johnogrodnickfanclub 0 Report post Posted February 5, 2006 ugh... i'm gonna puke. we don't even deserve to make the playoffs. we should just play for a lotter pick at this point. we're a .500 team and it's finally showing... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aussie_Wing 354 Report post Posted February 5, 2006 Look, I think there are definitely areas of concern for the Pistons. I think it's time to discuss our bench production. We lost to the Pacers yesterday, and our bench was outscored 43-14, that's a massive margin. I know that we don't need a tremendously strong bench, but this is not acceptable. The Pacers had 3 players who played more than 15 minutes, Jones, Harrison and the rookie Granger. For Detroit, only McDyess played more than 15 minutes. Sooner or later, we have to get our bench more involved. The match I saw against Philadelphia was a great opportunity to give the bench an opportunity, however basically no one got a chance. Delfino played 6 minutes. Back to today’s game and Delfino contributed 4 points, 3 rebounds, 3 assists, a block and a steal in only 10 minutes. Why not play him more? The starters are being overused and the bench underused, we need some kind of equality. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dallas27 7 Report post Posted February 6, 2006 If you look closely the sky is falling... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aussie_Wing 354 Report post Posted February 7, 2006 If you look closely the sky is falling... So you don’t have any concerns with the way Flip is handling our bench? I thought Brown had no faith, Flip is just as bad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dallas27 7 Report post Posted February 7, 2006 So you don’t have any concerns with the way Flip is handling our bench? I thought Brown had no faith, Flip is just as bad. I don't have any concerns about the Pistons at all. I can understand why he is no faith in Arroyo becuase he sucks at everything he does. Now if they drop 10 games in a row and the starters are playing 40+ minutes then I MIGHT start to get worried. But 2 games and the starters are averaging less minutes this year than last? Nope. Rip, who I believe is leading in minutes, is 38th in the league in time spent out there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cruiser008 37 Report post Posted February 8, 2006 Pistons just lost to Atlanta! The sky is falling!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aussie_Wing 354 Report post Posted February 8, 2006 Well Detroit just lost to Atlanta, yep thats right the Atlanta Hawks. But if you want to say everything is fine with this club then that's your opinion. We are 2-3 in the last 5 games, and Dallas and San Antonio are seriously catching us. For a while it seemed as though home court advatage was gaurenteed, however now it's in doubt. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heaton 1 Report post Posted February 8, 2006 The Pistons are going to be the #1 seed regardless, you're going to lose games you're not supposed to in the regular season and after the hot start stuff like this will look bigger than it should be. If the Pistons didn't start off so strong it wouldn't be as big of a deal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
timothy1997 0 Report post Posted February 8, 2006 Pistons just lost to Atlanta! The sky is falling!! first the pacers..understandable how you can lose this game...but no..here comes the HAWKS!! next...here come the CLIPPERS!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
johnogrodnickfanclub 0 Report post Posted February 8, 2006 i'm a little worried...no joking this time... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dallas27 7 Report post Posted February 8, 2006 You call yourselves Pistons fans? You honestly think that this team is just going to fall apart? If Carlos Arroyo didn't blow donkey dick this team wouldn't have lost. Know how many PALMING violations he has gotten the past 5 games? Way too f*cking many, that's how many. It's nearly impossible to get called for a palming violation in the NBA. You have to make it look so obvious that they actually realize it and blow their whistle. The dude sucks at basketball and I want him out of Detroit. Not to mention his horrible shot, his useless dribbling untill the shot clock gets down to 4 seconds. His dumb passes and decisions. The list goes on... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aussie_Wing 354 Report post Posted February 9, 2006 Minutes Per Game Sats: Detroit Pistons: R. Hamilton: 37.1 C. Billups: 36.4 B. Wallace: 36.4 T. Prince: 36.1 R. Wallace: 35.6 A. McDyess: 19.9 San Antonio Spurs: T. Duncan: 35.7 T. Parker: 34.9 B. Bowen: 34.1 M. Ginobili: 27.7 M. Finley: 27.4 R. Nesterovic: 21.6 Dallas Mavericks: D. Nowitzki: 37.8 J. Howard: 34.8 J. Terry: 34.4 M. Daniels: 31.0 A. Griffin: 25.5 D. Harris: 24.2 What observations do you make? Perhaps that Detroit's starters are being overused once again. The Spurs only have 3 of their starters averaging over 30 minutes, whereas not one of our starters is below 35. 6 Mavericks average 20+ minutes, talk about depth... Now to the bench. I get the feeling Flip has a distinct lack of belief in our bench. It seems as though McDyess is the only one that is being used, and possibly Evans. Why not use Evans more, he's shooting nearly 50% for the season, and whenever he gets in he hustles and gives 110%. We're all aware that Arroyo seems to struggle to fit into our system, yet since Hunter's been back he's barely seen the court. I know we're just easing him into it, but if he's ready we might as well play him. He can't be worse than Arroyo. Now I don't see why we don't use Delfino more, he's perhaps the best athlete we have, and one of the best players at driving to the hoop. Yet his talents seem to be wasted. Now I keep hearing Dale Davis was signed to deliver in the playoffs, but I highly doubt he'll see much, if any court time. Only last season for the Pacers he averaged 5 points and 6 rebounds in 21 minutes. Skip forward to this season and he's played only 10 games and he's spent 51 minutes on the court for the entire season! Don't ask me how he's suddenly going to get playing time. Thoughts? