Yzerman food for thought

[Inultus 12]

It seems to be a really popular thing on LGW to bash Holland, but remember this:

1. Our team is one of the top in the league after a season where many predicted we would suck.

2. Yzerman is the VP and is working with Kenny on who gets signed, who gets traded and all that so a bash on Holland is an effectual bash on Yzerman as well, because I seriously doubt Holland would just ignore Yzerman's thoughts/wishes.

It's easy to second guess everything that management does and get bent out of shape, but with Stevie helping out, I'm at peace.

Edited February 9, 2007 by Inultus

[LEBDA22 0]

It seems to be a really popular thing on LGW to bash Holland, but remember this:

1. Our team is one of the top in the league after a season where many predicted we would suck.

2. Yzerman is the VP and is working with Kenny on who gets signed, who gets traded and all that so a bash on Holland is an effectual bash on Yzerman as well, because I seriously doubt Holland would just ignore Yzerman's thoughts/wishes.

It's easy to second guess everything that management does and get bent out of shape, but with Stevie helping out, I'm at peace.

i agree 100%

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

I see your point, and I'm definitely happy Stevie is involved.

But:

1) People here predict the Wings would suck every year. Holland has done a good job keeping that from happening, except come playoff time.

2) I don't think Holland would ignore Yzerman's wishes, but I'm not certain exactly how involved Stevie is yet, and in what capacity. His opinion right now is one of many to Holland, not the final say.

[Curban915 0]

I think they are going to make the right moves this year i just dont know if this wings team is the team to win it all.

[drwscc 212]

I can't imagine that Stevie would be pushing Forsberg as far as trades. Forsberg would be a good fit, but he addresses none of the needs of this team. We need a hitting (Forsberg's not) gritty (Forsberg's not) winger (Forsberg's not).

[RyanBarnes! 293]

Errr, Holland hasn't really made any changes for this upcoming season except to sign Markov. Babcock is the main person behind this season's result. Not Holland.

I'll bash Yzerman too if I have to, but most of the heat Holland takes is for stuff he did or didn't do in the past. Yzerman started his position this season. Besides, I think you grossly overrate Yzerman's role, based on the fact that he was a great captain. Holland didn't listen to Yzerman when he asked for more toughness as a captain, why should he listen now?

[wingnut129 0]

It seems to be a really popular thing on LGW to bash Holland, but remember this:

1. Our team is one of the top in the league after a season where many predicted we would suck.

2. Yzerman is the VP and is working with Kenny on who gets signed, who gets traded and all that so a bash on Holland is an effectual bash on Yzerman as well, because I seriously doubt Holland would just ignore Yzerman's thoughts/wishes.

It's easy to second guess everything that management does and get bent out of shape, but with Stevie helping out, I'm at peace.

Your so right! I get so sick of people on this site bashing Kenny. He's done a damn good job, and he's been one of the best GM's (if not the best) since he's taken over.

[BlakChamber 8]

While I think Yzerman will do well in a front office job, given his lack of experience, I'd hardly call him a safety net for Kenny screwing up. Who knows what Yzerman's actual role is right now.

And besides, being a good player doesn't mean you automatically succeed at other aspects of hockey.

[swedishconnection 36]

While I think Yzerman will do well in a front office job, given his lack of experience, I'd hardly call him a safety net for Kenny screwing up. Who knows what Yzerman's actual role is right now.

And besides, being a good player doesn't mean you automatically succeed at other aspects of hockey.

This is YZERMAN we are talking about here. Not Gretzky.

[BlakChamber 8]

This is YZERMAN we are talking about here. Not Gretzky.

Point?

[Inultus 12]

I see the points about the possibility of Yzerman not being as successful in the office, and also us not knowing his true role and the extent of his influence.

However, I for one think that since Yzerman had some influence on recruiting in the past, he will continue to be successful in that arena. I also think that his role has much to do with trades/recruits/drafts, otherwise why hire an ex-player? You could say that it was for PR, and I suppose that is possible, but I doubt it.

