The Griffins

[Seth 0]

So we all know GR is off just to a hell of an amazing start. But if you look at the roster you'll notice a more youth oriented team, which normally doesn’t happen. Through looking at our youth one must wonder how many are actually NHL bound or have a greater chance of making it than the others? It was for this reason that I create this particular poll.

My answer would be the following:

Jiri Hudler (Even though I am not a big fan, he has non the less literally lit up the AHL scoreboard. And know Holland will not take the advantage of this trade bait)

Valtteri Filppula (though small in stature, he works his a$$ off and does his best to not get knocked down. Nearly made the Wings roster at camp.)

Kyle Quincey (Could possibly be our next Lidstrom, if not oh well he’ll then pan out to be a 2nd line defenseman that can put up points and help quarterback the power play.)

Jimmy Howard (we already got rumors of him on these boards staying as a permanent Red Wing this season. We’ll all knew he would be good, but did anyone really think he would this good so quick?)

Ryan Oulahen (Ya I know he’s not having an impressive year but don’t count him out yet. He’s a hell of a player and I think he’s just needs another year of seasoning in the AHL. I’m pulling for him this year but I could see him feeling over shadowed and a bit misplaced as this is his first pro year.)

and that isn't even counting McGrath or Kindl who are taking names for the Rangers.

[Heaton 1]

I'm gonna go with 1-3 unless guys like Cleary and Samuelsson begin to really suck. I feel that when we lose Yzerman, Chelios, Shanahan, Lidstrom ect.. We're still going to bring in more veterens to fill those voids, I don't think we'll try doing a rebuild of any sort. So, probably Hudler, Howard and Filppula will be up here, but I don't think Quincey will be here on a regular basis next year just yet.

[Seth 0]

oh I didn't mean by next year sorry my bad. Sh*t also spelled the topic wrong....ahh should slow down on the wake and bake. Alright well you get what IM sayin. I think your right Heaton I don't see the Wings rebuildin. They'll bring in another string of vets the good news if this truly is say the last year of Chelly, Yzerman, Shanny, Woolley and possibly Lids then well have some much needed room to lock up Chara in a 3-5 year deal which would be sick as sh*t. Crap we might not even need to shop for a goaltender if we get lucky and Howard breaks out. Which would leave more room to land something this organization hasn't had in a long time..... actual Power Forward!!!!!! But who knows only the play of the puck will tell.

Edited December 4, 2005 by Seth

[Heaton 1]

Ah, well, if we're just not talking about next year I could see at least 5 or maybe 7 eventually making it. They won't all make an impact, but they have the skills to make a team.

[redwings1914 18]

Wow, Seth and Heaton getting along once......... i kid, i kid.

I could see Hudler, Flippula, Quincey, Howard, Bootland, Oulahen, Meech and Kopecky up here one day...

[Seth 0]

Wow, Seth and Heaton getting along once......... i kid, i kid.

hey im tryin to play nice here...in fact the last couple of posts heaton has made around the boards ive actually agreed alot with what hes been saying.

[Seth 0]

I could see Hudler, Flippula, Quincey, Howard, Bootland, Oulahen, Meech and Kopecky up here one day...

Smart pick in Booter I totally forgot there...but Meech and Kerpunky. I guess I just don't see it.

[eva unit zero 271]

Bonello, Keller, Jackson, Richards, Wilson, Amadio are the guys I think probably will not make an NHL team.

Hudler, Kopecky, Filppula, McDonell, Manlow, MacLean, Bootland, Helmer, Quincey, MacIntyre, Himelfarb are the guys who have either made a roster in the past or I think have an excellent shot.

The other guys are somewhere in between, with a chance at making it down the line, but they are either just not good enough or getting too old as a minor leaguer to be given the grade of probable.

[sjradio 0]

Well, we all know that Hudler, Filppula, and Quincey got a call. Lebda's been up for a while.

But I think Ellis would be ready for a shot in Detroit.

I also think that Kopecky is deserving of a shot in Detroit, he's really worked hard this season, 10 goals so far this season and he's hitting and making plays and he's hustling all over the ice.

[Wings_Rule_1010 4]

At least three (Hudler, Filppula, Howard), it all just depends on how long it takes (whether Chelios and Yzerman retire).

Edited January 7, 2006 by Wings_Rule_1010

[fightfan24 0]

I just hope they recall Bootlandstrom and sign Big Snakeula...

[Scott R Lucidi 675]

What does your line up look like for the upcoming season for Grand Rapids?  

Gotta have Danielson at top line center, no?

[Axl Foley 334]

Kinda hard to do when the roster is not set yet.

Maze-Daniel-Shine

Soda-Lambo-Hanas?

[kipwinger 8,754]

15 hours ago, Scott R Lucidi said:

What does your line up look like for the upcoming season for Grand Rapids?  

Gotta have Danielson at top line center, no?

