Hairy Lime

I don't know if they're a Cup contender even if they sign Parise and Suter. As for Semin, I actually think he's a better fit for this team, as well as a whole lot cheaper. I think we would be crazy to pay Parise the kind of money that I am hearing that some other teams have offered him. He scores goals, but he is not pure goal-scorer - and he looked like crap in the Finals! Semin isn't a pure goal-scorer, either, but he's a right-handed shot, and that is something this team can use.

But we really need Suter.

Parise is becoming more annoying than Lebron.

I just heard from a Boston pal that there is talk down there of the Bruins possibly moving Lucic, don't know how much truth to it? BUT... Abdelkader + Franzen? Well, I can dream, can't I. I don't expect many changes. I'm sure Holland STILL likes the team that he has. Do you think someone has told him that Detroit has been eliminated, because I'm not even sure he watches the games.

Ok Here are my If's. Lids signs for 3.5. We sign Parise for 6.0.  We sign Doan for 4.5. Finally we trade Franzen and cleary and a first to Colombus for Nash. which is 7.8 in, with 6.4 going out.  Obiviously we dont sign Hudler or Stuart.  Maybe pick up one tough guy(fighter) early and a depth defenceman at the trade deadline.


My question is could you live with Lids, kronwall, Erickson, Quincy, White, Smith?  Kindl and Janik being the seventh and eighth until the Deadline?
Would the team be tough enough?  I just don't see defence being what the problem was.

And while we're at it, why not ship Abdelakder to Tampa for Stamkos, Bertuzzi to Boston for Lucic, and Homer to Philly for Giroux!  

Listen, I want to dump Franzen and Cleary as much as the next guy -hell, I wanted to try and dump them both at the trade deadline- but you're putting way too much value on them. Sure, Columbus MIGHT take Franzen, if you included Smith +  Helm or Nyguist in the deal. And even then, I'm not sure, Columbus being a division rival.

As for a fighter, you're preachin' to the choir. I wanted Holland to try and trade for Chris Neil back in '09, sign Asham in '10 AND '11, along with Konopka. But Holland, unfortunately, is a pacifist when it comes to fighting in hockey or protecting your players. I still don't know who convinced him to sigh sign Downey back in '08 or May in '10? Maybe it was the fact that Detroit's players were made other team's ******* in '07 and '09? Anyways, don't hold your breath.

This was last thing Shanny wanted to deal with so soon after the Weber/Zetterberg incident. Hey, Boyle wasn't injured? $2500 fine? You set the precedent, Shanny. I will be interested to see Shanny's decision and explanation.

Hank initiated it.  Yeah, Weber did not need to slam his head into the glass, but I doubt he'll be suspended. Bert had a chance to do something, but did not. Maybe he didn't see the play, but I doubt he would of done anything even if he had. This team is neutered. But there is next game. Let's see how this team responds. Here's my bet: nobody on Detroit get's in Weber's face. That's easy money!

Can anyone tell me why Stallberg wasnt crumpled after hitting Howard after the whistle?

Because Kenny Holland does not believe in that kind of hockey. Be grateful that this team even hits at all. I'm surprised Kronwall hasn't been traded yet. How can Kenny stand it?

Love Torts. I wish we had a coach like that, but Holland would never allow it, because he actually demands physical play from his team.

I think Q is full of s*** and he does not deserve so much atention, I'm mad becouse Shany should give him a 10 games not 1. Kindl is 100% better than QQQQ

They both suck, imo. The more I see of Quincey, the more I'm reminded of why I hated the guy when he was here the first time around. He's a step up from Kindl, no question about that, but still not worth a 1st rounder. If Yzerman was doing us favors, Holland should of used that 1st round pick to try and swing a deal for Purcell, to give Detroit a good right-handed shot on the PP.

I hope that '12-0 Rangers' is not being too pessimistic?? No, I'm just kidding. The Wings are actually going to win tonight, believe it or not. How do I know this? Because I say so! 5-2 Wings.

Penalty on the Devils Ryan Carter a 5 Minute Major for Fighting. Penalty on the Devils Cam Janssen a 5 Minute Major for Fighting. Penalty on the Devils Eric Boulton a 5 Minute Major for Fighting.

Penalty on the Rangers Stu Bickel a 5 Minute Major for Fighting. Penalty on the Rangers Brandon Prust a 5 Minute Major for Fighting. Penalty on the Rangers Mike Rupp a 5 Minute Major for Fighting. Penalty on the Rangers Stu Bickel a 10 Minute Misconduct.


