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#2537315 Datsyuk 2nd degree separated shoulder injury - out approx 4 weeks

Posted by chances14 on 25 September 2014 - 06:25 PM

 

I love fighting. I like the spectacle. I love that extra dimension it gives to the sport. It's truly unique. I wish the instigator rule was not in place. I loved when their was a heavy weight matchup of Probert v. Domi, and seeing who was going to win the belt from the other. I loved that if anyone touched Yzerman Probie would immediately turn into the hulk and smash their face in, no matter what the consequences were for himself. I loved when McCarty turtled Lemieux, because I literally wanted vengeance and blood for what he did to Draper.

 

But here's why I think your argument stinks Frank. Everyone who I know that is pro-fighting (including myself) whines about how - since the instigator rule - the enforcers ability to protect and scare off the rats is almost completely diminished. Fighting USED to protect stars to an EXTENT, but not anymore, and that's what pisses off pro-fighting advocates and why everyone calls for the repeal of the instigator penalty.

 

So please, don't act like having McMeatbag on the fourth line/bench is going to protect Datsyuk. All that guy can do is instigate a revenge fight at a later time. And Scuderi can easily just say no at that time, and then we have another possible Bertuzzi-Moore situation on our hands.

 

If you want the culture of protective fighting you have to:

 

1) repeal the instigator rule

2) find a guy who can drop the gloves AND play top line minutes

or

3) time-travel back to the 1980s

 

Fighting these days is used to possibly change the mood of a game and/or to seek vengeance. And it puts fans like you and I in the stands. That's it.

agreed. i love fighting as much as the next guy but the reality is that in today's game, it serves no purpose other than to entertain the fans




#2537284 Datsyuk 2nd degree separated shoulder injury - out approx 4 weeks

Posted by chances14 on 25 September 2014 - 01:51 PM

Because many of them know they can hide behind the refs. And I dont necessarily mean the instigating rule -I mean literally hide behind the refs, and the NHL will let them. For what reason? To clean up its act...??

 

agreed.

If McGrattan played for our team, Scuderi would have hit someone like Miller or Cleary instead.

 

At least I would, in his position.  

lol. and you know this how? there have been so many instances of players taking runs at star players on pertty much every team that this notion is laughable.

 

enforcers do not deter players from taking cheapshots anymore thanks in large part to how the nhl has changed the rules

 

Remember in 2008, when lapeirre took a run at lidstrom and injured him. downey was in the lineup but that didnt stop him from going after lidstrom

 

or how about kronwall this past season when mcleod boarded him right next to tootoo.


Yes, and this is because the league will protect the dirty players. Scrap the instigator rule and leave the policing to the players. If a guy is willing to face the music after running a star then so be it, I agree there's no stopping them, but at least dont protect these clowns. Let there be another Lemieux beatdown. I bet more than a few players would think twice and even change their game. Frankly, it cannot get worse than the current state.

it's hilarious to think by today's standards that mccarty only got a 5 min major for fighting after that beatdown. If he did that today, he would probably be gone for the year




#2537244 Datsyuk 2nd degree separated shoulder injury - out approx 4 weeks

Posted by chances14 on 24 September 2014 - 10:08 PM

you can have all the enforcers you want, the fact of the matter is they do not deter players taking runs at your star players anymore.




#2537155 Datsyuk 2nd degree separated shoulder injury - out approx 4 weeks

Posted by chances14 on 24 September 2014 - 11:41 AM

Well there are players that can, but I'm not talking about about them-- they would be too hard to get. There are however players that can substitute Pav for a week or two, while a minor injury heals.

the wings have enough talented young guys to fill the void for a week or two. they did it last year for essentially half the season




#2536860 9/22/14 7:00 PM. Preseason GDT - DET 2 @ PIT 1

Posted by chances14 on 22 September 2014 - 07:29 PM

pens announcers never cease to amaze me at how awful they are year in and year out. jumping to conclusions on a hit before even seeing a replay, which btw showed that the pens player lost his balance




#2531382 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by chances14 on 10 July 2014 - 09:18 PM

Well, while it's mind boggling that he got re-signed at all, let alone for $1.5 million and a $1 million bonus, it doesn't really matter.  Since they're not going to use up the cap space, they could've given him $10 million and it wouldn't have affected anything but Mr. Ilitch's pocketbook.

