Detroit interested in Marleau

[Heaton 1]

Heh, could've sworn you had Kronwall in there.

[norrisnick 1]

Calgary gets too much.

San Jose gets too much junk for Marleau.

We get Kobasew and give up too much. WAY too much.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

I beg to differ... is it because Marleau shows up in the playoffs?.......Shanny used to

They both are good for AT LEAST 25-30 goals a season

They both have size and a touch of grit

They both make the same salary

must I continue?

Ummm, sorry friend, you are talking about the current Shanny and not a young Shanny.

The young Shanny, which played in St.Louis was one of the toughest players in the league and could and would fight anybody in the NHL. He was a big time goal scorer, hitter and probably the best power forward in the sport. Patrick Marleau's game has never been nor will ever be like a "young Shanny's"

You should change your statement to he is like a current version of shanny. Of course then the argument would be why would we want that since so many people here bitched and moaned about Shanny's style of game.

Must I continue?

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

I could not express how happy I would be if this trade did happen. I dont really care whether is hudler or grigs that gets thrown in, I WANT THIS GUY!

He is like a young shanny, and that is exactly what this team needs

However I am worried about the s*** that Holland will inevitably get from the Datsyuk slappies. I like Dats as much as the next wings fan, but he has worn out his welcome by not showing up at critical times. We all know that next summer he is going to want Lidstrom money, and the ONLY way I could ever see that being reasonable is if he wins the Conn Smythe. And I apologize to some of you, but that has as much of a chance of happening as Gordie Howe coming out of retirement.

If this trade goes down, I will pledge my allegience to Ken Holland

Man, I have to ask you.....what drugs are you taking? I don't care how addictive they are or if they'll kill me but whatever it is you're taking I gotta get me some of that!

If we could do a Datsyuk for Marleau straight up it might be a good idea considering Datsyuk is a potential salary nightmare next season. However, Marleau put up the same numbers Dats did and the last time I checked player agents were going after cash and loads of it based upon comparison to other players. What makes anyone think Marleau ain't gonna want big time money eventually either? Still, a swap is not a bad idea IMO.

Continuing, sorry to burst your Marleau bubble but the guy doesn't have the natural creative gifts of Datsyuk, he just doesn't. Not many players do. Secondly, on some pretty good Sharks teams Marleau has been a minus player for 3 years straight.

As for the playoffs i'm nearing the end of my rope with Dats. He's got one more shot IMO. But in all honestly Datsyuk is going to be the superior performer for the next 5 years. I'd bet anybody any reasonable amount of money that in 5 years Datsyuk will have left Marleau in the dust. That being said (and here's where the drugs must've come into play) to throw in Hudler or Grigorenko or any other potential top 2 line player in addition to Datsyuk and/or a 1st round pick is so ridiculously over the top and so much overpayment I can't even begin to think of a comparison.

Dats for Marleau straight up, not a bad idea but i'm not ready to do it. Dats and Grigs or Hudler/1st rounder for Marleau?

Like I said, what drugs are you taking and can you get me some?

[Barnes52 0]

Ummm, sorry friend, you are talking about the current Shanny and not a young Shanny.

The young Shanny, which played in St.Louis was one of the toughest players in the league and could and would fight anybody in the NHL. He was a big time goal scorer, hitter and probably the best power forward in the sport. Patrick Marleau's game has never been nor will ever be like a "young Shanny's"

You should change your statement to he is like a current version of shanny. Of course then the argument would be why would we want that since so many people here bitched and moaned about Shanny's style of game.

Must I continue?

Shanahan arguably will go down as the best power forward to ever play the game. Scratch that, he WAS the best power forward to ever play the game except for Gordie Howe (although they weren't called "power forwards" back then). But if you include Howe, than Shanny was second best, Neely a distant third

Edited September 8, 2006 by Barnes52

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

Shanahan arguably will go down as the best power forward to ever play the game. Scratch that, he WAS the best power forward to ever play the game except for Gordie Howe (although they weren't called "power forwards" back then). But if you include Howe, than Shanny was second best, Neely a distant third

1. Howe

2. Shanny

3. probably Neely

Good choices!

Would we consider Kevin Stevens and Rick Tocchet as early modern era power forwards?

[norrisnick 1]

Man, I have to ask you.....what drugs are you taking? I don't care how addictive they are or if they'll kill me but whatever it is you're taking I gotta get me some of that!

If we could do a Datsyuk for Marleau straight up it might be a good idea considering Datsyuk is a potential salary nightmare next season. However, Marleau put up the same numbers Dats did and the last time I checked player agents were going after cash and loads of it based upon comparison to other players. What makes anyone think Marleau ain't gonna want big time money eventually either? Still, a swap is not a bad idea IMO.

