Detroit Lions Offseasn Thread

[mannysBETTER3434 1]

I would love that move if the Lions can pull it off. I think Peterson and Quinn are the only players I DON'T want the Lions to draft.

I totally agree. When Quinn gets interviewed he reminds me way to much of Joey Harrington. He seems like he has a great attitude, and says all the things you want to hear, but every good team he played in college he got his butt whopped on. Plus we don't have a good offensive line. I don't want to take the chance with Peterson. Way more bad things could happen then good if we take him.....

[Airborn 0]

I was listening to sports radio, and they put out a rumor about the Lions. I can't see this rumor happening, but I thought I would share it.

Lions trade thier No. 2 pick to TB for Simion Rice, and TB's 4th overall pick. With the 4th pick we can still draft Gaines Adams.

I was reading Kowalski on MLive and he doesn't believe this rumor. In his opinion, Rice isn't worth enough (Age/Salary reasons) and that the Lions wouldn't have room for him anyway since they already signed White from Tampa Bay. This would leave them with White, Rice, and Adams at DE.

Also, in another article he says the Lions are wanting to pick up extra picks to move back into the first round, probably to get Patrickk Willis.

I think the Lions dream scenario would be to trade down, take Adams. Then use those extra picks from the trade to move back into the first round and get Willis. If Millen pulls that off, I'll be extremely impressed.

Here's the blog for anyone interested:

http://blog.mlive.com/lionsinsider/2007/04...ice_doesnt.html

Edit: Fixed link

Edited April 19, 2007 by Airborn

[timothy1997 0]

People forget that the Lions have actually had decent drafts during the Millen era.

Look at the 2002 draft. EVERYONE thought the Lions got the best player in Harrington. Biggest thing Harrington needed was a weapon. Thats why the 2003 draft was so good in the Lions got Joey the WR he needed in Rogers.

The 2004 draft was the best one by far in that the Lions got Roy Williams early and then traded up to grab one of the best RB in the draft in Kevin Jones. Awesome draft.

The 2005 draft got everyone thinking that with Rogers, Roy, and Mike catching the ball and Kevin running it. .how can the Lions be stopped.

2006 draft was the only one I wasnt too thrilled with but I understand the defense approach in the moves.

Bottomline is under the Millen era, the Lions have drafted players that the media and fans want them to. They get an A or a B on their drafts. Its taking that talent and turning them into wins is where they are failing miserably.

[mannysBETTER3434 1]

I would love Patrick Willis! Him and Sims would be a heck of a LB core along with Bailly

[Airborn 0]

People forget that the Lions have actually had decent drafts during the Millen era.

I don't know Timothy. I can't think of a single player past the 2nd round who's turned into anything. Even the 2nd round hasn't provided much other than Rogers.

I guess it's a, "chicken or the egg" scenario. Are we bad because we haven't developed players or because the players weren't good enough to be developed?

If Millen failed at anything, it was a failure to emphasize a strategy he believed in. I think he has that now with Marinelli, but it comes at a great price.

[BlakChamber 8]

I think what Timothy means is that the day after the draft, everyone looked back and said, "wow, the Lions did a pretty good job."

[Lou_Siffer 1]

I think what Timothy means is that the day after the draft, everyone looked back and said, "wow, the Lions did a pretty good job."

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Honestly, this is why its hard for me to just trash Millen. I continually like the moves that are made more often than not...so who am i to criticitize him to holy hell?

[Kp-Wings 3]

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Honestly, this is why its hard for me to just trash Millen. I continually like the moves that are made more often than not...so who am i to criticitize him to holy hell?

I usually can find ways to do it, what with the Lions always being so bad.

Though, I've got to admit, I give Millen props for getting rid of some of the cancers, most notably Dre Bly and James Hall. I think with that in place, the Lions might at the very least be better than 3-13.

My eyes will still be watching for the upcoming draft. I know I've seen a few that are anti-Brady Quinn, but I don't think I can watch another year of Jon Kitna. We'll wait and see.

[Airborn 0]

I think what Timothy means is that the day after the draft, everyone looked back and said, "wow, the Lions did a pretty good job."

I'd agree with that. Of course, everyone usually looks pretty good on draft day.