 

The team has struggled for a few years, but I don't remember the Wings ever taking such a beating in the eyes of the media and general public. Utterly pointless signing.  And the fact that it's for so much money and it's one way doesn't make sense to me.  If this were pure loyalty, it would've been under a million and two way. 

 

Cleary is here to actually play in the NHL, guys.  Good lord.


 

We should start a drinking game.  Every time Cleary falls down without being pushed or touched, we take a drink.

 

the money isn't an issue. it's a roster spot and the reason why he was signed that people should have an issue with




#2531332 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by chances14 on 10 July 2014 - 07:35 PM

 

But in the end, old guys were benched for the kids. It didn't start well, but in the end the best players did play. If it continues to be that way, this isn't a big deal.

it is a big deal. not having nyquist last season cost the wings points in the standings early on. that could have been the difference between playing against boston or against a more favorable team like the penguins come playoff time. every single point matters




#2531298 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by chances14 on 10 July 2014 - 06:49 PM

I think it would lighten the mood in the locker room if they had a team/teammates that they could be proud of and have confidence in.

 

I don't understand telling Alfie (who was actually pretty good last year, and actually has great leadership) he has to wait and see if he's healthy enough to play, but Cleary, who can barely stand up (and even if he could is totally useless anyway) gets a pass.

from what i've read it was alfie that said he wanted to wait to see how his back feels before deciding if he wants to play




#2531113 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by chances14 on 10 July 2014 - 03:54 PM

 

He's most likely gonna end up hurt or benched. Not the end of the world. I don't like it, but it's not like it's a multi year deal.

one game of cleary on the roster is one game less that a deserving prospect is going to get. this is an inexcusable signing




#2530869 Kane & Toews Sign Identical 8-year, $10.5M AAV Extensions

Posted by chances14 on 09 July 2014 - 03:27 PM

the fact they didn't take hometown discounts bodes well for the rest of the league




#2530626 Red Wings Target Mike Green

Posted by chances14 on 08 July 2014 - 02:23 PM

Again, you wouldn't give up Tatar but you would be completely okay with giving up Jurco in a trade such as this?...

 

Neither would be going the other way in this trade anyway... I would expect a mid level roster player or mid level prospect and a draft pick.

nah, i think you're going to have to give up one good cheap young player to get this deal done

 

something like tatar, andersson, and 2nd

 

holland might have some leverage here with the capitals close to the cap limit and green having only 1 year left on his deal. green has a modified no trade clause as well




#2528611 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by chances14 on 01 July 2014 - 04:07 PM

Worst...Day....Ever

nope. suter debacle was way worse




#2528245 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by chances14 on 01 July 2014 - 01:54 PM

...not unless there is a trade to be had, but hell, even Buffalo and Florida are getting better...

 

 

Kenny, nobody cares that its Detroit, Original 6, Storied Franchise, Rich History...they aren't going to come here for less money and they aren't going to come here to lose.  You failed this team over and over and over again. You failed these fans...you haven't won crap without a Scotty Bowman influenced team...Even Lidstrom recognized this and left us...

 

 

Holland needs to step up NOW and tell Niskanen...$8M, 7 years...let's do this! And show the entire NHL that he is serious about making this city THE only logical choice for UFA's... I feel so bad for Datsyuk....Zetterberg should ask for a trade.  He will rot here for the rest of his contract if he doesn't get out now...

and yet holland did offer boyle and ehrhoff better contracts, yet they still went somewhere else.

 

panicking and massively overpaying for niskanen would be a huge mistake. i say roll with the kids and see what happens at this point




#2527372 UFA day looking up

Posted by chances14 on 30 June 2014 - 07:48 PM

Chris Nichols @NicholsOnHockey 15s

McKenzie: Ehrhoff probably five-year range, $5 million per. Looking for chance to win. Mentions #NHLDucks, #TBLightning, #Pens, #RedWings




#2527370 UFA day looking up

Posted by chances14 on 30 June 2014 - 07:45 PM

Chris Nichols @NicholsOnHockey 29s

Dreger: Dan Boyle's list is down to #NYR, #TBLightning, #Leafs, #Habs, #RedWings. He wants a two-year deal.