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#2506986 A plea to Holland.

Posted by joshy207 on 07 April 2014 - 01:24 PM

Don't get me wrong, joshy, I totally get where you're coming from. I just don't think there's much of an actual organizational problem here. Maybe some issues with the way a few specific cases have been handled, but any true red flags regarding The Process?

 

My biggest issue is that this is the automatic way it's done.  The roster is always full of veterans so there's little room for any of the prospects to even get a chance until someone gets hurt or until they've run out of waiver options.  I'm sure it's because Babcock and Holland don't generally trust rookies/young players until they prove their worthiness, but maybe that's changed this year.  I think it has with Babcock, and I hope it has with Holland.  Not completely, I don't think they should abandon the process and rush Mantha, Pulkkinen, Athanasiou, Mrazek, and some of the young defensemen all up here next year, but start leaving room for some of them to get a decent taste of NHL action and go from there.




#2506966 A plea to Holland.

Posted by joshy207 on 07 April 2014 - 11:32 AM

I believe it works in some cases and not as well in others.  Of course, pretty much everyone but the high-end draft picks will spend time in the minors, that's the way player development works.  Exceptions like DeKeyser, Justin Schultz, and a few other college free agents have spent 3-4 extra developmental years in college.  The key is calling them up at the right time... not rushing them and putting them in situations where they can't succeed, but not leaving them in the AHL for too long and stunting their development.

I agree on Sheahan and Jurco, neither were ready last year and probably weren't this September.  Also agree on Callahan and Ferraro, who I think will be either marginal 4th-liners or AHL journeymen.  But if Tatar and Nyquist were ready last year, why not have them up full-time?  (It has worked out for the best, as they're the top 2 forwards playing right now, but that could have still happened had they been full-timers last year.)

My biggest case against "overripening" is Brendan Smith.  Babcock declared him NHL-ready 2 years before he cracked the Wings' lineup full-time, but by leaving him in Grand Rapids, they not only allowed him to stay at a level where he was able to cover up for his mistakes because the game is slower, but they also missed out on a chance for him to watch and learn from one of the best defensemen to ever play the game, if not THE best.  I wonder out loud if staying in Grand Rapids for so long actually stunted his development, and if that's why we watch him mix flashes of brilliance in with consistent mistakes.  Maybe some of those mistakes became habits in Grand Rapids because they didn't hurt him or the team.

 

Next year, the Wings have absolutely no reason to send Sheahan down.  Jurco, IMO, should stay in Detroit too.  His offensive numbers don't quite indicate how well he has been playing, but that will come with a little more time and patience.  Glendening can go either way, he's a nice defensive 4th-line center and pest, but doesn't provide anything offensively.  Callahan only got one game to prove he's worth re-signing before he runs out of waiver exemptions, and that is not enough of a chance.  If he's re-signed, they'll risk losing him on waivers if he doesn't make the roster.  Same with Ferraro, who I think has less of a chance of returning.  Pulkkinen looked alright in his time up here, but should start the year in GR and be the first callup for a top-9 replacement role.  It's been said Mantha will have a chance to compete for a spot... let's hope there is one available for him to possibly fill.

 

Back to the original topic though, right now Kindl and Lashoff are pretty much the best option available for the third pairing.  I think Kindl's been a disappointment, given his apparent jump forward last year and the shiny new 4-year contract it earned him.  Lashoff doesn't provide much offensively, but is generally dependable defensively for a bottom-pairing guy and can play with a little edge.  And yes, he's only 23, so he's still young.




#2506934 A plea to Holland.

Posted by joshy207 on 07 April 2014 - 02:14 AM

I would re-call Nathan Paetsch and pair him with Smith on the 3rd when E is back. He is an elite skater and has vast experience. 

Def for the next 4 games, the Griffs are in their p/o we need 3 pts to make sure the game in Buffalo is a must win now.

 

Paetsch is not under contract to Detroit, he cannot simply be "recalled".  Detroit would have to sign him first... which may be possible, I think they are sitting at 49 contracts right now.

 

I can't believe no one has challenged the idea that this year proves mgmt is stupid in leaving players down to "overripe." If anything, this year has proven that the Wings are correct in leaving the kids in the minors as long as they do. Everyone who is on the team now and spent time in Grand Rapids is ready to play in the NHL now, including a few that none of us expected to be playing this soon. That tells me that that they are doing the right thing, not the wrong thing.

 

You are contradicting yourself all over this post.

Are you saying that this year proves overripening is stupid, and you can't believe nobody has said you're wrong?  Or the opposite?  Because your first two sentences are total opposites.

The Wings did not think they could count on Jurco or Sheahan this year.  Instead, those two players are on what has been the Wings' best line many nights.  They did not expect Nyquist and Tatar to be the major contributors they have become.  Last year, they did not expect to have Andersson, Nyquist, Tatar, or Lashoff in the lineup, let alone contribute the way they did.  Most of the other "cup of coffee" call-ups have played quite well, too.