The Griffs let Czarnik walk, which I think suggests one of Danielson or Kasper will be the 1C. But I don't think Nate is the guy this year. My take is that many fans don't realize how hard the AHL is, especially at center. Those are HARD minutes and Nate isn't ready for them yet. At least, he's not ready to play those minutes CORRECTLY yet. Kasper is. He was an absolute force in the Calder Cup playoffs and I fully expect him to be the 1C with Danielson and Lombardi as the 2nd and 3rd line centers (in whichever order). Obviously this changes if one of these guys has an insane training camp and preseason.

On a similar note, check out these highlight packages for Danielson and our new prospect Ondrej Becher. Obviously highlight packages only show the good stuff, so all caveats are applicable here, but what I really like is how they both excel at things that are transferable. Nate's passing is sneaky good and his wrister is super accurate. Becher's one timer (especially on the powerplay) is wicked and his skating and effort are excellent. The fact that both these guys can play defense as well shouldn't be a knock on their offensive abilities. I'm excited about both players quite a bit.

 

 

[Scott R Lucidi 675]

2 hours ago, kipwinger said:

The Griffs let Czarnik walk, which I think suggests one of Danielson or Kasper will be the 1C. But I don't think Nate is the guy this year. My take is that many fans don't realize how hard the AHL is, especially at center. Those are HARD minutes and Nate isn't ready for them yet. At least, he's not ready to play those minutes CORRECTLY yet. Kasper is. He was an absolute force in the Calder Cup playoffs and I fully expect him to be the 1C with Danielson and Lombardi as the 2nd and 3rd line centers (in whichever order). Obviously this changes if one of these guys has an insane training camp and preseason.

On a similar note, check out these highlight packages for Danielson and our new prospect Ondrej Becher. Obviously highlight packages only show the good stuff, so all caveats are applicable here, but what I really like is how they both excel at things that are transferable. Nate's passing is sneaky good and his wrister is super accurate. Becher's one timer (especially on the powerplay) is wicked and his skating and effort are excellent. The fact that both these guys can play defense as well shouldn't be a knock on their offensive abilities. I'm excited about both players quite a bit.

 

 

Great Takes.  

One thing I'm always looking for in these "highlight" videos are plays outside of the power play.  Watching that Copp video in the other thread, he says something that absolutely rings true - if you're not logging 1st unit power play time, you're missing 15-25 points a season that would be there if you were.  So when you see these prospects, and every single highlight is of them on the power play, you need to take it with a grain of salt.  What you want to look for is the guy that beat a defender 5 on 5 and made the defender take the penalty that put the team on the power play.  That's why I'm such a HUGE BROBERG FAN (if you haven't noticed).  While his draft was happening, I watched his highlight film, and half of his highlights were him making great plays in his own end and then making quick transitions to get his team from defense to offense.  That's what you want to see.  Do you need a power play guy that can rip 98 mph shots from the point and QB great passes to the wings?  Sure.  Not saying you don't want one guy on your bench like Bouchard.  But you also want 5 other defensemen on your bench like Nurse and Broberg.  For forwards, you want to see highlights that showcase forechecking/winning one on one battles/hitting/great skating.  If all the highlights are of a guy tapping in rebounds on the power play (Michael Rasmussen, Filip Zadina, Joe Veleno), then that prospect is going to bust out hard at the pro level as a goal scorer and need to recreate himself.  Sometimes that can be a real good thing 6-7 years down the road with a lot of hard work, but better to look for the guy that already knows he has to play hard 5 on 5 and knows how to grind.  The SCAM has excelled on draft day in selecting players that fit the mold of just needing size and not mentality.  Outside of Larkin, Holland didn't fare too well with his selections in the 2010's in this regard.  

[kipwinger 8,754]

7 minutes ago, Scott R Lucidi said:

Great Takes.  

One thing I'm always looking for in these "highlight" videos are plays outside of the power play.  Watching that Copp video in the other thread, he says something that absolutely rings true - if you're not logging 1st unit power play time, you're missing 15-25 points a season that would be there if you were.  So when you see these prospects, and every single highlight is of them on the power play, you need to take it with a grain of salt.  What you want to look for is the guy that beat a defender 5 on 5 and made the defender take the penalty that put the team on the power play.  That's why I'm such a HUGE BROBERG FAN (if you haven't noticed).  While his draft was happening, I watched his highlight film, and half of his highlights were him making great plays in his own end and then making quick transitions to get his team from defense to offense.  That's what you want to see.  Do you need a power play guy that can rip 98 mph shots from the point and QB great passes to the wings?  Sure.  Not saying you don't want one guy on your bench like Bouchard.  But you also want 5 other defensemen on your bench like Nurse and Broberg.  For forwards, you want to see highlights that showcase forechecking/winning one on one battles/hitting/great skating.  If all the highlights are of a guy tapping in rebounds on the power play (Michael Rasmussen, Filip Zadina, Joe Veleno), then that prospect is going to bust out hard at the pro level as a goal scorer and need to recreate himself.  Sometimes that can be a real good thing 6-7 years down the road with a lot of hard work, but better to look for the guy that already knows he has to play hard 5 on 5 and knows how to grind.  The SCAM has excelled on draft day in selecting players that fit the mold of just needing size and not mentality.  Outside of Larkin, Holland didn't fare too well with his selections in the 2010's in this regard.  

