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#1919701 Colin Campbell discusses head shots

Posted by Hockeymom1960 on 20 March 2010 - 09:51 AM




#1918637 Eight games for Wisniewski

Posted by Carman on 19 March 2010 - 09:51 AM

Unless your name is Sean Avery (Brodeur Rule) or Sidney Crosby (All-Star Game Rule) or Evgeni Malkin (Rescinding Automatic Suspension Rule)...

What a shifty, deceptive son of a *****.

Except the Sean Avery rule was a clarification on existing rule not a new rule. And the Crosby/Malkin situations are clearly covered in the rulebook for those who are actually literate in the Engliah langauge.


#1917399 Ovie Suspended

Posted by thedisappearer on 16 March 2010 - 07:36 PM

You are assuming Sidney is going to have his head down.
He's not that stupid. He's not the greatest hockey talent in the history of the game for nothing...

Normally, your Crosby thing gets annoying, but this is a quality troll right here. Hats of to ya! Well done!


#1917398 Ovie Suspended

Posted by Carman on 16 March 2010 - 07:30 PM

pockets, on 16 March 2010 - 03:44 AM, said:

idk why people are still saying Cooke needs to be punished. Why what rule did he break, even though it was a malicious hit and knowing Cookes history he probably did have intent to injure, you cant punish him.




Then I guess, by this logic, it should be OK for the Bruins to go headhunting for the Penguin's best player when they meet on Thursday night. Suppose Boston's most physical player (goon? thug? clean but hard checking player?) takes out Cyndy Crosby the way Cooke took out Savard. When Bettman regained consciousness, he would demand that the guilty party be banned for life for a "clean" (?) hit on the "face of the NHL". Above all, Political Correctness must be observed!!


You are assuming Sidney is going to have his head down.
He's not that stupid. He's not the greatest hockey talent in the history of the game for nothing...


#1917351 Ovie Suspended

Posted by Carman on 16 March 2010 - 04:15 PM

Maybe it was the obvious attempt to injure?

Attempt to Injure
(Match Penalty)
A player who receives a match penalty is ejected. A match penalty is imposed for deliberately injuring or attempting to injure another player. If a match penalty is imposed the offending player is automatically suspended from the next game their team plays, and often face a hearing with the possibility of a lengthier ban.


Intent to injure is only used when the original act is illegal.


#1917355 Ovie Suspended

Posted by Original-Six on 16 March 2010 - 04:36 PM

Intent to injure is only used when the original act is illegal.


Rule 21.1 - Match Penalties
A match penalty shall be imposed on any player or goalkeeper who deliberately attempts to injure an opponent in any manner.


#1917286 Steve Downie with another questionable play

Posted by SouthernWingsFan on 16 March 2010 - 03:13 PM

You actually know Crosby on a personal level? Wow, that's cool. Now I'm the jealous one. :ph34r:

:lol:

I'm sure there's plenty of sensibility and non-jealousy in bringing him up in most threads that don't have anything to do with him. Like the fans in Nashville or Chicago who chant "Detroit Sucks", the Crosby obsession is certainly not jealousy whatsoever. Right? Right. Bravo for the nice show. :clap:

Has little/nothing to do with jealousy of him, or crying that Red Wings players themselves are getting more pub or whatever. I don't care about Red Wings coverage or too much coverage of them/lack thereof or whatever. Plenty don't like him because has a questionable attitude or appearance in dead whistles/off-ice stuff and is quite often dull as sandpaper and gets way too much over the top attention, more than the merited/deserved kind. It's easy to dislike people who get too much attention like that, fair or unfair, especially when media seems to ignore or just brush aside questionable traits that aren't hard to spot.

Pretty much everybody gets how good he is in terms of playing hockey and respects his skills.

Those two things are independent of each other, and it's something that you are not grasping here. The off-ice dead whistle stuff is fairly important to a lot of people as well in terms of player attitude or liking a player's character. Now, is Crosby the only one who has acted like this? Probably not, but when he gets too much attnetion, fair or not, he become a target.

I think he's a helluva hockey player and one of the best out there presently but he rubs me the wrong way still and media slobbers over him way as explained above. They could get other players more press time, it's irritating. I had to mute the Red Wings-Blackhawks NBC broadcast recently because they were talking too damned much about him, and he wasn't even playing in the game. It's like Tiger Woods in golf presently/recently or Tim Tebow in college football. Talk about the other athletes more.

I'm not jealous of his game because I know I will never be a hockey player or athlete at an extremely high level. I'm definitely not jealous of his attitude/occasional whining.

Is the disliking sometimes overzealous? Of course. People wouldn't be saying this stuff though if there wasn't some truth/merit to these things. I highly doubt people are jealous of him.

What Steve Downie did was idiotic and Crosby didn't deserve it because Crosby wasn't doing anything to provoke that type of reaction, but plenty of people still dislike both these guys in spite of what happened in this play. This play didn't change that, and probably not much will for a while towards either player.


#1916456 Ovie Suspended

Posted by Carman on 15 March 2010 - 07:41 PM

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As much as I want to see iffy hits reined in, Ovie's hit didn't look all that bad to me. He hit him on his side, not his back.

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About the Ovechkin suspension. Incoming wall of text.

