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#2339681 Datsyuk @ KHL Skills Competition

Posted by stevkrause on 13 January 2013 - 12:23 AM

I've missed him...

#2333119 [Retired] Official Lockout Thread

Posted by Guest on 31 October 2012 - 12:37 PM

Ha, right. The players are the ones with the keys to the car. They're in control. Which is precisely why the league has locked them out from the ability to do their jobs twice in seven years, forcing hundreds of the better ones overseas, while the more average players sit on an absolute loss.

First, we need to understand that the idea of a 50/50 split is totally arbitrary. There is no logical reason that hockey related revenues have to be "equally" shared between players and owners, except that it's the type of logic that makes sense to 4-year-olds, or people who barely pay attention to hockey.

Real-life businesses don't work like that. Companies and management have the power. Say you are an attorney in a law firm and you bill $300 an hour. At the end of a 1900-hour year, you have generated $570,000 for the firm. Your salary is not $570,000. It may be $100,000, or something in that ballpark, but the revenue has to go to cover costs, pay for staff, benefits plans, etc. The attorney looks at that and says "Not fair! I'm only taking home 18% of what I generate for the firm!" But of course it isn't that simple.

Attorneys are very replaceable. There are thousands of law school graduates every year, and lateral hires available from other firms and other markets. But NHL-caliber hockey players are much more rare, and the differences between the really good ones and the really average ones are much more noticeable. Moreover, if you staffed most teams with all the same facilities and resources, but ONLY average players, demand for your product would dry up very quickly.

The 2005 CBA was a unequivocal win for the owners at that time, which became a net win for the players in the coming years due to the growth of the game and the owners own stupidity. The owners found every way possible to spend additional money beyond the CBA constraints they themselves negotiated to put in place. They circumvented the cap, buried NHL-level salaries in the minors, and paid out huge bonuses to front load deals well beyond the what the CBA appears to allow. And yet, teams like Minnesota, Detroit, Toronto, Pittsburgh, etc. can afford to do this and still operate. Teams like Nashville and Phoenix cannot.

The solution to this problem has nothing to do with what percentage of HRR the players take. Increasing the owners' share is just throwing good money after bad. The root cause of the problem is in the lack of revenue sharing to benefit the overall health of the league. That's an owner vs. owner issue, but since all the owners can seem to agree on is taking more money from the players, that's all we ever debate.

The root of the fiscal problems of the league is not "lack of revenue sharing"... that is putting the cart before the horse. The real problem:

1.The NHL needs a diverse geographical viewership in the US to land a big TV deal.

2. The NHL therefore put's expansion teams in warm climates.

3. Areas with warmer clients don't typically have a lot of naturally occurring ice.

4. Areas without naturally occurring ice generally don't give a crap about hockey.

In summation, the root cause of the financial problems in the NHL is the weather... and you can't fix the weather.

#2332472 [Retired] Official Lockout Thread

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 23 October 2012 - 09:30 AM

It'd be nice if Fehr and Bettman would get together and discuss these issues as much as we have in this thread.

#2332459 [Retired] Official Lockout Thread

Posted by Z Winged Dangler on 23 October 2012 - 07:46 AM

"(I'm) not sure there is any reason to meet if there is nothing new to say," deputy commissioner Bill Daly told The Canadian Press in an email. "Our position was communicated to the union pretty clearly last Tuesday and then again on Thursday.
"If they have a desire to meet with regard to the proposal we have on the table, they know how to reach us."

This really sounds like someone who gives a rats ass if there is even a season. The Chancellor has taught you well Darth Daly.... Keep standing firm with your 7 owners and default coyotes vote and feed the players and fans BS. About 75% to 25% of the fans seemingly are standing with the players, the one's who gave back 24% of their pay last time just for the owners and GM's to let things get out of control again cause their deal broke and the GM's found ways to overspend and exploit the very thing that Buttman and "most" of the owners wanted.

#2332479 What would your proposal be?

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 23 October 2012 - 10:39 AM

Max player contract of 1 million dollars per year.
Immediate reduction of ticket prices to $35-$50 maximum.
Corporate sponsorship is limited.
Ticket prices are frozen for the duration of the CBA.
No max contract length restrictions.

