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#2319219 Red Wings Rebuilding and Adapting to Maintain Dominance

Posted by MrBest7 on 15 July 2012 - 02:00 AM

Red Wings Rebuilding and Adapting to Maintain Dominance

The Detroit Red Wings have been in a rebuilding phase since Brian Rafalski hurt his knee and retired. But with Brad Stuart and Nick Lidstrom gone, this sends the Red Wing organization into a much deeper rebuilding process. We are the victim of our own success. The Wings were so dominate for so long that fans around the country figured who ever won the Detroit/Colorado series would become the Cup Champion. The Eastern Conference could only hope the two teams would beat each other up to have a chance. But not even the mighty Avalanche could keep up with the Red Wings. As a result the NHL introduced a policy of parity among teams. That’s why I laugh at all the knuckleheads on this forum who attack Kenny Holland and the Red Wing management. These are the same people who forced the NHL to change the rules toward parity.

The Wings not only dominated the ice with leadership and skill, but their marketing dominated even the NHL front office through its Hockeytown campaign. They redefined the game with the left wing lock and a specialized system which was unique to the league. The Wings dominated with an active owner willing to commit the resources for developing talent and building morale. The Wings dominated in attendance and fan base around the league. But the biggest domination has been in the draft and evaluating talent. It really would have been scary if 11th round pick Vladimir Konstantinov played a full career alongside Nick Lidstrom.

Kris Draper for a dollar from Winnipeg!
Kirk Maltby a trade with Edmonton in '95 for defenseman Dan McGillis! WHO IS DAN McGILLIS!!!!
Vladimir Konstantinov 1989: 11th round, (221st overall)
Sergei Fedorov 1989 - 4th round (74th overall)
Keith Primeau to Hartford for Brendan Shanahan!
Nick Lidstrom 1989 - 3rd round (53rd overall)
Slava Kozlov 1990 - 2nd round (45th overall)
Bob Probert 1983 - 3rd (46th overall)
Joe Kocur 1983 - 5th Round, (88th overall)
Johan Franzen 2004 - 3rd round (97th overall)
Darren Helm 2005 - 5th round (132nd overall)
Pavel Datsyuk1998 - 6th round (171st overall)
Valtteri Filppula 2002 - 3rd round (95th overall)
Tomas Holmstrom 1994 - 10th round (257th overall)
Henrik Zetterberg 1999 - 7th round (210th overall)
Jonathan Ericsson 2002 - 9th Round, (291st overall)
Chris Osgood 1991 - 3rd round (54th overall)
Jimmy Howard 2003 - 2nd Rnd, (64th overall)

This proves the Wings didn’t just throw money at players! They built a dominating franchise in all phases in the sport!


As Red Wing fans we need to accept this transition of rebuilding and not demand trades for overpriced forwards like Rick Nash ($7.8 annually). Don’t trade the youth… develop the youth! The NHL has changed the rules, now we need to adapt and dominate like we have in the past.

The following list of Red Wing youth all have a tremendous chance to contribute to the organization.

Brendan Smith D

Damien Brunner LW

Riley Sheahan C http:// www.youtube.com/watch?v=PET_AGhPCg0

Petr Mrazek G http:// www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TVpMrFNzOYTomas Jurco RW http: //www.youtube.com/watch?v=biPsk6n2q5g

Teemu Pulkkinen RW http: //www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzfGZwoiGjU

Gustav Nyquist LW http: //www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGuCbnHiy3o

Tomas Tartar LW http: //www.youtube.com/watch?v=OivN-x05v24

Calle Jarnkrok C http: //youtu.be/pJrqdY4HDDg

Ryan Sproul D http: //www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fil5eZGVyb0

Xavier Ouellet D http: //youtu.be/aMgjqcQzbp0

Landon Ferraro C http: //www.youtube.com/watch?v=20sz6_Aj4xc

Martin Frk http: //www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEQbMQLgZO0

#2318860 Poor Wayne Gretzky

Posted by stevkrause on 13 July 2012 - 06:59 AM

Igor's daughters are classy and refined. They are Dom Perignon and Gretzky's daughter is a box of white zinfandel.

and from my experience in my early 20's, let me tell you... those girls are a lot more fun, haha

#2318795 Poor Wayne Gretzky

Posted by stevkrause on 12 July 2012 - 09:10 PM

I'd rather be Gretzkty over the guy who owns Hilton Hotels.

Haha, yea, but that's like saying I'd rather be the guy who only got one leg chopped off instead of two... :lol:

#2315241 Holland comments on Suter & Parise going to Wild

Posted by Bring Back The Bruise Bros on 04 July 2012 - 08:28 PM

Every thread that has the names Parise and/or Suter in them should be locked, other than the original threads stating where they signed and the details of their contracts. Even after they've signed, about 470 new threads have been started about them.

#2315184 Holland comments on Suter & Parise going to Wild

Posted by Doc Holliday on 04 July 2012 - 07:18 PM

Say what you will about Holland's job the past couple years, but you can't fault him for what happened with Parise and Suter. He did just about everything he could to land Suter here.

#2313609 List of why Zach Parise and Ryan Suter should choose the Red Wings...

Posted by LeftWinger on 03 July 2012 - 01:13 PM

Here is the reason why Parise and Suter should sign with the Wings....and why the likes of Nash, Ryan, Semin will also love to be here:

and here is why they should not want to sign in Pit:

#2313379 List of why Zach Parise and Ryan Suter should choose the Red Wings...

