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#2303824 Nick Lidstrom retires after 20 seasons

Posted by GoWings1905 on 30 May 2012 - 02:49 PM

I feel sick to my stomach.

I had a feeling Nick was done, but you never wanted to see the day actually arrive.


#2303502 Excellent 'Parise and Suter to Detroit' article

Posted by Doc Holliday on 28 May 2012 - 11:00 AM

Sad.


The only thing sad is your consistent attempt to bring out the doom and gloom about this team on this board.


#2303477 Excellent 'Parise and Suter to Detroit' article

Posted by centcougar07 on 28 May 2012 - 03:30 AM

1. The numbers: The numbers of all our 'core' or 'star' players (including Yzerman/Shanahan/Chelios/Hull/Hasek/ect.) are and have been falling in past years save for Zetterberg.
2. IMO, there are no prospects with real star potential to replace these guys that are getting older and watching their production fall. I think Datsyuk is the closest thing to that and even he could be a bust. And even if he makes something of himself, is it going to be Sergei Fedorov something? Not likely.
3. It all starts and stops with Yzerman for me. I think his retirement (be it this year or the next) is going to be the beginning of the end of our ten year run. It always seems to me that when Stevie goes, we go. He's the leader of this team without question and it's going to be hard to compensate for the loss of him.


Sad.


#2303457 Excellent 'Parise and Suter to Detroit' article

Posted by number9 on 27 May 2012 - 04:23 PM

First of all I think the long-term outlook of a team always matters to potential FA's. Second, there is reason to think it might be now.

1. The numbers: The numbers of all our 'core' or 'star' players are and have been falling in past years save for Filpulla.
2. IMO, there are no prospects with real star potential to replace these guys that are getting older and watching their production fall. I think Smith is the closest thing to that and even he could be a bust. And even if he makes something of himself, is it going to be Nik Lidstrom something? Not likely.
3. It all starts and stops with Lidstrom for me. I think his retirement (be it this year or the next) is going to be the beginning of the end of our twenty year run. It always seems to me that when Nik goes, we go. He's the leader of this team without question and it's going to be hard to compensate for the loss of him.


1. The numbers: The numbers of all our 'core' or 'star' players (including Yzerman/Shanahan/Chelios/Hull/Hasek/ect.) are and have been falling in past years save for Zetterberg.
2. IMO, there are no prospects with real star potential to replace these guys that are getting older and watching their production fall. I think Datsyuk is the closest thing to that and even he could be a bust. And even if he makes something of himself, is it going to be Sergei Fedorov something? Not likely.
3. It all starts and stops with Yzerman for me. I think his retirement (be it this year or the next) is going to be the beginning of the end of our ten year run. It always seems to me that when Stevie goes, we go. He's the leader of this team without question and it's going to be hard to compensate for the loss of him.


#2303236 If you could pick any 23 players in the NHL to start a franchise with

Posted by MabusIncarnate on 25 May 2012 - 04:37 PM

Datsyuk x23


#2303024 If you could pick any 23 players in the NHL to start a franchise with

Posted by Bannedforlife on 24 May 2012 - 01:36 PM

lol, come on. lot of size on that team. 4th line of lucic-getzlaf-perry is big and mean. all the wingers, aside from giroux, are big (malkin's the next smallest at 6-3 205). weber, suter, doughty, keith and even letang are all gritty on defense too.

I know its fun to imagine a team full of superstars, but can you imagine the egos in that dressing room?


#2303320 Excellent 'Parise and Suter to Detroit' article

Posted by Doc Holliday on 26 May 2012 - 12:52 AM

Gonna be honest I hate how he says "It's never about the money" and he still hasn't gone down to4-5 million. Or even 3. One of my favourite players ever, but for FCKS sakes, what the organization has done for you... take much less and win one more.


What makes you think he deserves to be low balled?

For f***s sake, the guy has earned twice his salary over his career. Don't get on him for not taking a ridiculous pay cut just because you want it.


#2303061 Excellent 'Parise and Suter to Detroit' article

Posted by centcougar07 on 24 May 2012 - 04:40 PM

Neither the Canadiens or Maple Leafs have a history of winning in recent memory. I thought it was incredibly obvious what I was referring to.

And I also never said that tradition meant they would be "flocking" here. I said it would give them an advantage over other teams.


What do you mean winning? We haven't got out of the second round of the playoffs in 3 years. I mean sure we've won in the regular season but recently, we haven't done much in the playoffs.

How does it give us an advantage?




#2303043 Excellent 'Parise and Suter to Detroit' article

Posted by centcougar07 on 24 May 2012 - 03:15 PM

20 mil what? A year?

And 7 million isn't such a discount. They are perhaps leaving a few million off the table to play together and for a team with a history of winning and a group of guys who know what it takes to win. You don't get that from many other clubs.


I'm sorry but having a "tradition of winning" isn't worth a velvet painting of a whale and a dolphin getting it on when the season starts. Everyone is 0-0. It tradition was a factor as you are trying to present, then every top FA would want to sign with Montreal or Toronto. It's a nice thought but I don't see how history would convince a FA to sign or not sign in the present. It's about the here and now and then the future, IMO.

http://www.detroitne...0354/1128/rss16

It sounds like Parise and Suter really are a package deal. It sounds like Detroit really is one of the very few teams that interests them (has the cap space, a winning tradition, and both - more or less - grew up in Ann Arbor). It sounds like this might be something that actually ends up happening...and which could have been in the works for some time?





Because me for being an addict, LINES!