That way, noone can complain that the owners are making too much, and the contracts can't get out of hand. The players get to get rich, but not obscenely so. Win/win.

I think that would basically create another AHL.

#2332460 What would your proposal be?

Posted by Z Winged Dangler on 23 October 2012 - 07:57 AM

I'll jump on the 50/50 bandwagon, but here's the catch:

1. 50/50 effective immediately.
2. Cap is set accordingly with a rollback to get teams compliant with the cap and what 50% actually is.
3. "Make whole" is given a new meaning where contracts that are signed are honoured and essentially becomes a buyout of the amount that gets shaved off the players contract with the "rollback".

Example: If the cap goes down 12% and you have Datsyuk making $6.7 mil for the next 2 seasons for a total of 13.4 mil, his buyout of 12% to get to the 50/50 while honouring signed contracts is $1.608 mil, thus Datsyuk is "made whole"

The players are made whole on the contracts they signed for an exact dollar amount and "made whole". The "8 poor owners" get their 50/50 on the cap, but they learn a valuable lesson with throwing money around that they keep whining that they don't have.

#2332445 What would your proposal be?

Posted by number9 on 23 October 2012 - 01:47 AM

I propose a 50/50 split... 50% of the year the league plays hockey, and the other 50% of the year the league doesn't not play hockey. Simple. Revenue will be split 50/50 as well, half going to players and owners and the other half going to a fan fund. The fan fund will only be redeemable in beer.

Dare you to match that Bettman/Fehr

Always knew my BA in business would pay off

#2331741 [Retired] Official Lockout Thread

Posted by Z and D for the C on 16 October 2012 - 12:23 PM

This is great news today. Even if the PA doesn't accept this offer, it's a move far in the right direction.

#2331742 [Retired] Official Lockout Thread

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 16 October 2012 - 12:25 PM

That is nothing but good news. To me, that sounds like they're backing off their asinine requirements on ELC's and prevention of salary arbitration.

Fehr has called a conference call with the NHLPA's Negotiating Committee and the Executive Committee for 5PM ET.


It depends on what they're doing to HRR at the same time but this sounds like a very realistic offer from the NHL. Finally.

Details are sketchy but Dreger and McKenzie are making it sound like the players full contracts will be honored, it's just going to be paid out over longer time. Without that sort of protection by McKenzie's figuring the NHLPA is going to have to swallow an 11% decrease in salary.

And as you mention, hopefully the NHL has moved off its idiotic contract demands as well.

This sounds very promising.

#2331728 [Retired] Official Lockout Thread

Posted by Jedi on 16 October 2012 - 11:59 AM

Also, per Chris Johnston with the Canadian Press...

Gary Bettman says 82-game season could be played if puck dropped Nov. 2. Says league offered "50-50" share today.

Gary Bettman says compressed 82-game schedule starting Nov. 2 would see every team play an extra game every five weeks.

And finally, LeBrun...

League offer of 50/50 split would begin in Year 1. No phasing in

#2331503 Jordin Tootoo & Polar Bears

Posted by number9 on 13 October 2012 - 01:25 PM

I heard he uses menstruating women as bait....

#2331466 Jordin Tootoo & Polar Bears

Posted by FireCaptain on 12 October 2012 - 11:00 PM

Please oh please can the lockout end so that we can get back to hockey so that I don't have to hear about Jordin Tootoo's bear hunting desires?

#2331481 Sacrifice the full season to guarantee Bettman's removal?

Posted by 55fan on 13 October 2012 - 07:38 AM

I think we're going to lose it anyway. Might as well get something in return for it.

#2331217 Russians Possibly Staying In KHL After Lockout

Posted by esteef on 10 October 2012 - 03:11 PM

Z should be in politics, "I know for a fact the Russians will probably stay." :lol:


#2331214 Russians Possibly Staying In KHL After Lockout

Posted by PROBIE4PREZ on 10 October 2012 - 02:53 PM

Ovechkin staying in the KHL would be a big blow to the NHL. They have so few marketable personalities.

I disagree. I think they have TONS of marketable players, but they just chose the obvious ones. Think if Biznasty was marketed like OV. I think he has a better personality. I don't know why Russians come off as so selfish to me and seem egotistical.