Mighty Wings 0 Report post Posted February 20, 2007 (edited) This is obviously a tough one. If holland is serious about getting him, its obvious that if he tanks it in the couple of games it will scare everyone off, dragging down his value. But if he does play very well or not great but Good enough, the number of suitors will rise and the current asking price will be elevated. The most ideal scenario would be something like, if he ends up getting limited ice time and doesn't really show enough for other teams to gauge his overall play. Edited February 20, 2007 by Mighty Wings Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Born in the Red and White 0 Report post Posted February 20, 2007 Huh? Do you think his astounding talent will turn off in the playoffs based on what you can glean from <7mins a night? OK... Look at it this way. Hudler for Bertuzzi might be a great deal if Bert can help us get it done this year. But as for his chances of staying in Detroit beyond this year?? I'd say slim to nil, and even that probabley closer to the nil. Don't get me wrong I'd love to see us get another cup, but in the long run, we are gonna have to get some grit around here... Someone that has grit and that we can resign. As for all of this "talent" we have, yeah we do have some great prospects, but they are just that prospects, until proven otherwise. And even so if they are so great, and mile ahead of Hudler, then why didnt he try and send him back to GR and bring one of them up instead. If im thinking right now I say go ahead trade some of that "talent" for Bert, and this is coming from a guy that said that Big Bert should not only be kicked out of the League but also be tossed in jail for the criminal act he committed on Steve Moore. Yeah, he said he was sorry, but then again if he is so great why would Vancouver have given him up? Him and Naslund were suppposedly the real deal together?? On my next note While I am right now advocating trading for Bert, and I would even be alright with giving up Hudler for him Holland needs to address a big man THIS offseason. We can carry on a franchise throwing away talent for 3 month rentals every season come playoff time... I say go for it if Florida will take Hudler straight up Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
betterREDthandead 58 Report post Posted February 20, 2007 Huh? Do you think his astounding talent will turn off in the playoffs based on what you can glean from <7mins a night? Do you think that 7 minutes a night will be enough for him to make a significant impact in the playoffs? Hudler seems exactly the sort of player who would disappear like a snowball in the fire come the postseason. Undersized, iffy skater. The Wings are knocked every minute on this board for not being built for the playoffs, not enough grit, etc. etc. Rex is a prime candidate to fall victim to this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Majsheppard 203 Report post Posted February 20, 2007 Okay, I didn't read the whole thread, but is there any thing else they want? Hudler for Bert is a great trade off if straight up. I agree that Hudler might be good in the near future, but there could be alot more demanded for Bertuzzi. A fourth liner for a second liner? Sounds good to me. At least you wouldn't be selling the farm. Plus we could always make another move to get something else possibly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cr00d 26 Report post Posted February 20, 2007 Trade Hudler for Bertuzzi as soon as Bertuzzi shows he's healthy. No question. I dont think Hudler will ever live up to his potential. He's extremely skilled, and shoots the puck exeptionally well, but the kid can't skate worth a damn. And in case I'm wrong, and Huds turns out to be a superstar, wouldn't you all much rather he play out East for the Panthers, than out West for the Blues??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Majsheppard 203 Report post Posted February 20, 2007 Trade Hudler for Bertuzzi as soon as Bertuzzi shows he's healthy. No question. And in case I'm wrong, and Huds turns out to be a superstar, wouldn't you all much rather he play out East for the Panthers, than out West for the Blues??? Very good point. If we can trade Hudler for Bert straight up, and get Smyth too? Should we do it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted February 20, 2007 Just nitpicking for no reason...but if Adbelkader were the next Shanahan, he would be one of the top power forwards in the game. So i dont get the whole criticizing Holland for not taking a PF part. I'll rephrase; Left Winger said Abdelkader now is better than Hudler was at the same point, and implied that would continue to be true. It has been shown over and over that Hudler has consistently been better than Datsyuk at comparable points in their careers. Assuming LW's logic of 'continue to be true' that must mean Hudler WILL be better in the next six years than Datsyuk was over the past few years. So, by the transitive rule, Abdelkader would be a physical player whose overall ability would be SIGNIFICANTLY greater than Datsyuk in his prime. Shanahan was the most obvious choice that fit this description. Holland has been criticized ruthlessly by those who felt he should have drafted a certain potential power forward instead of Abdelkader. So that means that either the criticism is way off base and Holland drafted a top PF prospect in Abdelkader, OR that LW's assessment of Hudler's ability is quite distant from reality. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted February 20, 2007 Do you think that 7 minutes a night will be enough for him to make a significant impact in the playoffs? Hudler seems exactly the sort of player who would disappear like a snowball in the fire come the postseason. Undersized, iffy skater. The Wings are knocked every minute on this board for not being built for the playoffs, not enough grit, etc. etc. Rex is a prime candidate to fall victim to this. I think Huds NEEDS more then 7 mins to show his worth- he deserves a chance to place some solid minutes and get the experience now when he's young. I can't help but think that if the Wings gave their youngins some more resposibility they'd see them actually develop quicker. Is it really so suprising that all the great wings talent seems to pop up at age 25ish? Or could that be because they don't get a chance to see some real ice time unitl they're 24ish? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mudvayneowns91 0 Report post Posted February 20, 2007 Trade Hudler for Bertuzzi as soon as Bertuzzi shows he's healthy. No question. I dont think Hudler will ever live up to his potential. He's extremely skilled, and shoots the puck exeptionally well, but the kid can't skate worth a damn. And in case I'm wrong, and Huds turns out to be a superstar, wouldn't you all much rather he play out East for the Panthers, than out West for the Blues??? Not everyone reaches their peak performence at the same time. A player like Jason Blake who is 34 has had his best season 05-06 with 57 pts and now the current 06-07 is on pace to break it with 50 pts in 59 games. I understand there's not much of a correlation between the two, but it does prove that players hit their potential at different times. That being said, if Hudler does end up sucking, I'd rather trade him while people still think he is worth something. