Posted by achildr1
on 10 September 2010 - 03:03 PM
"Signing Zbynek Michalek and Paul Martin didn't upgrade our D? We have Martin, Orpik, Michalek, Letang, Goligoski, Lovejoy (or veteran D-man)Some would argue that's a top 3 D in the league."
But you lost Gonchar, basically replaced by Martin (argueably) so you only really added Michalek.
I took a look at the 'goals against' stats from last year, was a bit suprised by what I seen. The teams with the better goalies let in the fewest goals, not necessarily the best D-man. NJ and BOS were 1-2, and outside of Martin and Chara, there ain't much to look at. I think Fluery is going to have much more to say about how far you go than Michalek. And Fluery isn't exactly Mr. Dependable.
"The Pens will run through the league this year and most likely win the president's trophy."
This is just ignorant. You have a chance. At least not any better chance than, Washington, Detroit, and maybe even San Jose.
"As for wingers --- Kunitz wasn't healthy at all last year. That really hurt in opening up space for Master Crosby. Malkin is switching to Winger and Staal (Not Stall, as so many of you say) is centering him."
No excuses...you have no wingers of note, period. If Staal isn't on your third line, you've lost a lot of depth. Your bottom two lines will look more like Chicago's, thin, to say the least. Tangradi barely put up a Ryan Malone-esque season...but in the AHL. You had to dip from the former NYI/EDM cast-off bin again in Comrie in hopes that he adds anything to your team.
"I don't see the Wings pulling through this year, because they won't be able to get past Chicago. Pens v Hawks. You heard it here"
You don't see it because your looking through Penguin eyes. Crosby goggles. The Hawks are Pittsburgh-West (stink for 12 years, pile up picks, win, lose a ton of depth, think that they're the best thing since sliced bread). I wouldn't be suprised if Chicago doesn't even make the playoffs. The Penguins almost didn't in '09 (after losing major pieces) and it took major trades and a coaching change to get them there.
The Wings have a better defence than either of Chicago or Pittsburgh. They are deeper on offence than both teams. They are more experianced than both teams. They have better coaching than both teams.
No contest. The only reason I even pick Pittsburgh to contend is their experiance and the fact that the East is weak.
I wanna know why people like to limit Helm and tab Abby for 20 goals soon?
Maltby scored 50 in junior (can't you just hear Mickey saying it) but never touched 20. I feel like Abby's upside might be like Malts, except more physical.
I believe Helm, who I deem the fastest player I've ever seen in my 15 years of hockey playing/watching, has the higher upside.
This guy is on a whole nother level of fast, and he does have hands. I feel he's above Abby in terms of development right now and their about the same age. If he gets stronger on his feet and learns some puck skills from Datsyuk, look out. If Flip ends up on the outs and Helm gets a bigger role on the third line and first PK line duties, I could see him pulling a Draper-esque Selke season.
This kid is the real deal. The biggest thing I can say about the kid is that nearly everytime he touches the ice, HE makes something happen. Babs said so too.
The guys on our team that I feel stand out the most when I watch a game are Datsyuk, Lidstrom (only to the trained eye, otherwise he makes it look TOO smooth), and Darren "the real deal" Helm.
Nicklas Lidstrom, Red Wings 25% Zdeno Chara, Bruins 23%
Shea Weber, Predators 10%
Chris Pronger, Flyers 9%
Scott Niedermayer, Ducks 7%
Based on a survey of 272 NHL players"
This poll was within the last year. Doughty and Keith don't even crack the top 5. Even if this was before the Hawks won the cup, 1 year doesn't raise Keith that high. This was only one category in this survey in which Lidstrom took more categories than any other defenseman. 272 players is about a third of NHL players, pretty strong support for the arguement.
Even if Nick slowed last year, he was judged way too harshly (as were the Wings in general) on the first half of last year.
First, who would you rather have on the ice in Game 7 of the Cup Finals? Doughty or Lidstrom. That's what I thought, you don't want a kid that hasn't won jack out there when you could have a 4 time cup winner and a Olympic Gold medalist who won a string of Norris' quite recently. Even if he has lost would some would call 'pefection' in his game. That's still way better than Doughty or Keith are, period. I bet Duncan keith and Drew Doughty still watch Lidstrom when they play him to see how to be better than they are.
I wouldn't be suprised at all if Nick won the Norris this year, not one bit.
As soon as I seen the title of this thread I thought of your number 1 video. I remember watching that when it happened and just being awestruck by the skill level of those two. It felt alot like watching Datsyuk put Turco's jockstrap in the rafters in the shootout. It's almost unfair but man is it ever entertaining.
It seems that ever since Steve went south we've been pineing over even the smallest TB moves. If any other team in the league signed Chris Durno, and their was a thread about it on LGW, I'd be shocked.
This isn't to critisize though. Because I'm guilty. I've caught myself thinking, "who is Steve going to round out his bottom two lines with?" (Durno, Pouliet) "Wow, he stole Gagne!" And "Guy Boucher...who?.."
Regardless, those thoughts have me wishing them well to the point of wishing I had NHL Center Ice so I could root 'em on. I think I am a Lightning fan now. (but always Wings first)
Right. Knowledgable fans should know that Chicago has done incredible given their situation. Morin, Vishnevsky, a 1st, 2 2nd's, and players to fill spots of the departed is an incredible return for the players traded. Any true fan or judge of talent should realize that.
That said, it stinks as a Wings fan to see it be so easy for the Hawks. It also burns be up that the Thrashers continue to burn theit franchise to the ground with bad hockey decision after bad hockey decision.
For sure, it's funny how excited we get for the 21st pick. Imagine if we had a top 5 pick, LGW would resemble Toronto the day they get to the second round again.
Too bad my cable just went out past channel 24. Probably gonna camp out over my in-laws, NHL network in HD. So I can see the Wings select anyone other than Dylan McIlrath in stunning detail! (JK, guys who already have McIlrath sewn on the back of their jerseys...)
Ok to anyone who thinks Atlanta got the better end of this, who-what?!?
Seriously, Chicago couldn't of hoped for better. I'm mad as a Wings fan that Atlanta gives away good assets for complimentary players. Morin is a highly touted guy, and a 1st and 2nd?!! Rediculous Atlanta got hosed, big time.
Ok guys. This McIlrath man love is insanity sauce. A stay at home d-man with a high first round pick? If we were picking 29th, maybe, and I'd still be mad. If he doesn't legitametly have a real offensive upside, you don't pick that kinda player that high. THN had him in the first round but somewhere in the 20's.
Also, contrary to what some have said, this is suppossed to be a deep draft.
My guy is Jeff Skinner, he's proven. I've heard rave reviews on him and that he could fall cause he's only like 5'10. The kinda guy that looks to be in our picks range or in the few pick trade up window.
If we trade down, one of those picks has to be us taking a flier on Kabanov if he's there. THN said we'll take Burmistrov because if anyone can get a russian to stay it'll be the Wings. Take that philosophy and put it to Kirill. (That said, given how the Wings are run, its probably a stretch.