Agreed. And this is exactly what I think most fans are missing when they view Marco Kasper's stat line. The dude is an absolute beast at even strength, and wins almost every shift he takes. You absolutely HAVE to ice a lot of these type guys to win the depth game. Look at the clip below.

This is more or less what killed Edmonton in the finals. With Draisaitl injured McDavid had to win games more or less by himself. And to his credit he did win three of them. But anytime he wasn't on the ice Florida controlled the play, and guys like Evan Rodriquez absolutely killed them because they won every puck battle and therefore dominated possession. That's why shot based "possession" metrics are so misleading. Guys that do nothing to gain possession of the puck can still grade out very well assuming they get easy zone starts and fire the puck a lot. A better metric for "puck possession" would be to look at 50/50 pucks and board battles and see how often players or teams come away with possession. Of course, that would be way harder to measure than counting shots so analytics types don't bother.

[Scott R Lucidi 675]

3 hours ago, kipwinger said:

Agreed. And this is exactly what I think most fans are missing when they view Marco Kasper's stat line. The dude is an absolute beast at even strength, and wins almost every shift he takes. You absolutely HAVE to ice a lot of these type guys to win the depth game. Look at the clip below.

This is more or less what killed Edmonton in the finals. With Draisaitl injured McDavid had to win games more or less by himself. And to his credit he did win three of them. But anytime he wasn't on the ice Florida controlled the play, and guys like Evan Rodriquez absolutely killed them because they won every puck battle and therefore dominated possession. That's why shot based "possession" metrics are so misleading. Guys that do nothing to gain possession of the puck can still grade out very well assuming they get easy zone starts and fire the puck a lot. A better metric for "puck possession" would be to look at 50/50 pucks and board battles and see how often players or teams come away with possession. Of course, that would be way harder to measure than counting shots so analytics types don't bother.

Spot on.  Why I'm actually a bit disappointed with the Debrincat signing at this point.  His possession metrics are fantastic, but I feel like he does very little to actually drive the play from our end to the opponent's end.  Not enough to deserve Larkin type money.  I think Lucas Raymond does a far better job in that regard than Debrincat.

[Jimmybigrigs69 367]

18 hours ago, Scott R Lucidi said:

Spot on.  Why I'm actually a bit disappointed with the Debrincat signing at this point.  His possession metrics are fantastic, but I feel like he does very little to actually drive the play from our end to the opponent's end.  Not enough to deserve Larkin type money.  I think Lucas Raymond does a far better job in that regard than Debrincat.

Debrincat reminds me of Jeff Skinner. Good brain, good legs, good shot, terrible with the puck on his stick. 

[Scott R Lucidi 675]

9 hours ago, Jimmybigrigs69 said:

Debrincat reminds me of Jeff Skinner. Good brain, good legs, good shot, terrible with the puck on his stick. 

I just don't like the fact that he's not MADE to hustle 5 on 5.  Great, you're awesome on the Power Play.  ***** Great, Alex.  How about working on your 5 on 5 game?  Cuz you suck 5 on 5.  Larkin's doing all the work.  And if we play a team that has talent, you're useless.  How about some strength training this offseason and some actual effort during the regular season, big Al?  

[Jimmybigrigs69 367]

1 hour ago, Scott R Lucidi said:

I just don't like the fact that he's not MADE to hustle 5 on 5.  Great, you're awesome on the Power Play.  ***** Great, Alex.  How about working on your 5 on 5 game?  Cuz you suck 5 on 5.  Larkin's doing all the work.  And if we play a team that has talent, you're useless.  How about some strength training this offseason and some actual effort during the regular season, big Al?  

Dick is too smol

[Scott R Lucidi 675]

2 hours ago, Jimmybigrigs69 said:

Dick is too smol

He's not alpha, right?  Got this weird thing going on with cats and tattoos.  Definitely soy beta 

[Akakabuto 1,842]

Tattoos are really ***

[Jimmybigrigs69 367]

14 hours ago, Akakabuto said:

Tattoos are really ***

Pure skin is cool now. Everybody and their brother has regard garfield trattoos. No one cares. 

[Scott R Lucidi 675]

On 7/20/2024 at 7:35 PM, Jimmybigrigs69 said:

Pure skin is cool now. Everybody and their brother has regard garfield trattoos. No one cares. 

Exactly

[Axl Foley 334]

What are you gonna do about your tat that says "Bottom"?

Edited July 24, 2024 by Axl Foley