Continuing, sorry to burst your Marleau bubble but the guy doesn't have the natural creative gifts of Datsyuk, he just doesn't. Not many players do. Secondly, on some pretty good Sharks teams Marleau has been a minus player for 3 years straight.

As for the playoffs i'm nearing the end of my rope with Dats. He's got one more shot IMO. But in all honestly Datsyuk is going to be the superior performer for the next 5 years. I'd bet anybody any reasonable amount of money that in 5 years Datsyuk will have left Marleau in the dust. That being said (and here's where the drugs must've come into play) to throw in Hudler or Grigorenko or any other potential top 2 line player in addition to Datsyuk and/or a 1st round pick is so ridiculously over the top and so much overpayment I can't even begin to think of a comparison.

Dats for Marleau straight up, not a bad idea but i'm not ready to do it. Dats and Grigs or Hudler/1st rounder for Marleau?

Like I said, what drugs are you taking and can you get me some?

Marleau is locked up at $4M for this year and the next. Datsyuk's 1st UFA year (next season) will give him a headstart that Marleau likely will never catch up to, financially.

Marleau doesn't have Pavel's 'natural creative gifts' but he has more than enough to be an effective and productive player. Marleau and Datsyuk are about even as far as regular season offensive production. From there things just get silly skewed in Patrick's favor.

Pavel's playoff stats

42 gms 3 G 12 A 15 Pts

Marleau's during the same time span

40 gms 23 G 14A 37 Pts

Marleau is the better player. Easily. Tossing in a decent prospect or high pick (1st is a bit high) is what it would take for Wilson to even consider it.

[Barnes52 0]

1. Howe

2. Shanny

3. probably Neely

Good choices!

Would we consider Kevin Stevens and Rick Tocchet as early modern era power forwards?

Oh yeah, they're up there also for sure. But it's a shame how people forget the Brendan Shanahan of old, he was a force. The Wings will miss his presence on the ice. Yes, I was one of the biggest bellyachers about Shanahan and his lack of physical play, but when he drove to the net and skated into scrums, he never found too many takers.

Edited September 8, 2006 by Barnes52

[RyanBarnes! 293]

That's right Barnesy, which is why the Wings may have to part with Kronwall in order to land him. They need defense (Sharks)

I was pondering a Datsyuk + Kronwall for Marleau + Carle trade earlier, but Carle is a great prospect and he had a terrific debut last season. That said I'm not convinced the Sharks would do it, however Kronwall should be ready to log more ice time than Carle at this point. That would be a plus to the Sharks. Then again, Kronwall is awfully close to be labeled injury-prone already. Thoughts?

[Barnes52 0]

I was pondering a Datsyuk + Kronwall for Marleau + Carle trade earlier, but Carle is a great prospect and he had a terrific debut last season. That said I'm not convinced the Sharks would do it, however Kronwall should be ready to log more ice time than Carle at this point. That would be a plus to the Sharks. Then again, Kronwall is awfully close to be labeled injury-prone already. Thoughts?

Kronwall is more physical, therefore I'd take Kronwall. But you're right about the "injury prone" label

[Lou_Siffer 1]

Sharks get - Kronwall, Hudler and prospect or draft pick

Wings get - Marleau, Barret Jackman

St Louis gets - Datsyuk

?????

I would do cartwheels (or at least attempt them) if that were to happen

[Mighty Wings 0]

I was pondering a Datsyuk + Kronwall for Marleau + Carle trade earlier, but Carle is a great prospect and he had a terrific debut last season. That said I'm not convinced the Sharks would do it, however Kronwall should be ready to log more ice time than Carle at this point. That would be a plus to the Sharks. Then again, Kronwall is awfully close to be labeled injury-prone already. Thoughts?

I'm actually confused about something. They want a defenseman back, yet they have mclaren, hannan, ehroff, carle, jorges as their top 5 and a couple more above average def. prospects. Whats wrong with that? Almost any team in the league would rather have such a defense-corps. But if they still want a defenseman, IMO we should attempt a 3-way deal, as the d-man would be provided from the 3rd team to SJ.

Also by getting Marleau, It still leaves us with 3 centers, although for just 1 more yr.

Edited September 8, 2006 by Mighty Wings

[Bliz 0]

At first glance, I thought that Datsyuk, a pick, and Hudler or Grig was too high of a price. The more I think about it, the more I like it. His production would probably increase as our #1 center instead of being San Jose's #2. Even if he walked at the end of his contract, he's still under contract longer than Datsyuk--and really, is there any reason to believe Dats isn't going to test free agency?

Losing Hudler or Grigorenko might be cause for regret, but not for a few years down the road. McGrath, Filpulla and maybe even Emmerton might be just as good.

Bottom line, we'd be a better team for the next couple seasons.