Posted by Red Wings Addict on 03 July 2012 - 12:37 AM

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#2311996 Red Wings Sign Mikael Samuelsson to 2-yr, $6m deal (w/full NTC)

Posted by roboturner on 01 July 2012 - 05:16 PM

Thank God, I was begining to think we would be stuck with that Parise fella....

#2309517 Ken Holland

Posted by Buppy on 24 June 2012 - 03:28 PM

Well, if he lands Suter and Parise and we win the Cup, I think it will cement his legacy as a HoF GM. If he lands neither, and we miss the playoffs or exit early it will tarnish his image in the short term (unfairly), but long term he will still be remembered as one of the best.

Remember, he was also assistant GM for 3 years, and director of amatuer scouting for 7 before that. He played a significant role in building the team he "inherited". He's also made some big moves that people consider "failures" just because they didn't result in a Cup. Hossa, Hatcher, Clark/Samuelsson/Ranford, Cujo, Lang... He's also facing an uphill battle. We may need some big signing or trade, but that doesn't make doing it any easier. There's one real impact defenseman who might be available, and about 20 teams with the desire and ability to make a good offer for him. We have some assets to trade, but that doesn't mean any teams with the players we want will make those players available or be interested in what we can offer.

Fact is, if Red Wings fans judged other teams or GMs by the same standard Kenny has to live up to, they'd all be considered abject failures. We just lost the best defenseman of our generation, plus Stu, Rafi last year. Our stars are in their 30s. We haven't had any high draft picks during his tenure. We've dealt with the loss of stars and key roleplayers, like Konstantinov, Hasek, Yzerman, Hull, Fedorov, Robitaille, Shanahan, Chelios, Draper, Maltby, Osgood, Fischer, and more without needing to rebuild. And we are still talking about making moves to keep us a Cup contender rather than about rebuilding. That says alot more about Kenny than anything that might happen July 1st or afterward.

But if we don't make any big moves, and Kenny says, like last summer or the deadline, "We wanted to make some moves, but could find one that fit. But we like our team." everyone will just jump on the "we like our team" bit. As if all the best FAs offered to play here for free and every other GM offered to trade us their best players for our worst and Kenny turned them down. It's like half this board thinks the rest of the league has to get Kenny's permission before they can do anything, and the only reason we haven't done more already is because we didn't want to.

#2308285 NHL Awards

Posted by Hockeymom1960 on 20 June 2012 - 07:19 PM

Anyone watching? It's been about the most boring and awkward show I've seen. :sleepy:

#2308224 Darren Helm signs 4 year extension

Posted by VM1138 on 20 June 2012 - 09:20 AM

Untouchabe? That is a little much. Yes good checkers are always needed. But so are stars that can take your team to the promised land. A team of stars isn't going to get it done, nor is aa team fo checkers. But there are packages where helm could be moved. But we are talking about picking up stars. If the pens were to offer us Staal for helm and others, I would do it in a heartbeat. No, I am not saying we can do that, but as an example it mkes the point.

You yourself just said you need that balance. I can't think of many players in the league in similar roles as Helm who can keep up with him. It's not just his speed, he's run entire plays by himself. In pressure situation he almost always makes the right play, and he has been known to draw three players to him and still keep possession down behind the opponent's goal. You can't easily replace that. He's not just a checker. He's a premiere checker in my book. Untouchable.

#2308308 Forums Upgraded

Posted by Sycsa on 20 June 2012 - 08:20 PM

I'm going to miss people nagging about their posts getting negged.

#2308158 Darren Helm signs 4 year extension

Posted by VM1138 on 19 June 2012 - 10:03 PM

Things you know you will always get with Darren Helm:

1) Speed.
2) He will outwork anyone on the ice for either team.
3) He will kill penalties.
4) He will score the occasional goal.

Yes, 4 years for 2 million is a no-brainer for me. Helm has made himself untouchable on this team.

#2308119 Darren Helm signs 4 year extension

Posted by Doc Holliday on 19 June 2012 - 06:26 PM

What is the news on Quincey?

I cannot believe I got -7 on that first post...I didn't say anything negative except I wish the Cap hit was less...sheesh fickle fans!

Yeah, and I wish every player on the team signed for less than 4 million.

A 2 million dollar cap hit for a guy who will be entering his prime as an amazing bottom sixer is a good deal. Hell, you should be calling it as steal considering he makes half as much as Johan Franzen. :lol:

#2308033 Darren Helm signs 4 year extension

Posted by LeftWinger on 19 June 2012 - 11:27 AM

Honestly, I was hoping for a more of a $1.5M Cap hit, I know he is a solid player and is good at what he does, but I just don't think he earned a raise over twice what he was payed last season...I guess we will see in 4 years if he is outplaying this $2.1M. It's not that he isn't worth it, it's just needed cap space to make this team better... If Holland overpays Quincey, I will have an ulcer... I hope he keeps Abby at a modest pay...I am hoping for $1.1, but after this, I am seeing $1.8M... sorry guys, not being negative, it's just needed cap space, or maybe sign the big UFA's first and then pay your guys a bit of a inflated contract, thats all I am saying...of course after re-signing Bertuzzi at too much money, I should have seen this coming...

NO QUINCEY!!! NO HUDLER!!! Please God! Please Holland! PLEASE!!!!

EDIT: Also, do you now realize what it's going to take to re-sign Filppula? He will get at least $5M...that is the problem here, (and not just Holland) keep overpaying and the NHL will go belly up... I honestly see a point where the guys making $500,000 today will be at $2M within a couple of years...Hey Minny, go ahead a give Parise the world, ruin the NHL (again.)