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted February 20, 2007 (edited) Huh? Do you think his astounding talent will turn off in the playoffs based on what you can glean from <7mins a night? Hudler has astounding talent? This is news to me. I think Huds NEEDS more then 7 mins to show his worth- he deserves a chance to place some solid minutes and get the experience now when he's young. I can't help but think that if the Wings gave their youngins some more resposibility they'd see them actually develop quicker. Is it really so suprising that all the great wings talent seems to pop up at age 25ish? Or could that be because they don't get a chance to see some real ice time unitl they're 24ish? Hudler needs full time minutes, but at whose price next season? Id rather see Filppula get the increased minutes and after Filppula (or in addition to Filppula) Id rather have it go to Grigs. Both those kids have more to offer than Hudler. By the time Filppula and Grigs are Hank and Dats age, we'll have a new couple of kids ready to join the big club. Theres always another reason to have valuable prospects, and thats to use them as trade bait. The Red Wings cant expect to win a lot of games - and thats not something Illitch will like to see - having 3 young kids in the lineup, unless they are malkin types. Edited February 20, 2007 by YoungGuns1340 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heroes of Hockeytown 694 Report post Posted February 20, 2007 Just to continue with the Florida theme... Gary Roberts says no to any deal not sending him to Toronto or Ottawa. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brad Isbister 0 Report post Posted February 20, 2007 We have to bring in a rental if we are serious about winning the cup. Think of it like this, if huds turns into a superstar we'll end up losing him to cap in the future. I'm not 100% sure, but aren't we kinda in that position with Dats? Does anyone know if Federov is on the block? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StaticWithABeat 0 Report post Posted February 20, 2007 Small, light, and slow...how many players matching that description make an impact in this league? I would experience spontaneous orgasms for a month if Holland got Bertuzzi for Hudler...that is absolute robbery. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingslogo19 281 Report post Posted February 20, 2007 Well i guess what was i thinking about getting Bert in a wings jersey when we can get Murray Notice the Sarcasim Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HenrikRules40 14 Report post Posted February 20, 2007 I would experience spontaneous orgasms for a month if Holland got Bertuzzi for Hudler...that is absolute robbery. Spontaneous orgasms? You know, that's an actual medical condition. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingslogo19 281 Report post Posted February 20, 2007 Spontaneous orgasms? You know, that's an actual medical condition. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Matt 1,049 Report post Posted February 20, 2007 Today I wouldn't trade Hudler for Bertuzzi. After a few games of watching him (Bert) play later this week, that might change. I know Jovanovski's been beating the "Bert to Phoenix" drum since last summer, but other than that has there been some giant reason that Bertuzzi *wouldn't* re-sign here in the summer if he thought the situation was right? Obviously, if he plays well and the back is healthy, there's a great fit for a player of his abilities here, and his contract shouldn't approach what his last one was worth. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingslogo19 281 Report post Posted February 20, 2007 Today I wouldn't trade Hudler for Bertuzzi. After a few games of watching him (Bert) play later this week, that might change. I know Jovanovski's been beating the "Bert to Phoenix" drum since last summer, but other than that has there been some giant reason that Bertuzzi *wouldn't* re-sign here in the summer if he thought the situation was right? Obviously, if he plays well and the back is healthy, there's a great fit for a player of his abilities here, and his contract shouldn't approach what his last one was worth. Your last sentence is bang on Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mudvayneowns91 0 Report post Posted February 20, 2007 Burtuzzi hasn't been good in 3 years now. You kinda have to wonder if the whole Steve Moore thing got to him mentally. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingslogo19 281 Report post Posted February 20, 2007 Burtuzzi hasn't been good in 3 years now. You kinda have to wonder if the whole Steve Moore thing got to him mentally. EVER HEARD OF CHANGE OF SCENERY Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mudvayneowns91 0 Report post Posted February 20, 2007 EVER HEARD OF CHANGE OF SCENERY I understand he's only played 7 games with Florida and there's not much to judge from. Call me conservative, but he's been known a headcase in the past and has shown signs of being unstable. But yes, I agree. There is much reward if he can become the player who scores like 45-50 goals a year Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ShanahanMan 473 Report post Posted February 20, 2007 i think it all depends on if Bertuzzi will be able to play before the trade deadline. If he can, and he shows he's still the tough, gritty, goal scorer he was a few years ago then FOR SURE i would trade Hudler for him in a second. But there's also a big possibility that he won't be able to play before the 27th and if thats the case, then NO TRADE SHOULD HAPPEN. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingslogo19 281 Report post Posted February 20, 2007 I understand he's only played 7 games with Florida and there's not much to judge from. Call me conservative, but he's been known a headcase in the past and has shown signs of being unstable. But yes, I agree. There is much reward if he can become the player who scores like 45-50 goals a year Well show me where he has been a known as a headcase in the past.. Yes he made a mistake in 04 we all know that Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Louisville 112 Report post Posted February 20, 2007 From TSN What could happen at the deadline could be a soft deal for Bertuzzi, something like a conditional draft pick deal where the pick would improve based on Bertuzzi's performance, the team's performance or if he re-signs with his new team. That may be the way to go... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mudvayneowns91 0 Report post Posted February 20, 2007 Well show me where he has been a known as a headcase in the past.. Yes he made a mistake in 04 we all know that That's a pretty big slip. No matter what he does or how well he plays, he's always going to be known for hitting Steve Moore from behind and dragging his head onto the ice. It may not be fair, but that's what he's known for. That's what I meant by headcase Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