I reallly wanted to see Millen fired after the 2005 season. However, I will admit that I've liked the moves the past 2 years, and think we're finally moving in the right direction.

[timothy1997 0]

The Lions have made the big gamble. They have been active in the draft. The draft where they picked up Kevin Jones was pure gensis. To move up like that and get a steal is unbelievable. Lots of teams will just sit there and no do much.

[mannysBETTER3434 1]

I'm really starting to think the Lions will draft Johnson. IMO Johnson is a CAN'T MISS WR...I didn't think that about Rogers, and the Williams'....I thought they would be very good players, but not great like Johnson. Drafting him though doesn't really help our draft needs though.....

[BlakChamber 8]

You know that Brady Quinn, Joe Thomas, and Calvin Johnson are all praying the Lions don't draft them.

[Lou_Siffer 1]

You know that Brady Quinn, Joe Thomas, and Calvin Johnson are all praying the Lions don't draft them.

Honestly Brady Quinn has been coming off so arrogant (or just overconfident) lately that im pretty sure he actually would be really happy if the Lions took him. He just wants to go as high as possible no matter who the team.

[mannysBETTER3434 1]

Honestly Brady Quinn has been coming off so arrogant (or just overconfident) lately that im pretty sure he actually would be really happy if the Lions took him. He just wants to go as high as possible no matter who the team.

Let him have his fame...he will be a bust no matter where he goes

[rwfan007 18]

all they care about is money, getting the big contract that is loaded with bonuses, and oh yeah, the guaranteed cash in the signing bonus

[mannysBETTER3434 1]

New rumor from Kowalski....

Lions "bluffing" or actually thinking about taking Quinn, which scares the Browns. Browns trade their pick, plus a 2nd rounder to the Lions for the No. 2 pick. Lions may then trade it again to ATL for their 1st round pick, and 2 second round picks. We would then have four 2nd round picks.

With four 2nds we could take Stanton or Edwards, a D-line, and other positions. With ATL's pick we could draft Jamal Anderson, Levi Brown, or Leon Hall...all we could use.

[mannysBETTER3434 1]

An idea I had for drafting a QB that we could get in the 6th or 7th round: Matt Guiterrez. He would have started at U-M, but got hurt, and Henne took over. Gutz left for Idaho State. When this guy came to U-M I thought he was a Tom Brady clone. I still think that. If he would have started at U-M he would be around a 2nd or 3rd round pick IMO.

[Kp-Wings 3]

New rumor from Kowalski....

Lions "bluffing" or actually thinking about taking Quinn, which scares the Browns. Browns trade their pick, plus a 2nd rounder to the Lions for the No. 2 pick. Lions may then trade it again to ATL for their 1st round pick, and 2 second round picks. We would then have four 2nd round picks.

With four 2nds we could take Stanton or Edwards, a D-line, and other positions. With ATL's pick we could draft Jamal Anderson, Levi Brown, or Leon Hall...all we could use.

I gotta tell you, I'm liking these trades if they were to come to light. While I've been in some favor of getting Quinn, just because Kitna sucks, I like all those picks we'd be getting. Four 2nd round picks is great, and Atlanta's pick is somewhat high too, so it's not like the Lions would be getting screwed.

Given Millens one of few good qualities is that he makes good draft day trades. I'd love to see a trade like what you mentioned happened, since we'd have five high round picks for the taking.

[timothy1997 0]

my prediction is the Lions will draft Calvin Johnson and trade him to Tampa for Gaines Adams. Hopefully the lions will be able to get some 2nd rounders or future 1st rounders with that trade.

In the round 2, I would love to see the Lions draft the QB Trent Edwards. That kid is a stud and a steal in round 2.

Bulk up the line and sneak in some skilled players like Edwards and the draft will be fine by me.

[Airborn 0]

I'll be happy if we get Russell, Adams, or Willis.

I don't want to end up with Leon Hall or Calvin Johnson. As for Hall, I watched him his entire carreer at UM; He's good, not elite. As for Johnson, he may be the best player, but I don't think he'll help the Lions win more games. We need a lot of help on defense, and we already have 2 good wide receivers. Besides, WRs have a minimal impact on the game anyway.