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Zach Parise ($7.000m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Johan Franzen ($3.955m)
Gustav Nyquist ($0.875m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m)
Justin Abdelkader ($1.300m) / Darren Helm ($1.400m) / Power Forward? ($2.000m)
Power Forward? ($2.000m) / Cory Emmerton ($0.533m) / Power Forward? ($2.000m)
DEFENSEMEN
Nicklas Lidstrom ($5.000m) / Ryan Suter ($7.000m)
Niklas Kronwall ($4.750m) / Ian White ($2.875m)
Brendan Smith ($0.875m) / Jonathan Ericsson ($3.250m)
GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($2.250m)
Backup Goalie? ($1.000m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,846,212; BONUSES: $37,500
CAP SPACE (20-man roster): $453,788





Explanation:

If we're able to sign Parise and Suter, the top six is set (Parise replaces Bertuzzi on the first line, Nyquist replaces Hudler on the second line); and - assuming Lidstrom resigns - the defensive pairings are set (Suter replaces Stuart, Smith replaces Quincey). But the bottom six isn't yet in order.

I like Helm as our third line center. He's one of the best defensive centers in the game. Let's resign him (an RFA) to about a 0.5mil raise. I like Emmerton as our fourth line center. He's sort of like a young Helm in many ways. Let's keep him there. And I like Abdelkader as a bottom six winger. He's big, strong, and great defensively (though he could be more physical). Let's resign him (an RFA) to about a 0.5 mil raise. But now we've got some issues.

I DO NOT like Cleary, Bertuzzi, Eaves, Miller or Mursak as bottom-six wingers. I want three new, big, strong, physical, defensively sound power forwards to go along with Abdelkader as our bottom-six wingers. If we move the aforementioned players, we'll have over 6mil to spend on these three power forwards. Should be well more than enough to get us what we want. It'll be harder to move some than others, but I do think that all of the aforementioned players are movable (worst case scenario, send them and their cap-hits through waivers en route to gr).

THAT's how we catch up to the rest of the league.


How did either of them grow up in Ann Arbor?


#2303002 Excellent 'Parise and Suter to Detroit' article

Posted by sureWhyNot on 24 May 2012 - 12:11 PM

Your last sentence asks the right question. That was my point. In order to sign in Detroit, they would EACH have to take less than other Cup-pursuing teams would offer them SEPARATELY. I don't see that happening. Do you really think that Parise will be making less than Kovalchuk? Or for much shorter term? More likely, he'll be making more.
Realistically, the only way to sign both would be if Lidstrom retires and a couple of other larger contracts (e.g. Bertuzzi) are gotten rid of and replaced with min.salary players. And then the Wings will be against the cap, and where will the future raises for the RFAs come from then?


Please explain to me Bertuzzi's "large" contract.


#2302996 Excellent 'Parise and Suter to Detroit' article

Posted by kipwinger on 24 May 2012 - 12:06 PM

Perhaps, but there's no way they will both accept such a discount, unless it's for one year only, like Selanne and Kariya once did. But put yourself in their shoes, is Detroit the best place for their one shot at a Cup together? Because at that price (14 mil for both) they can have their pick of ANY NHL team they want. And right now Detroit doesn't look like the team most poised to win the Cup next year.

And to sign them both long-term, the price tag will START at 20 mil.


Lolz.


#2302994 Excellent 'Parise and Suter to Detroit' article

Posted by sibiriak on 24 May 2012 - 11:49 AM

20 mil what? A year?

Yes, a year. Comparables for a long term contract: Kovalchuk and Weber (who is on a short term arbitration award IIRC) 10+7.5(short term, lowball). With salaries expected to rise every year, a LT contracts of parise and Suter will at least 10% higher than the Kovy+Weber. That is 19+ mil.

And 7 million isn't such a discount. They are perhaps leaving a few million off the table to play together and for a team with a history of winning and a group of guys who know what it takes to win. You don't get that from many other clubs.

How about the Bruins? The Rangers? The Devils? The Kings? The Blues? The Preds? The Flyers even? Those all look like contenders to me.


#2302993 Excellent 'Parise and Suter to Detroit' article

Posted by Doc Holliday on 24 May 2012 - 11:42 AM

Perhaps, but there's no way they will both accept such a discount, unless it's for one year only, like Selanne and Kariya once did. But put yourself in their shoes, is Detroit the best place for their one shot at a Cup together? Because at that price (14 mil for both) they can have their pick of ANY NHL team they want. And right now Detroit doesn't look like the team most poised to win the Cup next year.

And to sign them both long-term, the price tag will START at 20 mil.


20 mil what? A year?

And 7 million isn't such a discount. They are perhaps leaving a few million off the table to play together and for a team with a history of winning and a group of guys who know what it takes to win. You don't get that from many other clubs.


#2302799 The truth of our decline.

Posted by number9 on 23 May 2012 - 10:57 AM

I think you're underestimating how hard it is to "reload" like what happened last time when Stevie Y was on his way out.


It's not as hard to reload when you have some of the best drafting and player development in the league, and your one of the top free agent destinations in the league lol....now if this was Edmonton or Columbus....

Emmerton: NHL ready
Mursak: NHL ready
Andersson: NHL ready
Smith: NHL ready
Nyquist: NHL ready
Sheahan: Call up
Tatar: Call up
(insert free agents name here)
(insert free agents name here)

That's potentially about 9 players who will be fighting for NHL ice time....plus Holmstrom makes 10....we've still got about 2 more seasons of reloading left IMO though.....


#2302579 What's the point of the crease?

Posted by puckbags on 22 May 2012 - 09:54 AM

I think the crease is there solely to keep Homer's ass directly from touching other goalies faces.