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#2011869 Red Wings Making Play for Modano

Posted by Opie on 07 July 2010 - 10:41 AM

A top pairing defenceman (in Colorado) and a current 3rd pairing defenceman in Detroit and going forward, a 2nd pairing on this team. Holland doesn't like the look of our depth on defence, well imagine a 3rd pairing of Quincey and Ericsson and having Kindl as our 7th. Brilliant. So keeping Chelios was a mistake, whether you like to admit it or not. He was a mentor fine, but get him on the associate coaches staff to perform that role. On the ice he waa regularly a healthy scratch.

I do agree with most of this, but how about giving Ritola a full season to accurately measure if he's got solid 3rd line NHL potential before throwing him under a bus for 12 months of Modano? I hope you're right, I hope we trade Miller, keep Ritola as a 13/14th forward, but I'm not sure.

The Wings brass loves these golden oldies, guys who have achieved so much and want that last little bit more. How successful has it been? In recent years for Chelios at the expense of Quincey, and even the most biased Wings fans could see it wasn't worth it. We're about to repeat it, this time Modano for Ritola.

I am sorry I read the bolded part and forgot everything else you said, how successful has it been?

Where should I start, the last four years alone include 1 WCF, 2 SCF, 1 SC, and beyond that one of the most successful franchises in the history of the modern sports era.

That is how successful it has been. Players are willing to come to, or stay in Detroit for less money than they would anywhere else. This is the best franchise in sports for the last 20 years, 4 cups.

Again Quincey does not crack the top 4 in Detroit, and as a bottom pairing guy seeing 10-15 minutes a night as opposed to the 20 he saw in LA or COL his numbers drop dramatically.

When Lids retires, Holland signs another top 2 D-man, which Quincey is not, thus moving him down the list, he does not have the physical side to replace a Kronwall or Stuart. Maybe he could replace Ralf, but that would be a weak top 2, and the PP would suffer IMO.

#2011844 Red Wings Making Play for Modano

Posted by Opie on 07 July 2010 - 10:20 AM

He'll be traded before opening night! We're not going to carry 15 forwards. And yes, he would be claimed off waivers. Young, hard working skillful forward, on a dirt cheap THREE year contract.

Laughable that you'd want one year of Modano over say, 5+ years of Ritola. He's hardly an unknown btw, we did sign him for 3 years, obviously rate him. Taking that known commodity in Chelios over Quincey worked a treat didn't it. :thumbup:

I am sorry how many cups did Quincey help the Wings win?

Cheli was a mentor as well as D-man.

And what exactly did the Wings lose in Quincey?

The Wings top 4 is solid, Quincey breaking into it would have taken an act of congress or a complete falling apart by Stuart or Kronwall.

Then look at his salary, how would the Wings have kept him with out sacrificing depth.

In order to keep Quincey the Wings would have to lose Kronwall or Flip.

Besides IF Modano is signed the Wings could easily trade the very affordable contract that they just gave Miller. Ritola could be the scratch, as Meech could also be traded.

And how do you know it is 5+ years of Ritola, bigger names have hit the NHL and busted, lesser names have hit the NHL and been huge stars, the odds are Ritola is some where in between and is an ok to decent 3rd liner, which in a year the Wings will have an abundance of that.

So Modano this year, Mursak next year, Tatar the year after, still with Abby, and Helm and you also want to keep Eaves and Miller, Plus Cleary, Bert, that is an awful lot of 3rd 4th line guys for him to compete with.

Maybe just maybe the Wings front office knows more about the situation than either or I, maybe just maybe.

And it is not that I want 1 year of Modano over 5 years of Ritola, it is that I want the proven over the crapshoot. Ritola may not even be in the league in 5 years.

#2011804 Red Wings Making Play for Modano

Posted by Opie on 07 July 2010 - 09:15 AM

This isn't a team with no prospects in the system.
Eaves is not a long term Wing, Tatar will be ready next season and Mursak just to name a few, what do you do then.
Eaves and Miller, and Modano for that matter, are not going to be long term wings. Nothing says Ritola is gone but if he is how is he any less of a gamble than Modano on the third line.

Because Ritola has proven what in the NHL?

Modano is still a .5 ppg player.

Forward depth is a good thing, very good thing in today's NHL.

I agree 1.5 is a lot for Modano, but what are the odds he produces more than or the same as Bert?

#2011795 Red Wings Making Play for Modano

Posted by Opie on 07 July 2010 - 09:02 AM

UK do you know what I read from your posts right now!
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#2011792 How much production do you expect from Hudler?

Posted by Opie on 07 July 2010 - 08:58 AM

I put 40-50 because I think there will be an adjustment to the size of the ice surface.

I also think Hudler will feel a need to prove himself, to prove that he is still a Red Wing.

Not saying I feel he does, because I have no problem with him spending the year in the KHL, it was the only way he was not wearing another uni in the NHL.

I don't think he will jump right in and start scoring tons.