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dallas27 7 Report post Posted February 9, 2006 Don't worry about it, they will be fine? The starters, last time I checked, were playing less minutes this year than last. And they should have won it last year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RockyMountainWingGal 108 Report post Posted February 10, 2006 As long as they have the best record at the end of the season - that's all that counts. Yeah there's a bit of a scare since a few teams in the West are playing hot right now - and the WC really sucks this year. I actually think losing a few games might not be so bad for the Pistons - it takes the heat off of the much-talked-about record breaking run. They're not going to do it, nor should they try since that's not the most important goal of the season. p.s. I agree that Arroyo has to go. It's utterly painful to watch that guy out there playing basketball - yikes! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cruiser008 37 Report post Posted February 10, 2006 4 Pistons on the All-Star team, and Flip says he'll have them on the floor at the same time too! w.r.t. the heavy minutes the starters are playing, maybe Flip played them enough to earn them All-Star berths? Hopefully the Quintet will get more rest during the during 30 games in the schedule. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
betterREDthandead 58 Report post Posted February 10, 2006 4 Pistons on the All-Star team, and Flip says he'll have them on the floor at the same time too! w.r.t. the heavy minutes the starters are playing, maybe Flip played them enough to earn them All-Star berths? Hopefully the Quintet will get more rest during the during 30 games in the schedule. And the commish has a decision to make. He has to put a player on the team to replace the injured Jermaine O'Neal. David Stern is a master of generating publicity. Tayshaun Prince probably doesn't deserve to go over Michael Redd, but Stern knows publicity, and it would generate metric sh#t-tons of publicity if Tayshaun were to go and make it the Pistons vs. Best of the West. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
johnogrodnickfanclub 0 Report post Posted February 13, 2006 stones are 4-4 i think over the last eight...they've been looking shaky. we have a mere ONE GAME lead over the spurs for home court advantage throughout the playoffs. remember...the goal of the pistons during the regular season was to win home court...cuz they all believed they would have beat the spurs with home court advantage. in other news, WDFN reported that the orlando magic offere kelvin cato and a 1st round pick for carlos arroyo and darko milicic... i'd pass... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RockyMountainWingGal 108 Report post Posted February 14, 2006 stones are 4-4 i think over the last eight...they've been looking shaky. we have a mere ONE GAME lead over the spurs for home court advantage throughout the playoffs. remember...the goal of the pistons during the regular season was to win home court...cuz they all believed they would have beat the spurs with home court advantage. in other news, WDFN reported that the orlando magic offere kelvin cato and a 1st round pick for carlos arroyo and darko milicic... i'd pass... I'd give them Arroyo as a mere gift! I haven't given up on Darko just yet though. I'm more worried about the Spurs winning at this point then I am about the Pistons losing - but one way or another they do need that homecourt! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hito 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2006 Hey, can't be giving away players for free. Arroyo for a dollar and a bag of pucks sounds about right. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
johnogrodnickfanclub 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2006 the orlando magic are trying to move steve francis as part of a move to facilitate the arrival of carlos arroyo...cuz if they kept arroyo and francis, they'd have too many pg's. so this trade is seriously a possibility...the magic REALLY want it to happen and are taking steps... i really don't understand this trade for the pistons... i mean, we don't need kelvin cato...another center, do we? we got our big men in sheed, ben, dice, dale davis, and of course darko. what the heck do we need another lowpost big for? or are we just so fed up with darko that we just want the 1st round pick the magic are offering in addition to cato? i don't like it... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