I can't believe the Raiders are honestly thinking of passing on Russell. We better not pass on him, if he's there. If that happens, Millen should be immediately fired. A quarterback with Russell's skills comes along once every decade.

[Lou_Siffer 1]

I'll be happy if we get Russell, Adams, or Willis.

I don't want to end up with Leon Hall or Calvin Johnson. As for Hall, I watched him his entire carreer at UM; He's good, not elite. As for Johnson, he may be the best player, but I don't think he'll help the Lions win more games. We need a lot of help on defense, and we already have 2 good wide receivers. Besides, WRs have a minimal impact on the game anyway.

I can't believe the Raiders are honestly thinking of passing on Russell. We better not pass on him, if he's there. If that happens, Millen should be immediately fired. A quarterback with Russell's skills comes along once every decade.

I completely disagree with this, in fact, I think its second only to offensive line as being the most important position on offense. Good WR's have the ability to make an average QB look like a stud (Warner/Bulger for example)...even a guy with a noodle arm can hit guys who get wide open. However, the opposite is not true. You can have the greatest QB in the world, but if his receivers suck ass and cant get open it doesnt mean a thing! You dont have to look any further than the Lions with Schroeder, Hakim, Jefferson, Anderson, etc, etc, ETC!!!! These clowns were never getting any seperation, it didnt matter who was throwing them the ball, they had to throw a picture perfect pass every time or get it batted down.

Now dont take this as an endorsement for taking Johnson, as I think the Lions are in pretty good hands with Furrey and Williams. But you wouldnt hear me complaining if they did. I would however complain if they ended up taking Russell, I actually feel his bust chances are higher than Quinn's. Just have a feeling about him.

[TheDude 0]

The Lions should not pass on Calvin Johnson. CJ is an absolute can't miss franchise type player. Not to mention Millen doesn't exactly have a great track record in evaluating talent in the draft; Joey, Mike Williams, and Charles Rogers were all first round busts. One can happen to just about any GM, but three is a trend. His coaching choices have been far from stellar as well. Marty Morningweig and Steve Mariucci were both bad selections. The jury is still out on Marinelli, but I'm not holding my breath. Marinelli has decided to make Kitna his starting QB before the start of training camp. We're not talking about a future hall of famer...Kitna is a career journeyman for a good reason and should not be annointed starter. Whatever though. The Lions will likely remain a clusterf*** until Ford sells the team...which will be never.sigh.

[Airborn 0]

I completely disagree with this, in fact, I think its second only to offensive line as being the most important position on offense. Good WR's have the ability to make an average QB look like a stud (Warner/Bulger for example)...even a guy with a noodle arm can hit guys who get wide open. However, the opposite is not true. You can have the greatest QB in the world, but if his receivers suck ass and cant get open it doesnt mean a thing! You dont have to look any further than the Lions with Schroeder, Hakim, Jefferson, Anderson, etc, etc, ETC!!!! These clowns were never getting any seperation, it didnt matter who was throwing them the ball, they had to throw a picture perfect pass every time or get it batted down.

Good argument, but here's why I think WR is an overvalued position.

First, no matter how good the WR - they are slaves to the QB, offensive line, and the system as a whole. Just look at Randy Moss in Oakland. He's a top 5 player at his position, but he's completely worthless because the other components aren't there, whereas a QB like Peyton Manning would at least make them decent.

Second, even the great WRs only touch the ball 8-10 times a game. A quarterback touches it every offensive play. A running back 20-25 times. Even offensive linemen have an impact every play.

Finally, good WRs can be found in the later rounds much easier than other positions. Two examples of this are Marcues Colston and Mike Furrey who both went undrafted, yet they were 2 of the best WRs last year. When is the last time you saw a stud Defensive or Offensive Linemen undrafted?

I look at WRs as a dessert. It's something that should be enjoyed after the meal is finished. The Lions need impact players just about everywhere on their team, except WR where they already have 2. Taking a WR will help this team very little, even if that guy is a stud.

[Lou_Siffer 1]

KEEP HIM!!

[mannysBETTER3434 1]

Draft David Harris in the 2nd round Lions!