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#21 BringDMacBack

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Posted 01 December 2005 - 04:22 PM

And come Ottawa with an early exit and up against the cap and Chara wanting more money. Well with Nick retired we have the cash to lure him here. And why would not want to play for the Wings? And why in the hell would we want Leetch who just returned from a MCL injury? There are better D men out there for the money. Chara would be a pretty good fit here as would McCabe or Salo. You have to start thinking salary cap hockey now. So in the spirt start looking around the leauge at who can pick up right now with 1.3 million and Mark Mowers. If anyone here wants to admit it or not Fischer is done for the year if not forever. The only thing we will do D wise is get a warm body in that slot. Wonder if Lilja has a brother?

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#22 fightfan24

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Posted 01 December 2005 - 04:51 PM

"The mind is a terrible thing to waste -- or to not have a mind..." -- Dan Quail

#23 bringback91

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Posted 05 December 2005 - 03:01 PM

QUOTE (fightfan24 @ December 1, 2005 - 05:51PM)
"The mind is a terrible thing to waste -- or to not have a mind..." -- Dan Quail

Exactly, so why are you quoting DAN QUAIL? blink.gif

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Posted 06 December 2005 - 04:44 AM

QUOTE (ARice89 @ December 1, 2005 - 03:22PM)
And you think theyd give us Sturm, Samsonov, and Leetch for Datsyuk?

For that matter, you think theyd give us Sturm, Samsonov, and Leetch (guys all considerably younger than Lidstrom, other than Leetch, and have longer contracts for less money) for Lidstrom?

Come on.

Essentially, the Bruins wouldve traded Thornton, Sturm, Samsonov, and Leetch for Lidstrom, Primeau, and Stuart.

Let me see this addition..

Boston/San Jose-actual trade: Thornton/Sturm+Primeau+Stuart
Detroit/Boston-proposed trade: Lidstrom/Sturm+Samsonov+Leetch

So Boston trades away Thornton, Samsonov, and Leetch to get Lidstrom, Primeau, and Stuart.

Thornton--Lidstrom...fair deal.
Samsonov--Stuart...fair deal.

Leetch--Primeau
Ok, so the basic variance in whether Boston comes out ahead or not is whether you would make the Brian Leetch/Wayne Primeau swap, and from which side?

Boston comes out just fine...a little weakened up front but damn strong on defense. And probably better overall.
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Posted 06 December 2005 - 05:24 AM

NO!!!

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Posted 06 December 2005 - 06:34 AM

you know bringback91 you've done amazing things here for this forum and message board. We should have an award for you or something. Any ideas out there?
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Posted 06 December 2005 - 10:32 AM

umm...NO!

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Posted 07 December 2005 - 09:07 AM

QUOTE (Seth @ December 6, 2005 - 07:34AM)
you know bringback91 you've done amazing things here for this forum and message board. We should have an award for you or something. Any ideas out there?

Well, you know I just state my opinions and ideas. Theres pleanty of threads that people don't agree with. Im not trying to do anything amazing for anyone or anything. Snide remarks seems to be all you can bring so, yeah I got an idea for a award. How about for 1 whole day, your forced to talk s..t to someone's face instead of over the computer. I think you might be a little more considerate and a little less of a smartass. By the way go back and read eva units post. The trade makes sense. I said in the begining it's just an idea, just cause you don't agree with it doesn't make it right or wrong. Don't worry though you can still wear your #5 jersey and keep all your Nick posters on your wall. And I'll go back to school so I can learn how to add all these pearls of wisdom that you so often and boldly bring to this website. I'll try to mold my self after your style and make all my opinions just like yours. That should be a great website. We'll all have the same opinion and make sure that our posts are both earthshatering revolations and prophetic. Cause they have to be if were to all be like you huh Seth?

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Posted 07 December 2005 - 11:04 PM

What are you talking about. "Don't freak out, it's just an idea". I really don't understand how that is even a logical idea dude. Okay, Leetch is good, but he's getting to the end of his career. His injuires this year has really slowed him down. Lidstrom has more hockey left in him than Leetch. Did you even watch him in Toronto? He's not the same. Holland would be the dumbest guy in the league if he offered Lidstrom for Leetch. Strum will cost to much. You must not understand how Boston works. Boston is a cry baby city that asks for damn near everything. I'll say it early here, but when you trade with Boston, be ready to give up more than an equal trade. Samsonov is not a realistic idea either. Grant that he's good, but he's not as good as the rest of the league thought he'd be, and he's slowing down. He'll also be a free agent next season, and think about how much money he'll be asking to be signed anywhere because of his stellar rookie season. And why in the world would you even think about bringing Slegr back? Slegr's career went downhill the year before he arrived in Atlanta. He's was so lucky to become a Wing that one year. To even bring him back would be a joke. Also, keep in mind that Lidstrom has a $10 million contract. No one is going to take that money, and I don't think there is any club right now that can afford to take his contract with the salary cap. His $10 million contract will turn every other club away from wanting to trade for him. He's also been a longtime Wing, and there is no reason in the world to ever trade him.