He will have new linemates which also takes an adjustment period.

I think next year is the year he puts up his best season in the NHL.

EDIT: Also the Wings are not the same team that he put up 57 points on, he will be relied on, counted on to score. Dan CLeary is not what he was 2 seasons ago (injuries or whatever facts are facts) Flip is better but I don't think they will be on the same line, though I think they should.

#2011141 Shane Hnidy

Posted by Opie on 06 July 2010 - 12:44 PM

Probably the top guy on my list of wants for the D in Det.

#2008671 Free Agency Thread

Posted by Opie on 01 July 2010 - 07:01 PM

Stuart never gets the recognition he deserves on this team. He has been incredibly solid since we signed him

Whatever we disagree with on other topics this will always be one of my favorite post you have ever made, I refrain from making this statement here because usually people point out one or two bad plays. It is like after losing to ANA in the WCF and making a compliment about Lilja, you got hosed for it!

Stuart has been imo one of KH's best acquisitions, without a doubt!

#2007638 Parents sue because kids suck at hockey

Posted by Opie on 01 July 2010 - 08:56 AM

Really, really, your kid gets cut and you call a lawyer, this is a direct result of the "Everyone gets a trophy" society we live in now.

Guess what folks, the world is not fair, ask the millions of people without jobs, and the ones who can't get jobs because employers are seeking "People Currently Employed"

Friggin' stupid parents, teach your kid to buck up and deal with it, eventually he will need to learn that lesson, and when he does, oh boy will it hurt.

They hurt poor Daniel's dignity, boo friggin' hoo

They were talking about this on the radio this morning... this is just sickening and I hope the judge not only throws this out, but fines the parents for wasting the courts time and makes an example out of them - THIS IS WHAT'S WRONG WITH THE WORLD

If you don't make a team, use it as motivation, train harder, practice longer and make the team next time... nothing in life should be handed to you, it should be EARNED.

One of the most famous stories in sports is how at age 14/15 Micheal Jordan got cut from his high school basketball team, he used it to become the best of his era, and if I compared generations maybe the best of all time!

#2006820 Savard to waive no trade clause

Posted by Opie on 29 June 2010 - 07:22 PM

Drake whom are you refering to?

You would put Hudler in the top 6 over Savard? Or Homer? (he is only useful there) or Mule?

I won't bother making lines, but since it has been stated that Z and D will be paired together, most likely with Homer.

That puts Flip, Mule and Savard, or I suppose Hud Mule Savard if you like.

And a third line of Bert Abby/Flip Huds/Cleary something along those lines. I would rather have Flip in the top 6 than Hudler, myself.

Instead you would rather have Hudler in the top six and Savard centering the third line? (this was what my comment was based on, Eva wanting Savard to center the third line)

Edit: Since after all the premise of my post was that Savard would (He won't be so the point is moot) be a Wing next season, and I am not sure but the 4th not third line is the checking line IMO, the third line especially in Det is a scoring line.

#2006746 Savard to waive no trade clause

Posted by Opie on 29 June 2010 - 03:59 PM

NO but the only way your boy Huds makes one of the top two lines is if Dats and Hank are not reunited, so you keep making lines with Huds on one of the top 2 lines, thus demoting a clear second line center to the 3rd line.

#2003872 Bufyglien traded to Thrashers

Posted by Opie on 24 June 2010 - 10:00 AM

Fraser who was do an increase on your roster is now gone, 700k freed up, but yet another player they need to fill their roster spot.

Also if the Wings 3rd and 4th lines looked like that as well as the 3rd pairing most of this board would s*** their collective pants, juicy, runny, smelly, hungover mudbutt s***s at that!

#2002611 Holland Looking to sign an Enforcer

Posted by Opie on 22 June 2010 - 01:35 PM

Every team in the league would take a team like the 97 Wings, however with a Salary cap that is damn near impossible, guys that play like Vladdy or Shanny in their primes would cost a fortune so you can not afford Fetisov, Kozlov, Fedorov, Yzerman etc... all under the same cap. Unless they all take massive hometown discounts.

#1995987 Great or Bust?

Posted by Opie on 07 June 2010 - 06:50 PM

umm since when is one season enough time to say if a player will be great or a bust, what if he turns out to be just a decent hockey player, or average or slightly below average?

#1990015 Final Draft Rankings

Posted by Opie on 26 May 2010 - 02:19 PM

I love how people complain about the Wings drafting/scouting/Free Agent process when this is the most successful org in any sport in the last 20 + years.

How is it again that we as Wings fans get labeled spoiled all the time?

#1989358 Steve Yzerman named TB's new GM

Posted by Opie on 25 May 2010 - 08:54 AM

I got a say, big mistake if they make him the highest paid GM in the league.

I love guy and he did great things for the Canadian team, however in the Olympics he doesn't have to worry about competing offers, and players asking for more money or handing out NMCs.

Good luck Stevie, this is only a training stint until you come back to Det!