Simon pulls a McSorley

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

just saw it on sportscenter and melrose says he should be suspended the rest of the season which is only 15 games. i think bettman needs to make an example out of him and he should be suspended for 50 games. if he hit him hard enough with that stick and in the neck, who knows how bad it could of been

This is a prime example of an act that is completely beyond the code, the game of hockey itself. It'll be really interesting to see what his punishment is. I think he was stunned a bit but obviously he got lucky and didn't take that stick in the eye or anything. And likely, because of that Simon is going to walk with a far lesser punishment and far less notoriety and far less public scorn because Hollweg is prolly ok. This is another example of an incident that IMO is far worse than what Bertuzzi did yet because the victim skated away the league will f-up this punishment.

Here's a perfect opportunity for the league to make a true example out of Simon and suspend his ass for 50 games, including the playoffs and into next season. And you do it because of what he did, not because of the injuries maybe sustained by Hollweg. Punish the act right out of the game. Don't punish the act based on the severity of the damage it caused.

hey sibriak, did you see that? Intentional, premeditated attack to the face with a stick. You still want to punish guys based on the injury they inflict? If so, Simon ought to get like 5 games then cause Hollweg is likely fine. (i'm guessing at that at this point but he looked okay as he skated away)

[sibiriak 84]

This is a prime example of an act that is completely beyond the code, the game of hockey itself. It'll be really interesting to see what his punishment is. I think he was stunned a bit but obviously he got lucky and didn't take that stick in the eye or anything. And likely, because of that Simon is going to walk with a far lesser punishment and far less notoriety and far less public scorn because Hollweg is prolly ok. This is another example of an incident that IMO is far worse than what Bertuzzi did yet because the victim skated away the league will f-up this punishment.

Here's a perfect opportunity for the league to make a true example out of Simon and suspend his ass for 50 games, including the playoffs and into next season. And you do it because of what he did, not because of the injuries maybe sustained by Hollweg. Punish the act right out of the game. Don't punish the act based on the severity of the damage it caused.

hey sibriak, did you see that? Intentional, premeditated attack to the face with a stick. You still want to punish guys based on the injury they inflict? If so, Simon ought to get like 5 games then cause Hollweg is likely fine. (i'm guessing at that at this point but he looked okay as he skated away)

Sigh, I thought I answered this already. I don't have a reasoned opinion on the penalties NHL should levy for the dirty hits like this. My fan's emotional opinion is ban him for a year, to deter others. But I'm sure there's more that should go into consideration in determining the punishment. CBA, precedent, disciplinary record of the player and the like. I don't know what the rational reaction should be.

My problem with Bertuzzi lies outside hockey entirely. Because of the severe consequences of his on ice actions, his case goes into legal and moral realm outside hockey. What penalties NHL levied or not levied is not important in that realm.

Edited March 9, 2007 by sibiriak

[Kp-Wings 3]

Saw the video... I have to say that was horrible. I can't believe Simon was a guy that I was hoping the Wings would get too. What a classless prick!

[Heroes of Hockeytown 694]

"I think you've got something on your chin, riiiight there!

...Oops.

It's not what it looks like!"

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

sorry, double post

Edited March 9, 2007 by GordieSid&Ted

[LIDDYGIBBY5 1]

Simon has been suspended indefinitely according to the AP.

Should the Islanders have taken so action and de-activated him after the game? What would have happened if some on the Wings did that? Would the team act?

Edited March 9, 2007 by LIDDYGIBBY5

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

Sigh, I thought I answered this already. I don't have a reasoned opinion on the penalties NHL should levy for the dirty hits like this. My fan's emotional opinion is ban him for a year, to deter others. But I'm sure there's more that should go into consideration in determining the punishment. CBA, precedent, disciplinary record of the player and the like. I don't know what the rational reaction should be.

My problem with Bertuzzi lies outside hockey entirely. Because of the severe consequences of his on ice actions, his case goes into legal and moral realm outside hockey. What penalties NHL levied or not levied is not important in that realm.

"As I said, fair or not, the damage one causes by his illegal act determines the punishment. And should (IMO)."

That sounds like a reasoned, albeit brief opinion to me. You said it, I remembered it and that's why I asked you.

So what are you sighing for.

Although that statement seems to contradict what your 'emotions' are in that you say ban him for a year. Why? Hollweg is going to play in the Rags next game.

You think they should get suspended based on the injuries they inflict rather than the act itself. But then you want to ban Simon for year for causing Hollweg to have to get a few stitches. That's right, he's fine, TSN confirmed, he got a couple stitches and will play on Saturday. Hardly seems worth of a year long banishment based on your original quote.

I don't get it.

[Bender 0]

Dammit, this is just the kind of bad publicity the league doesn't need & the type of crap that crosses the line between just playing a tough game and losing control of your common sense.

This is exactly the problem with the NHL nowadays - the whole sequence should just have been settled it with a good ol' time hockey fight, but instead results in a situation with much more aggrevated consequences for the parties involved and even the rest of the league in general.

As a fan, I would basically just call it an unnecessary cheap shot that deserves a suspension for at least the rest of this season/playoffs.

As a hockey parent, I hate having to explain to my kids why they shouldn't take shots like that on other players - while at the same time worrying that other players might do that to them.

Like it or not, these pro athletes have a responsibilty as role models for the next generation of players and should be dealt with accordingly when incidents like this occur. It is unfortunate when a player excercises such poor judgement and takes an extreme action in the heat of the moment, but they must be held accountable in spite of themselves - especially in the case of a repeat offender.