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Posted 07 December 2005 - 11:23 PM

While reading everyone else, I want to add this after my last. DO NOT REPLY EVERYTIME SOMEONE SAYS SOMETHING TO YOU. THINK ABOUT WHAT THEY SAY. YOU ARE NOT ALWAYS RIGHT. You sound like a prick dude. I'm sorry, but really, think about the trades your saying. Lidstrom, Lang, and Williams to Columbus for Fedorov, Nash, Foote, and the other forward. Common dude. Think real here. Why in the world would Columbus make that trade. That would totally destroy their goal for this season of what they are trying to occomplish. And those three to Philadelphia for Forsberg, Mike, and another defenseman. Dude get real. There is no way that Philadelphia would give up Forsberg. If you don't like Lidstrom dude, fine. That's cool. But most of us members do. So therefore, don't talk crap about trading him if you can't back it up correctly. There are certain reasons not to trade him. 1) He makes to much money, and teams don't want to trade for that. 2) If he gets traded, it'll be Holland's head. 3) He's a fan favorite, and he's been a Wing his whole career, so he'll stay a Wing. Think about this before responding, and if you do, it should be not tomarrow, but within the next two to three days.

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Posted 08 December 2005 - 09:21 AM

Thanks for the pointers, but it's tough to have disscussions with people if I don't respond. As far as sounding like a "prick". Not totally uncalled for since I've made some comments on here (since apologized for) I shouldn't have made. Kind of like the one you just made. Theres no need to talk down to me like your high and mighty. I don't answer to you, and it is just an idea. Maybe just go and read the posts a little more carefully. I don't hate Lidstrom and I've already said that. The trade "ideas from inside my head, no sources or even rumors" for the most part would work out in the money aspect. Since were giving out pointers maybe you shouldn't speak for the whole site next time either. Chill out dude, it's nothing more than a bunch of IM's. I am thinking real, it's Hollands head if the wings bomb out of the playoffs again. I simply said "shop him around", fan favorites don't mean as much as they used to, to a GM. I've seen a whole lot of fan favorites (captains) being moved this year. Anyway, just an idea don't freak. p.s. 10 mil is a pre cap figure.

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Posted 08 December 2005 - 10:12 AM

I like Lidstrom, too, but he hasn't made the offensive impact he used too (and I haven't exactly been following him, but I know people will freak out over this). I've never liked Forsberg, but he's a big grinder/scorer; Lidstrom costs too much, but so does Forsberg. Who're Detrtoits prospects? Other than Datsyuk and Zetterberg, Howard... I'd like to see a high caliber young guy, someone like Eric Staal for Lidstrom.

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Posted 08 December 2005 - 10:28 AM

QUOTE (Earthhuman @ December 8, 2005 - 11:12AM)
I like Lidstrom, too, but he hasn't made the offensive impact he used too (and I haven't exactly been following him, but I know people will freak out over this). I've never liked Forsberg, but he's a big grinder/scorer; Lidstrom costs too much, but so does Forsberg. Who're Detrtoits prospects? Other than Datsyuk and Zetterberg, Howard... I'd like to see a high caliber young guy, someone like Eric Staal for Lidstrom.

That's what I was saying. A package with Lids will get you basically whatever you want. I wasn't saying he was bad, cause if he was you wouldn't get anything for him. It's the exact opposite, he's really good and every team would want a player like him.

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Posted 08 December 2005 - 10:31 AM

Point taken, and sorry for being an ass. At least give me credit for owning up to it. I wasn't trying to sound all might over you. That's just a reading mistake that all people accidently do around the world with what they think the other person's tone of voice is. I looked at what you said again, and I now wonder, in your opinion, is there any other team if Holland were to trade Lidstrom that "you" would like to see him trade to instead of Boston? Maybe Ottawa or Calgary? I know Calgary may be a bad choice, because the team always gives up hell, but what do you think? The Philadelphia idea still seems far fetched, but the idea is right. Hey, if we could pull of the Columbus trade that people were thinking, maybe it would work. Maybe getting rid of Williams is not such a great idea though.