If someone that "none of us expected to be playing this soon" is getting regular icetime and contributing in the NHL, that player was NOT overripened.  That would include Jurco and Sheahan this year, and others like Helm and Kronwall who were called up full-time before they ran out of waiver exemptions.

If anything, the last two years have PROVEN that the Wings DO NOT NEED to leave prospects in the AHL as long as they do with little-to-no NHL playing time.  Their AHL coaching staff is doing a phenomenal job of developing these players, and those players should be rewarded with opportunities to make the Wings' roster out of training camp and/or having chances to be called up and play regularly during the season without having to wait for the injury bug to strike.




#2499580 QMJHL player loses a finger blocking a shot

Posted by joshy207 on 23 March 2014 - 03:06 PM

Gloves are not that heavy-duty.  It's not surprising at all that an 80-90mph slap shot can do that kind of damage to a finger if it gets pinched between the puck and stick.  The foam (and maybe plastic) will give enough for that to happen.




#2483083 NHL players will not participate in 2018 Olympics (Mod Post #99)

Posted by joshy207 on 09 February 2014 - 08:47 PM

Olympic Hockey will never be good again.  I sincerely hope the World Cup will be revived in the next couple years.  This sport needs ultra-high-level international competition.

On the World Cup subject, I'd like to see them have the top 7 countries (USA, Canada, Sweden, Finland, Czech, Slovakia, Russia) and an 8th team made up of players from all other countries, an IIHF/"World" team.




#2478769 Sammy Waived

Posted by joshy207 on 29 January 2014 - 04:04 PM

If he retires, his entire cap hit counts against the Wings.  If he stays with GR, they at least get the $100K in relief from sending him down.  So there's that.




#2473816 Would Samuelsson ever consider retiring mid-season?

Posted by joshy207 on 18 January 2014 - 12:17 PM

I'm sure Samuelsson has pride and that he'd rather be playing and isn't happy sitting out or playing few minutes when he does dress.




#2473557 Andersson out...Emmerton up

Posted by joshy207 on 16 January 2014 - 09:47 PM

The injury "thing" is beyond ridiculous...




#2471498 Pissed off: JJ speaking out

Posted by joshy207 on 09 January 2014 - 03:29 PM

I think the main thing to take from this article is the unprofessionalism displayed by USA Hockey and its officials.  This type of insider information, while craved by all of us, should never be released to the public.  If after the announcement, a coach, GM, or other official wants to say "this is why we took/didn't take Player X", that's fine, but it can then be a more polished statement.  Also, players who have been part of the program for years--like Johnson--and were passed over deserved a call before the announcement.  It's just the right thing to do.




#2471496 Look who's top in GR scoring

Posted by joshy207 on 09 January 2014 - 03:20 PM

How about just referring to players by their NAMES?




#2470520 Helm has sore groin...

Posted by joshy207 on 04 January 2014 - 11:51 AM

I'm sure waiving all these guys (Tootoo, Eaves, and whoever else is going to have to go) and benching Samuelsson is going to do wonders for Detroit's image for free agents... bringing Cleary back has been a colossal error.




#2470120 Helm has sore groin...

Posted by joshy207 on 01 January 2014 - 08:04 PM

If it's not one thing, it's three others.  Poor guy.




#2469421 World Juniors Tourney Thread

Posted by joshy207 on 01 January 2014 - 04:03 AM

 

it is toronto in 2015, then montreal in 2017

 

http://www.hockeycan...Men/Junior/2015

 

"In 2015, Montreal will host the preliminary round group including Canada’s National Junior Team, as well as two quarter-finals, for a total of 12 tournament games. Toronto will host the other preliminary round group, plus two quarter-finals, the relegation series, fifth-place game, both semifinals and both medal games, for a total of 19 games. Canada will move from Montreal to Toronto for the medal round.

Everything will be reversed in 2017 – Canada’s preliminary round group will play in Toronto, while Montreal will host the medal round. The number of games in each market for 2017 will be finalized at a later date."




#2468453 World Juniors Tourney Thread

Posted by joshy207 on 30 December 2013 - 01:00 PM

Could be a huge swing here, Mantha goal and a PP right after.

Mantha definitely knows how to find the back of the net.  You can't teach that.

 

As we've seen SO many times with the Wings, it's quality of shots, not quantity, that really matters...




#2468009 Drop the announcer and "Light the lamp goal"

Posted by joshy207 on 28 December 2013 - 07:30 PM

Obviously, DTE is shelling out money for that.  No different than a "Belle Tire Power Play" or the "Call Sam Studios" on TV.  I agree though, it's annoying.