[Dano33 41]

Id give him to the end of the 07-08 season to think about it.

[BlueMonk 102]

I really don't buy into the "bad publicity" thing. Controversy and violence attracts more viewers than it repels. In sports and in every other form of entertainment.

This was uncalled for by Simon and warrants a suspension, obviously. You can't swing a stick at a guy's head. Just drop the gloves and beat the crap out of him.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

I know I'm late in posting initial reactions, but that really makes me sick to see. :nonono:

He can and should be suspended for a long time.

[sibiriak 84]

"As I said, fair or not, the damage one causes by his illegal act determines the punishment. And should (IMO)."

That sounds like a reasoned, albeit brief opinion to me. You said it, I remembered it and that's why I asked you.

So what are you sighing for.

Although that statement seems to contradict what your 'emotions' are in that you say ban him for a year. Why? Hollweg is going to play in the Rags next game.

You think they should get suspended based on the injuries they inflict rather than the act itself. But then you want to ban Simon for year for causing Hollweg to have to get a few stitches. That's right, he's fine, TSN confirmed, he got a couple stitches and will play on Saturday. Hardly seems worth of a year long banishment based on your original quote.

I don't get it.

That's because I was answering a post about criminal and civil penalties. And there it matters, how much damage one's actions caused. And I agree with that.

On the other hand, making someone miss a few games (as in childeren games) because of something bad they did, is not a very seriuos matter. It is important to the guys involved, but not to me. So when I said that my emotional response was to ban Simon for a year, I meant it was my emotional opinion. So a "Why?" question is not really appropriate here. If I said that "after careful cosideration, and having familiarized myself with all the applicable facts, rules, and precedents, I think that Simon should be suspended for 27.5 games", then a why? question would be begging to be asked. But I don't have time or desire to delve into this matter any deeper than: He is a thug and an idiot, he should be punished appropriately and severely. Thank god, Hollweg is OK (as far as I know).

Edited March 9, 2007 by sibiriak

[wingslogo19 281]

Like my old hockey coach use to say to us.. A hockey stick should be used as a Tool, not a weapon

[Guest Don Corleone]

Id give him to the end of the 07-08 season to think about it.

And then disappear like McSorely.

[akustyk 84]

I'm into the camp for big suspension. I wish people who rule this league finally showed some balls and sent a message that this is unacceptable. fire Simon for the rest of this and next season. and be f* hard on any reckless crap which is done to players who 1) can't see the goon 2) are targeted to the head 3) with clear intent to injure.

first Neil, then this... about time to act. don't wait until some goon kills a valuable player on the ice. because without clear indication of real punishment for such crap, the league will gonna end this way

[e_mcgrath88 0]

Hollweg made racial remarks towards Simon and coach Ted Nolan previously in the game.. the hit put Simon over the edge. What Simon did was obviously wrong and inexcusable, but guys like Hollweg and Avery have it coming to them when they run around and piss people off and not drop the gloves....

Edited March 9, 2007 by e_mcgrath88

[commadore183 103]

Chris Simon's been suspended indefinately, pending a hearing:

http://www.nhl.com/nhl/app?articleid=29024...mp;service=page

[Guest Don Corleone]

Hollweg made racial remarks towards Simon and coach Ted Nolan previously in the game.. the hit put Simon over the edge. What Simon did was obviously wrong and inexcusable, but guys like Hollweg and Avery have it coming to them when they run around and piss people off and not drop the gloves....

Simon is no angel in that department either. A few years ago he made racial remarks at either Brashear or LaRaque.

[Airborn 0]

Ray Ferraro spoke about this on the Jim Rome show, where I thought he made some excellent points. I'll paraphrase:

- The initial hit Hollweg put on Simon (he boarded him) was a penalty and should have been called

- Hollweg is part of a growing number of players (he sighted Cam Jansen and a few others) who bring absolutely nothing to the game, run around like crazy, and basically have impunity from their actions since they don't have to fight (and in many cases won't)

- He believes this trend began with the implementation of the instigator rule; he also believes GMs are starting to see this trend, hense the increase in fighting this year and lessening of penalties involving the instigator rule

- With all this said, Ray still feels Simon's act was despicable and that he should be suspended for the rest of this season (including playoffs), at a minimum

[sibiriak 84]

Hollweg made racial remarks towards Simon and coach Ted Nolan previously in the game.. the hit put Simon over the edge. What Simon did was obviously wrong and inexcusable, but guys like Hollweg and Avery have it coming to them when they run around and piss people off and not drop the gloves....

Does the "Hollweg had it coming" remark mean that Simon was right to do what he did? Or did Hollweg had a fight coming, but not an assault with a deadly weapon?

[rwfan007 18]

this incident is just sad. any athlete in any sport should know better than to use the tool of a trade as a weapon. that shouldnt even cross a train of thought at all. Smarten up Simon, come on use your frickin head!

[Majsheppard 203]

This is a guy who shouldn't play hockey again.

[sibiriak 84]

This is a guy who shouldn't play hockey again.

I have a better idea. How about he gets Jack Nicholson as his anger management coach (like in that movie)

[GuloGulo 0]

Simon is no angel in that department either. A few years ago he made racial remarks at either Brashear or LaRaque.

Mike Grier

[HockeyCrazy3033 168]

I don't care what Hollweg said to Simon or whoever else, YOU DON'T USE YOUR STICK AS A WEAPON! Period. You wanna do something about it then be a man and drop the gloves. Nuff said.