Guys like Helm aren't uncommon, but he fits so well here, it'd take a lot for me to trade him. I'd say he's the 3rd most important forward behind Datsyuk and Zetterberg. He drives the bottom 2 lines, as already stated. Miller was useless without him late in the season, and Helm's line was the Wings' best on a lot of nights (far too many, really).
I would have Franzen out the door before I could hang up the phone if I was in charge, though...
I agree with you, that's the risk you run. But it's never really been in Holland's nature to grant spots on the team to guys based on talent alone. I'm not really worried though, with Smith, Dekeyser, and Ouellet developing I think we're in pretty good shape in the "Prospects with Potential" department.
Edit: Well I guess I should take a step back. Is the kid so skilled that he's in the Toews, Crosby, Stamkos department? I mean, is it completely obvious to anyone whose ever seen him play that he's going to be elite, and practically is already? If he's that good, then sure. If not, we've got a development program for a reason.
Dekeyser isn't Red Wings property. He's still in school at Western Michigan and he's still a free agent.
I honestly don't expect Datsyuk to be here in 5 years. To me, he doesn't seem like the kind of guy who wants to play forever. (I could be totally wrong on this though.) I wouldn't be surprised to see him go back to Russia after his contract is up, either to play in the KHL or to retire.
Franzen and Zetterberg... they have contracts until the end of time, but again, who knows how long they'll actually play. I think, health willing, Zetterberg will be here in 5 years, 36 isn't that old. But his back issues (and any other, future injury) could prevent that. Franzen, IMO, is less likely to still be playing then. If he's as disinterested in the regular season as he's reportedly said, or as his play sometimes indicates, he may not want to go through the daily grind in his mid- to late-30s. Especially if he rediscovers the physical side of the game.
One positive to either Franzen or Zetterberg retiring early... their contracts were signed (way) before the age of 35, so their cap hit disappears if they hang 'em up.
If the Devils lose, which I am confident they will, I still see Parise walking away. Why? Because the Devils are not that good of a team heading into the future. Marty may or may not retire after this year, but regardless once he is gone, their team will not be nearly as good and I think Parise knows that.
Change "Devils" to "Red Wings" and "Brodeur" to "Lidstrom" and you still have a true statement.
In today's game, teams are blocking all kinds of shots. Clogging/taking away shooting lanes, collapsing in front of the net, facing the puck... The Wings are going to have to mix up their style of play and find other ways to score if they want to be successful, especially in the playoffs. Drive the net more, trying to catch the opponent off guard or force a mistake rather than lulling them to sleep with puck-possesion all day, every day... dump-and-chase when puck possession isn't working or when they're playing a weak defensive opponent... cycle the puck down low more and create openings rather than just feeding everything up top... a healthy mix will produce better results.
Just because, here's a timeline of the NHL teams and when they entered the NHL.
1917- Montreal, Toronto 1924- Boston 1926- Chicago, NYR 1932- Detroit 1967 (Expansion)- Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Los Angeles, St. Louis, Dallas (Minnesota and California) 1970- Vancouver, Buffalo 1972- NYI, Carolina (Hartford), Calgary (Atlanta) 1974- Washington, New Jersey (Kansas City and Colorado) 1979- Colorado (Quebec), Edmonton, Phoenix (Winnipeg) 1991- San Jose 1992- Ottawa, Tampa Bay 1993- Anaheim, Florida 1998- Nashville 1999- Atlanta 2000- Minnesota, Columbus
Detroit entered the league in 1926 with Chicago and NYR, and Hartford joined with the other WHA teams in 1979
I keep wondering - sometimes out loud - if any of tha Wings are watching these four Western teams play. Why the hell couldn't our guys figure it out. That you have to play the puck ALL over the offensive zone, not just the sides. And SHOOT THE DAMN PUCK!!!
We don't have those types of players. Holland is the one who should really be watching this. But he's probably too busy liking his team.
Hollands problem is, he likes this team. He refuses to ditch certain players who haven't shown up that last few playoffs. He rewards veterans with contract just because they were/are loyal to him. He let's Nick Lidstrom tell HIM what he wants to make. He is still waiting for "playoff Franzen" to show up and he still believes that UFA's will flock to Detroit, just because of their history PLUS they will more than welcome accepting 1/3 less salary for that same reason...
Couldn't agree more. And after hearing Lidstrom's comments from the other day regarding the team, I think his decision whether or not to return will depend on how much change takes place this summer... and I think it's the less, the better for Lidstrom. I don't think he wants to play with a bunch of new guys, he'd rather have as much of this team back as possible. And I think that's what he's going to get. Holland seems to not want to lose Lidstrom (can't say I blame him, but...) and will do whatever it takes to retain him, including putting the band back together.
-Stuart out, Smith in full-time. -Nyquist may replace one of Hudler, Emmerton, or Mursak. -Conklin out, MacDonald in if healthy, otherwise enter a veteran backup. Meet your new Wings, same as the old Wings...
And, "We like our team" is the new "Our power play is our enforcer." PUUUUUKE.