I think it's fair. We all know if it was any other player he would have received more games. I understand and accept the fact that star players are more important to the game then 3rd-4th liners. I have no problems with Ovechkin only getting 2 games. Ovechkin is one of the greatest hockey talents ever, he needs to be on the ice scoring goals, not in the stands serving punishment for a borderline hit that ended someone's season. So from that aspect I see no problems on the severity, and I just hope Ovechkin can learn to focus his physical game and use better judgement in the future so he can avoid this. The NHL needs Ovechkin, but it cannot make specials rules it can only bend them.

The hit itself was bad, I don't think it was anything completely horrible, but it was quite apparent that Ovechkin had a lapse in judgment and if he happened to hit someone on the Red Wings there would be a lot less defense for him in this thread. I don't see how anyone can look at that hit and think that should be a acceptable part of the game. In a perfect world whether or not Brian Campbell was injured would not play a prominent role in the length and severity of the punishment, but that's not how life works. An incidental high stick still deserves 2 minutes, and even more if there is blood drawn, intention has little to do on the actually punishment. The outcome of the victim plays a role in the determination of punishment. Now if you want to debate that it shouldn't, it would be a whole different topic on how human society as a whole spanning from the court system, to everyday social situations(for a terrible and maybe sort of extreme example; we all pay more intention to a victim that was murdered, more then a victim that was just injured.)

Now about people that are complaining about consistency and Colin Campbell. Please take a step back and look at the situation from his shoes. What Cooke did certainly deserved a punishment, I think most sane people all agree on this notion. The sad truth of the matter is Campbell has no ground to suspend Cooke. What Cooke did, while absolutely malicious and dangerous, does not violate any rules that are currently instilled in the rule book. Everyone pointing to the "intent to injure" rule needs to understand that it's only enforced when the original play is actually illegal. That rule is not there to punish players for essentially hitting too hard. If that's how you want to interpret the rule you could look at Kronwall's hits, or almost every single one of Scott Steven's hits and attribute disciplinary action. The thing is unless the hit itself is written in the rule book as illegal you cannot enforce that particular "intent to injure" rule. Hopefully they can get the headshot/blindside hit defined and in the rule book as soon as possible, but you cannot just change the rule on the spot. It's not up to Campbell to make the rules. So for that I don't see how you can blame Campbell, when essentially he can only work with the rules he is given.

I hope I can actually get serious feedback from this post and not just "STFU CROSBYLVOER etc."


#1916417 Steve Downie with another questionable play

Posted by Howard He Do It?! on 15 March 2010 - 06:34 PM

It's just the jealousy. Wings fans are deprived of great hockey players and leaders like Crosby now that Yzerman has retired.

So pretty much anyone that shows any positivity to Crosby is a Satanist murderer.

Inb4 more negative ratings for my posts. Keep spamming that red button guys!

Because Lidstrom, Datsyuk and Zetterberg are all horrible hockey players and show zero leadership skills. Your love for Crosby is sickening. And stop complaining about negative ratings. People who complain about negative ratings deserve negative ratings.


#1916169 Steve Downie with another questionable play

Posted by Carman on 15 March 2010 - 10:27 AM

You really like to dig yourself in a hole deeper and deeper apparently...

Have fun with that...


Just a forum, no biggie.

Not like I'm losing any sleep over it :lol:


#1916166 Steve Downie with another questionable play

Posted by Carman on 15 March 2010 - 10:15 AM

Baiting is a very naughty bad thing...


I agree.

Look at all the posters in the thread that are saying Crosby deserved it, and he was completely acting.

When I see remarks like this I tend to just match the intelligence I'm surrounded with.


#1916161 Steve Downie with another questionable play

Posted by Carman on 15 March 2010 - 10:07 AM

It doesn't have anything to do with jealousy.

When you blather like you just demonstrated on the subject, you just add further fuel to the fire unnecessarily in making people disliking him more, and not liking you when you embelish people's thoughts with a broad scope.


Sorry, I have a bad habit of stooping down to other's level.

So I tend to just fight fire with fire, makes it more entertaining.


#1916154 Steve Downie with another questionable play

Posted by Carman on 15 March 2010 - 09:51 AM

Sometimes the Crosby hate here really is amazing. Im not huge on the guy, but is he supposed to have some special robotic knee or something that allows it to go sideways like that? He really is a good actor to be able to make his limbs go like that and it not hurt him, maybe he should be in the circus instead.


It's just the jealousy. Wings fans are deprived of great hockey players and leaders like Crosby now that Yzerman has retired.

So pretty much anyone that shows any positivity to Crosby is a Satanist murderer.

Inb4 more negative ratings for my posts. Keep spamming that red button guys!


#1915959 Steve Downie with another questionable play

Posted by GMRwings1983 on 14 March 2010 - 09:44 PM

Nobody can embellish like Crysby.

Great acting. :lol:


#1915767 No suspension for Cooke

Posted by Pens Guy on 14 March 2010 - 02:50 PM

Hey Pens fan here...first post. Though it was a dirty and vicious hit, you can't really suspend him because it is technically legal. Dont get me wrong, it should be a penalty and I don't approve of the hit in any way. Will be interesting on Thursday wehn we play the Bruins. Hopefully he gets his a$$ kicked. He's a good player but I am getting tired of his dirty ways.