Also, for whoever said that Yzerman wouldn't pursue Forsberg, we can't even talk about that since there isn't any hard evidence that the Wings have pursued Forsberg is there?

[Kp-Wings 3]

Point?

I think he's trying to say that Gretzky is a bad coach. Which is very true.

Yzerman's role right now, given whatever job qualities are supposed to come with it, is somewhat limited. Holland, for all intensive purposes, may listen to Yzerman and think about what he says, but he's not going to pull the trigger based directly on what he says. He's on a limited scale right now, so whatever happens won't be a direct result from Yzerman.

Edited February 10, 2007 by Kp-Wings

[bcwingsfan19 0]

I am not a Holland-basher. I never will be either. I think he is a good GM.

[LeftWinger 5,153]

I think he's trying to say that Gretzky is a bad coach. Which is very true.

Yzerman's role right now, given whatever job qualities are supposed to come with it, is somewhat limited. Holland, for all intensive purposes, may listen to Yzerman and think about what he says, but he's not going to pull the trigger ased directly on what he says. He's on a limited scale right now, so whatever happens won't be a direct result from Yzerman.

...not correcting anyone here, but isn't funny how we say words so fast tht they begin to sound like a completely different word? Sort of like when we come to that point in the aplhabet, you know which one, LMNOP. But the correct term is intents and purposes, but it always comes out sounding like intensive. Ok, back to topic...

....Gretzky does suck as a coach/gm and anything else that doesn't include the word "center" in it. I hope that Steve stays behind the scenes, because if he ever took on a Coaching or GM role, I'd hate to see him get fired. As we all know the Coach is the first to go, no matter how bad the team is...

...not to say that he wouldn't make a great coach or gm but they all eventually get fired somewhere down the road. Unless your name is Bowman or Holland...

[Kp-Wings 3]

...not correcting anyone here, but isn't funny how we say words so fast tht they begin to sound like a completely different word? Sort of like when we come to that point in the aplhabet, you know which one, LMNOP. But the correct term is intents and purposes, but it always comes out sounding like intensive. Ok, back to topic...

You got me there.

[Barrie 900]

With all due respect to our guy Stevie, I don't think he's had anything to do with the succes this year. Last I read he was saying how much he's been learning from Holland.

Kenny, Jimmy D, Babcock, and the players should be given the credit for the season so far.

[betterREDthandead 58]

Just 'cause Stevie's been involved with the front office doesn't make the front office immune from criticism. And just because Stevie was God on the ice and in the locker room doesn't make him immune from criticism in the office. What it means is that Stevie gets the benefit of the doubt to start off, and that we all believe he'll do a good job based on the smarts he displayed on the ice. If Stevie takes over as GM and in three years turns the Wings into the Jackets, the name of Yzerman won't protect him from well-earned criticism as a GM.

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

It seems to be a really popular thing on LGW to bash Holland, but remember this:

1. Our team is one of the top in the league after a season where many predicted we would suck.

2. Yzerman is the VP and is working with Kenny on who gets signed, who gets traded and all that so a bash on Holland is an effectual bash on Yzerman as well, because I seriously doubt Holland would just ignore Yzerman's thoughts/wishes.

It's easy to second guess everything that management does and get bent out of shape, but with Stevie helping out, I'm at peace.

1. Whether a majority on here thought we'd just completely suck is up for debate, but I definitely was expecting a down year somewhat. Not missing the playoffs or anything like that, but my expectations were a bit lower than normal.

2. As probably stated in here already, Yzerman still is getting his feet wet in the business/managerial position, despite all those years of experience on the ice and the people he's met, including fellow athletes, coaches, general managers, and so forth. I definitely see what you are saying and Yzerman is the man for all he's done for the Red Wings, but it's not like Yzerman is an expert behind the desk after 3/4 of just one season.

I'm no Holland slappie, he's definitely not my favorite person, but some of the criticism he has gotten on here in the past has gone a bit off the deep end.