-I'm really glad Holland decided to extend Bertuzzi. 2 more years AND a raise? Brilliant. If he hadn't gotten that offer then, I doubt he would get it now. (And no, this is not hindsight, this is exactly what I said when I read the news.)
-If I could find someone to take on Franzen's contract, I'd give them 2 or 3 prospects just to say "thanks!" Lazy, floating, inconsistent albatross. When he was drafted, he was a hardworking defensive center. Where did that guy go?
-If Ericsson is our best defensive defenseman, we have huge problems. He's too mistake-prone to be considered "good" and too soft to be conisdered "tough". He plays like he's 5'10". He's ok on the third-pair, but he isn't a top-4 guy and never will be. And for that, he's way overpaid.
-Smith and Nyquist need to be on this roster next year, unless they are traded. Which I would consider as part of packages. Tatar should be given every chance to win a spot as well, again, unless dealt.
-I don't expect to see Suter or Parise sign here, in fact I'd be shocked if they do. I just don't see Holland shelling out the money necessary to get them. If he didn't like last year's market prices (just ask Wisniewski, lol) then he definitely won't like this year's. I expect Suter and Parise to get around $9M per year, each.
-I think the best way to rebuild this team is through trades. Zetterberg, while immensely important here, would have extremely high value to some other franchises looking for someone to build a solid foundation around. Could get a top-end sniper in return. I would entertain offers for everybody on the roster or in the system at this point. You never know, you might get one you like.
That won't happen as long as Holland is still GM. He has a huge boner for this roster as it stands. That's why, despite him saying the team "NEEDS TO GET BETTER" after being eliminated by San Jose AGAIN last spring, nothing changed. He replaced Rafalski with White, Salei with Commodore, Modano and Draper with Emmerton and Mursak, and Osgood with Conklin. 4 of those guys retired and had to be replaced. White is the only one who's really panned out well. What else? NOTHING. Is the team "BETTER"? NO And the only deadline move the last 2 years was getting Quincey back... aka fixing a mistake from several years ago. NOTHING WILL CHANGE. EVER.
Sheahan signed with Grand Rapids, not Detroit, so the Wings can't call him up at all this season. It seems like, as someone speculated in another thread, that they're keeping a contract spot open for free agent Danny DeKeyser from WMU. I wouldn't be surprised to see him sign with Detroit as soon as Western's NCAA run is over.
Emmerton's been here all season. He was a often healthy scratch earlier in the season, but has taken on a regular role with all the injuries.
I think a big part of the Wings' problem is complacency. The team rarely seems to play with any sense of urgency, and when they do, it's too little, too late. Underperforming players are almost never scratched or benched unless they're fourth liners or sixth defensemen. Franzen being demoted to the third line was, honestly, surprising. When's the last time a regular player was traded away or not re-signed in free agency? (Hossa was a cap issue, and I don't count Kopecky, he missed almost every playoff game.) They know they'll be back next year, whether they meet expectations or not. There is no fear of losing their jobs.
I heard an interesting quote on the radio around the trade deadline... basically it said the Wings overvalue their players and prospects, and undervalue players and prospects from other teams. Kind of goes along with Wisniewski's quote from last summer that the Wings "don't pay market value". Also explains why Holland didn't really improve the team last summer (despite the fact that he said the team "has to get better") or at the deadline this year. Money is no excuse, he had PLENTY of room under the salary cap.
If there's an early exit from the playoffs this year, there NEEDS to be change. Whether it's trading away a few regular players, firing Babcock (maybe the players are tuning him out?), or even Holland, something would need to be done. But the loyalty begins at the very top, so as long as Mr. Ilitch is still in charge, I don't see much change on the horizon.
Not really. The point of the cap system is to make the traditionally lesser-spending teams more revenue. Those teams make more money by winning more games and therefore there is parity in the league. My point wasn't really about parity, but that a rapidly increasing salary cap creates an artificial over-inflation of player values and makes the league look silly by annually having to adjust the cap to compensate for spendthrift GMs. Granted, the cap has done some good overall, but needs to be re-worked in the next CBA.
The point of the salary cap is to create a level playing field, where big-market, big-revenue teams like DET and NYR can't simply open their vaults and outspend small market teams every time a marquee player enters the free agent market. While all teams are bound by their own financial constraints, the cap ensures there is a minimum and maximum amount each team is allowed to spend on players. I think what you are talking about is revenue sharing, where some money is pooled together from the richer teams and distributed to the poorer teams. That's what gives them more money to spend. The salary cap is tied directly to league revenues (how much money the league brings in through ticket sales, merchandise sales, television contracts, etc. It is adjusted up or down every year bases on these revenues. The players collectively earn 57% of all money the league brings in. The cap is DESIGNED to be adjusted every year! If the cap was still at $39M, the players would only be making somewhere in the neighborhood of 35% of revenues, not 57% like they are supposed to.
I will go as far as saying that the salary cap saved the NHL. Without it, we'd probably be looking at a 16 team league.