Posted by chances14
on 25 September 2014 - 06:25 PM
I love fighting. I like the spectacle. I love that extra dimension it gives to the sport. It's truly unique. I wish the instigator rule was not in place. I loved when their was a heavy weight matchup of Probert v. Domi, and seeing who was going to win the belt from the other. I loved that if anyone touched Yzerman Probie would immediately turn into the hulk and smash their face in, no matter what the consequences were for himself. I loved when McCarty turtled Lemieux, because I literally wanted vengeance and blood for what he did to Draper.
But here's why I think your argument stinks Frank. Everyone who I know that is pro-fighting (including myself) whines about how - since the instigator rule - the enforcers ability to protect and scare off the rats is almost completely diminished. Fighting USED to protect stars to an EXTENT, but not anymore, and that's what pisses off pro-fighting advocates and why everyone calls for the repeal of the instigator penalty.
So please, don't act like having McMeatbag on the fourth line/bench is going to protect Datsyuk. All that guy can do is instigate a revenge fight at a later time. And Scuderi can easily just say no at that time, and then we have another possible Bertuzzi-Moore situation on our hands.
If you want the culture of protective fighting you have to:
1) repeal the instigator rule
2) find a guy who can drop the gloves AND play top line minutes
3) time-travel back to the 1980s
Fighting these days is used to possibly change the mood of a game and/or to seek vengeance. And it puts fans like you and I in the stands. That's it.
agreed. i love fighting as much as the next guy but the reality is that in today's game, it serves no purpose other than to entertain the fans
Posted by chances14
on 25 September 2014 - 01:51 PM
Because many of them know they can hide behind the refs. And I dont necessarily mean the instigating rule -I mean literally hide behind the refs, and the NHL will let them. For what reason? To clean up its act...??
If McGrattan played for our team, Scuderi would have hit someone like Miller or Cleary instead.
At least I would, in his position.
lol. and you know this how? there have been so many instances of players taking runs at star players on pertty much every team that this notion is laughable.
enforcers do not deter players from taking cheapshots anymore thanks in large part to how the nhl has changed the rules
Remember in 2008, when lapeirre took a run at lidstrom and injured him. downey was in the lineup but that didnt stop him from going after lidstrom
or how about kronwall this past season when mcleod boarded him right next to tootoo.
Yes, and this is because the league will protect the dirty players. Scrap the instigator rule and leave the policing to the players. If a guy is willing to face the music after running a star then so be it, I agree there's no stopping them, but at least dont protect these clowns. Let there be another Lemieux beatdown. I bet more than a few players would think twice and even change their game. Frankly, it cannot get worse than the current state.
it's hilarious to think by today's standards that mccarty only got a 5 min major for fighting after that beatdown. If he did that today, he would probably be gone for the year
Well, while it's mind boggling that he got re-signed at all, let alone for $1.5 million and a $1 million bonus, it doesn't really matter. Since they're not going to use up the cap space, they could've given him $10 million and it wouldn't have affected anything but Mr. Ilitch's pocketbook.
The team has struggled for a few years, but I don't remember the Wings ever taking such a beating in the eyes of the media and general public. Utterly pointless signing. And the fact that it's for so much money and it's one way doesn't make sense to me. If this were pure loyalty, it would've been under a million and two way.
Cleary is here to actually play in the NHL, guys. Good lord.
We should start a drinking game. Every time Cleary falls down without being pushed or touched, we take a drink.
the money isn't an issue. it's a roster spot and the reason why he was signed that people should have an issue with
But in the end, old guys were benched for the kids. It didn't start well, but in the end the best players did play. If it continues to be that way, this isn't a big deal.
it is a big deal. not having nyquist last season cost the wings points in the standings early on. that could have been the difference between playing against boston or against a more favorable team like the penguins come playoff time. every single point matters
I think it would lighten the mood in the locker room if they had a team/teammates that they could be proud of and have confidence in.
I don't understand telling Alfie (who was actually pretty good last year, and actually has great leadership) he has to wait and see if he's healthy enough to play, but Cleary, who can barely stand up (and even if he could is totally useless anyway) gets a pass.
from what i've read it was alfie that said he wanted to wait to see how his back feels before deciding if he wants to play
...not unless there is a trade to be had, but hell, even Buffalo and Florida are getting better...
Kenny, nobody cares that its Detroit, Original 6, Storied Franchise, Rich History...they aren't going to come here for less money and they aren't going to come here to lose. You failed this team over and over and over again. You failed these fans...you haven't won crap without a Scotty Bowman influenced team...Even Lidstrom recognized this and left us...
Holland needs to step up NOW and tell Niskanen...$8M, 7 years...let's do this! And show the entire NHL that he is serious about making this city THE only logical choice for UFA's... I feel so bad for Datsyuk....Zetterberg should ask for a trade. He will rot here for the rest of his contract if he doesn't get out now...
and yet holland did offer boyle and ehrhoff better contracts, yet they still went somewhere else.
panicking and massively overpaying for niskanen would be a huge mistake. i say roll with the kids and see what happens at this point