betterREDthandead 58 Report post Posted February 14, 2006 the orlando magic are trying to move steve francis as part of a move to facilitate the arrival of carlos arroyo...cuz if they kept arroyo and francis, they'd have too many pg's. so this trade is seriously a possibility...the magic REALLY want it to happen and are taking steps... i really don't understand this trade for the pistons... i mean, we don't need kelvin cato...another center, do we? we got our big men in sheed, ben, dice, dale davis, and of course darko. what the heck do we need another lowpost big for? or are we just so fed up with darko that we just want the 1st round pick the magic are offering in addition to cato? i don't like it... Kelvin Cato would be about $8.5 million worth of cap space. Dumars would shake hands with the Magic on the trade and be waiving Cato bye-bye with the other. A little something extra for signing Ben Wallace with, as well as for signing the first-rounder they'd now have from Orlando. And the Magic suck, so unless the pick is protected up to a certain point, it'll be a nice high one. A lottery one for sure. Basically look at it like this: We free up playing time for Lindsey Hunter by dumping Arroyo, who I think does a decent job, but nothing Hunter couldn't do (and less defense besides). Darko's not playing anyway, so the thing to do there is cut the losses and head back to the draft with a lottery pick from a crummy team to try again. Plus cap space for signing Big Ben, obviously it would be the stupidest thing in the world to let him walk. As a small added bonus, Acker, Maxiell, and Johnson get a little extra practice time against the big boys and move up slightly in the pecking order. And where the Magic would be picking, man, you can find some good stuff in the draft up that high. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dallas27 7 Report post Posted February 14, 2006 We do not need any more bigs. Unless Lindsey starts to get a ton of time we need a dependable back up pg Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
johnogrodnickfanclub 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2006 the orlando magic are trying to move steve francis as part of a move to facilitate the arrival of carlos arroyo...cuz if they kept arroyo and francis, they'd have too many pg's. so this trade is seriously a possibility...the magic REALLY want it to happen and are taking steps... i really don't understand this trade for the pistons... i mean, we don't need kelvin cato...another center, do we? we got our big men in sheed, ben, dice, dale davis, and of course darko. what the heck do we need another lowpost big for? or are we just so fed up with darko that we just want the 1st round pick the magic are offering in addition to cato? i don't like it... Kelvin Cato would be about $8.5 million worth of cap space. Dumars would shake hands with the Magic on the trade and be waiving Cato bye-bye with the other. A little something extra for signing Ben Wallace with, as well as for signing the first-rounder they'd now have from Orlando. And the Magic suck, so unless the pick is protected up to a certain point, it'll be a nice high one. A lottery one for sure. Basically look at it like this: We free up playing time for Lindsey Hunter by dumping Arroyo, who I think does a decent job, but nothing Hunter couldn't do (and less defense besides). Darko's not playing anyway, so the thing to do there is cut the losses and head back to the draft with a lottery pick from a crummy team to try again. Plus cap space for signing Big Ben, obviously it would be the stupidest thing in the world to let him walk. As a small added bonus, Acker, Maxiell, and Johnson get a little extra practice time against the big boys and move up slightly in the pecking order. And where the Magic would be picking, man, you can find some good stuff in the draft up that high. oh crap! that actually makes a lot of sense. me stupid. but i don't want a lottery protected pick from orlando! i want their 1st round next year, period! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
betterREDthandead 58 Report post Posted February 14, 2006 According to the Detroit News, the pick, as discussed by Dumars and Orlando, would not be protected through the whole lottery, but up to around fifth or seventh. Right now, Orlando is fifth worst, but of course, the lottery shakes up the order somewhat. A team can't fall further than three slots, so eighth is the worst they could be if the season ended today. Orlando needs this deal more than Detroit does. The Pistons already have enough cap space to keep Ben happy - that's why they made the Corliss-for-Derrick Coleman deal last year. And there's plenty of teams they could trade Darko to for more cap space. The Magic, meanwhile, want Steve Francis out of town pronto and that's easier to do if they have Arroyo. Cato has been hurt all year and is worthless to them. And as with all protected picks, the Pistons don't simply lose the pick if it's protected - it rolls over to next year with less protection. The Pistons don't need a first rounder next year (they don't currently have one), because they've got three very young guys already that they like to develop. Bottom line of all that is that the Pistons have the chips in this deal and can work Orlando into a corner on the issue of protecting that pick. Hell, all Joe D. has to do is say: "Me, 41-9. You, 19-30. Status quo: good for me, bad for you." It'd be great to fall into a nice top-10 pick, and Joe D. knows how to do it. Wouldn't J.J. Redick or Rudy *** look sharp in a Detroit jersey? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aussie_Wing 354 Report post Posted February 15, 2006 I don’t want to believe that these trade rumors are correct. I believe Darko will be a great player in this league, and I don’t want to see him go so easily. During the off season we rejected a trade that would have sent us Harrington in exchange for Darko. That would have given us 10+ points off the bench, but instead we refused to deal Darko. Skip forward 4 or 5 months, after Darko lead the NBA in shot blocking during the pres season, and after 3 long seasons we’re suddenly going to pack it up, and trade him for someone that we probably won’t use? It just doesn’t make sense, I know we’ll get some salary cap relief, but it’s not good enough. I wouldn’t be prepared to trade him for so little in return. I couldn’t care less what happens to Arroyo, but as far as I’m concerned Darko must stay. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