Oh, and I wasn't trying to answer to you. I'm sorry that you got that impression of me. I was just commiting and being very detailed, because that's how I am. So therefore, it comes out that way.

How about this, take my two or three questions, and if you want, let me know about them?

Sorry to piss you off and get on the wrong foot.

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Posted 08 December 2005 - 10:41 AM

QUOTE (fatcat6 @ December 8, 2005 - 11:31AM)
Point taken, and sorry for being an ass. At least give me credit for owning up to it. I wasn't trying to sound all might over you. That's just a reading mistake that all people accidently do around the world with what they think the other person's tone of voice is. I looked at what you said again, and I now wonder, in your opinion, is there any other team if Holland were to trade Lidstrom that "you" would like to see him trade to instead of Boston? Maybe Ottawa or Calgary? I know Calgary may be a bad choice, because the team always gives up hell, but what do you think? The Philadelphia idea still seems far fetched, but the idea is right. Hey, if we could pull of the Columbus trade that people were thinking, maybe it would work. Maybe getting rid of Williams is not such a great idea though.

Oh, and I wasn't trying to answer to you. I'm sorry that you got that impression of me. I was just commiting and being very detailed, because that's how I am. So therefore, it comes out that way.

How about this, take my two or three questions, and if you want, let me know about them?

Sorry to piss you off and get on the wrong foot.

It's cool. I know some of the trade "ideas" were far fetched, I was just tring to say Lids would be the biggest trade in a long time, and the wings would definitly get some big time players in return. As far as which team, for the wings sake I would hope it would be an Eastern team. Maybe work on something with the Rangers (playoff contender). He would definetly have to go to a contender. Ottawa might actually be a great fit also.

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Posted 08 December 2005 - 10:44 AM

From a business perspectivce he's chewing up most the budget. You could have 3 quality players instead of one of him. Yes he's a great p[layer, but love for the player should not overshadow the good of the company. I brought this up at the beginning of the year and everyone was coming after me with torches and a noose.
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Posted 08 December 2005 - 10:46 AM

QUOTE (TimeBinder @ December 8, 2005 - 11:44AM)
From a business perspectivce he's chewing up most the budget. You could have 3 quality players instead of one of him. Yes he's a great p[layer, but love for the player should not overshadow the good of the company. I brought this up at the beginning of the year and everyone was coming after me with torches and a noose.

Yeah, I know the feeling. huh.gif

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Posted 08 December 2005 - 12:36 PM

QUOTE (TimeBinder @ December 8, 2005 - 09:44AM)
From a business perspectivce he's chewing up most the budget. You could have 3 quality players instead of one of him. Yes he's a great p[layer, but love for the player should not overshadow the good of the company. I brought this up at the beginning of the year and everyone was coming after me with torches and a noose.

From a business perspective you also need to take the "everyone was coming after me with torches and a noose" into consideration. He's a beloved fixture on a successful team. Lidstrom helps make Ilitch money and helps Holland/Babcock win games.

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Posted 08 December 2005 - 12:39 PM

QUOTE (norrisnick @ December 8, 2005 - 01:36PM)
From a business perspective you also need to take the "everyone was coming after me with torches and a noose" into consideration. He's a beloved fixture on a successful team. Lidstrom helps make Ilitch money and helps Holland/Babcock win games.

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True, he definently helps make money, but I don't think the Wings have much trouble in the making money department. Besides, I know he's obviously very popular, but I don't think they sold 7.6 million in Lidstrom jerseys this year.

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Posted 08 December 2005 - 02:33 PM

QUOTE (bringback91 @ December 8, 2005 - 11:39AM)
QUOTE (norrisnick @ December 8, 2005 - 01:36PM)
From a business perspective you also need to take the "everyone was coming after me with torches and a noose" into consideration.  He's a beloved fixture on a successful team.  Lidstrom helps make Ilitch money and helps Holland/Babcock win games. 

peace

True, he definently helps make money, but I don't think the Wings have much trouble in the making money department. Besides, I know he's obviously very popular, but I don't think they sold 7.6 million in Lidstrom jerseys this year.

And he also hasn't been completely worthless on the ice so as to necessitate $7.6M in jersey sales to make him "worth it."

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