[eva unit zero 271]

At first glance, I thought that Datsyuk, a pick, and Hudler or Grig was too high of a price. The more I think about it, the more I like it. His production would probably increase as our #1 center instead of being San Jose's #2. Even if he walked at the end of his contract, he's still under contract longer than Datsyuk--and really, is there any reason to believe Dats isn't going to test free agency?

Losing Hudler or Grigorenko might be cause for regret, but not for a few years down the road. McGrath, Filpulla and maybe even Emmerton might be just as good.

Bottom line, we'd be a better team for the next couple seasons.

Marleau would be going from being second behind one of the league's best to...being second behind one of the league's best. He may be an upgrade over Dats, but he's not as good as Hank.

[Production Line 1]

My only thought is it was REAL hard signing Dats this last time. If he has a stellar season he'll want the world. It would be hard to sign him and or trade him. So if we could trade and get good quality without the same scenerio, I'm all for it. I really hope he stays, but sign the extention then...I would not like to see us lose him for nothing...

[RyanBarnes! 293]

Kronwall is more physical, therefore I'd take Kronwall. But you're right about the "injury prone" label

So, does this mean you wouldn't make the deal? The Datsyuk for Marleau swap must be balanced, Kronwall and Carle might do it.

[TNBT 3]

I would do cartwheels (or at least attempt them) if that were to happen

Now THAT is something that I'd pay to see.

[norrisnick 1]

So, does this mean you wouldn't make the deal? The Datsyuk for Marleau swap must be balanced, Kronwall and Carle might do it.

The problem with that is that Kronwall could very well become the best player involved in the trade. He already has higher trade value than Datsyuk, IMO. Nik isn't a balancer. He's a centerpiece.

[RyanBarnes! 293]

The problem with that is that Kronwall could very well become the best player involved in the trade. He already has higher trade value than Datsyuk, IMO. Nik isn't a balancer. He's a centerpiece.

I think you're underestimating Carle. He's just as promising as Kronwall was at his age. Kronwall however has a bit more experience, something that could benefit the Sharks. The Red Wings on the other hand could use a post season performer like Marleau.

[Barnes52 0]

I think you're underestimating Carle. He's just as promising as Kronwall was at his age. Kronwall however has a bit more experience, something that could benefit the Sharks. The Red Wings on the other hand could use a post season performer like Marleau.

Remove Kronwall, toss in Lebda and you have a deal....

[RyanBarnes! 293]

Remove Kronwall, toss in Lebda and you have a deal....

If you want something good, you gotta give up something good. Overall I think Detroit would be better off with Marleau/Carle than Datsyuk/Kronwall.

[norrisnick 1]

If you want something good, you gotta give up something good. Overall I think Detroit would be better off with Marleau/Carle than Datsyuk/Kronwall.

Take out Carle as well. Balance the inequity between Marleau and Datsyuk without creating another inequity by tossing in Kronwall that then needs to be balanced by Carle.

[HenryMalredo 2]

I could not express how happy I would be if this trade did happen. I dont really care whether is hudler or grigs that gets thrown in, I WANT THIS GUY!

He is like a young shanny, and that is exactly what this team needs

However I am worried about the s*** that Holland will inevitably get from the Datsyuk slappies. I like Dats as much as the next wings fan, but he has worn out his welcome by not showing up at critical times. We all know that next summer he is going to want Lidstrom money, and the ONLY way I could ever see that being reasonable is if he wins the Conn Smythe. And I apologize to some of you, but that has as much of a chance of happening as Gordie Howe coming out of retirement.

If this trade goes down, I will pledge my allegience to Ken Holland

There is absolutely no way San Jose is going to trade Marleau.

[RyanBarnes! 293]

Take out Carle as well. Balance the inequity between Marleau and Datsyuk without creating another inequity by tossing in Kronwall that then needs to be balanced by Carle.

Forget about balancing a Datsyuk for Marleau deal without giving up something substantial. Datsyuk on his own has virtually no value to the Sharks. Overall I say my suggestion is a fair deal for both parties, but if you have a better suggestion -let's hear it. Edited September 9, 2006 by RyanBarnes!

[norrisnick 1]

Forget about balancing a Datsyuk for Marleau deal without giving up something substantial. Datsyuk on his own has virtually no value to the Sharks. Overall I say my suggestion is a fair deal for both parties, but if you have a better suggestion -let's hear it.

I don't think the Sharks have any intentions whatsoever to trade their captain and best playoff performer. He'd be great to have but the Wings cannot afford to trade Kronwall for him (and Carle is taking a couple steps backwards in having to repeat a couple years of development). If a sweetener along the lines of Grigorenko/McGrath/2nd rd pick/etc... isn't enough to bump up from Datsyuk, then I don't think there's a trade there to be had.