Time of the penalties, 3 seconds...

Ah, rivalries. Remember those? Now Detroit is the "most liked team in the NHL". Congratulations, Kenny, the team of your dreams. It's so great to be liked - - - Too bad they won't win this way.

We can't just go get more speed and size, Gaustad or Moen, or 3 top 3 draft picks (like the pens had).  These things aren't free.  He's not avoiding them, I'm certain he's aware of them, but we just don't have the resources to get them.  After 10 or so years of beating the odds in a system where teams that stay at the top accumulate a disparity of resources, it's hard to muster up the assets to get these things, without tanking completely (like the NHL wants us to).

Holland's view towards rugged players has always been interesting.  Besides the obvious reasons for these things, I really think he has taken a less than pragmatic approach about it.  I think he looks at the rules and thinks, those players shouldn't be necessary anymore.  He's right, but that's not the way it happens on the ice.  The enforcement hasn't caught up with the legislation yet.

Well, there were players to be had. Matt Martin & Arron Asham to name a couple. And there were rumor that Dave Clarkson was to be had at the right price. And I don't think it's a matter of of having an enforcer, more of it's an issue of lack of accountability or having players that can, if called upon, play that mean, dirty style of hockey that you really need to win in this league. Abdelkader can't and Bertuzzi won't. And the rest of the team is either soft or not the players you really want to play that style of hockey. Bowman's Wings this team is not.

Being as that Holland as built 4 cars that have won championships in the last 15 years, and playoff teams the last 20 years, I will be happy to back the cars he builds.

You see, this is the problem: Too many naive fans give Holland WAY too much credit. He actually deserves very little. He's an overrated, pretty incompetent GM, if you ask me. Tell me why he deserves so much credit? Because he was able to fleece other teams in the pre-cap era, and even then his trades were hit and miss. Maybe because he inherited a Scotty Bowman coached team and promptly reaped the benefits..and glory. Ken Holland has done very little for this team, but they win so he gets a lot of the credit. The good decisions he makes are ones any competent GM would make, but the bad ones, and there are many, he gets a pass on.


The big problem with Holland, besides his insistence on turning the NHL into a no-contact sport, is that he was a goalie; he has no real understanding of what it takes to win a physical sport. After Bowman retired and he was eventually able to get his loyal lap dog(Mike Babcock) in place, he promptly started to reshape the Red Wings in his image --- soft! The only reason we saw the acquisitions of Drake and Downey in '08 was because of all the negative reaction and feedback from fans of the season before. Remember that team? Possibly the softest team I have ever seen in my life.

This team has a ton of skill, but no heart or grit. That will not get it done in the NHL. Our coach is also an overrated buffoon, but boy do fans love him. I don't understand it? It's easy to with a talented team when they are healthy, but a coaches true worth is measured in how he handles adversity. We have all seen how Mike Babcock handles adversity, haven't we?

McCarty's take on the hit:

Darren McCarty ‏ @D_Mac25  Reply  Retweet  Favorite · Open
Saw the hit. Rubbin is racin. He got Kronwalled! Hope the kid's ok. Learn to keep that head up. A centermen shouldn't try to play wing.

Most fans today don't know who Darren McCarty is. They think the Red Wings have always been soft.

Has the author ever been in a hockey fight? It's a bit more difficult than he believes.

I don't know about the author, but I have been in my share of fights both on and off the ice, and if you can handle yourself off the ice, it will bode well for you on the ice. You see, I don't think Justin has been in many fights off the ice(and if you're a good, law-abiding citizen, that's a good thing), because his defensive skills and patience are terrible. Put your off-arm straight out, leave your throwing arm loose and at your side, and wait for your opening. And in a hockey fight, it's always best to let your opponent make the first move, assuming you know what you're doing. Justin doesn't, and the fight is usually over before it even begins. He does not have a good fighting stance, and he definitely has no patience. Also, lose the shield! Tough guys don't wear shields!

Now, I'm not saying Abby should go out to some bar and pick a few fights with some Hell's Angels, but he should at least watch some old Joey Kocur fights, and watch what he does. Or better yet, ask Joe to give him some tips. He's sometimes around. Joe was a guy who knew how to end a fight quickly.  Justin will NEVER be in Kocur's league, but he can become a better fighter. Hell, he can't be much worse. I respect him for trying, but he can't keep getting his ass kicked. He's a tough kid and he can take a punch(or 10), but he must improve his whole game or just not fight at all.