Will Schneider be Back Next Season?

[superstarsingh 23]

We all talk about this supposed upgrade, who would it be? Frankly if we could keep Schneider for around 2.5-7 million then why not? He has expressed no desire to leave Detroit. He is a key part of our pp and even though he is a defensive liability most of the time he still has a plus rating. All in all, it depends on his price come June, if he wants to take a cut then he can stay, if not, good luck to which ever NY team he ends up with.

[Rice 42]

Hannan is 10 years younger, 2 inches and 30 lbs bigger, but he has -1 on a very good Sharks team, and only 22 pts, to Schneider's +11 and 50 pts. I'm not sure Hannan would be an equal replacement. And who would then be on point for the second PP unit?

EDIT - Is Hannan a UFA after this season?

And if Chelios opts to keep playing, he still will be available for fewer games next year, and he will have lost a few more steps off his skating speed, so it will be even harder for him to keep up, especially in even strength.

Hannan plays a much different role and a less redundant one. He's a defensive defenseman. Schneider sucked last year in the playoffs but put up good numbers. You have to look at more than the stat sheet. Schneider plays point on the first PP unit. One of the biggest reasons behind dumping Schneider would be getting Kronwall more PP time and developing into a top defenseman. Lidstrom and Kronwall would run the first unit. Markov is capable of playing point on the PP. Him and Lebda or Kindl could do it.

Hannan is a UFA after this season.

We all talk about this supposed upgrade, who would it be? Frankly if we could keep Schneider for around 2.5-7 million then why not? He has expressed no desire to leave Detroit. He is a key part of our pp and even though he is a defensive liability most of the time he still has a plus rating. All in all, it depends on his price come June, if he wants to take a cut then he can stay, if not, good luck to which ever NY team he ends up with.

Where do you get the idea he'd sign for $2.5-2.7 million? He's going to want more than he's making now and he'll get it. That's my guess at least. Our PP is average this season. I'd rather take a hit on the PP (or maybe not) by putting Kronwall on the first unit and acquiring a defenseman whose game is more suited for the playoffs.

Edited March 25, 2007 by ARice89

[eva unit zero 271]

Here is a list of notable UFAs this summer that either I think would be a good fit, or have been mentioned as players 'we want'. In parenthesis are Wings UFAs in the same categories. In bold are the players from each category I think the Wings should make first priority.

Defensive D (2--Markov, Chelios)

Scott Hannan, D

Cory Sarich, D

Vitaly Vishnevski, D

Chris Phillips, D

Offensive D (Schneider)

Kimmo Timonen, D

Andrei Markov, D

Brian Rafalski, D

Brad Stuart,D

Roman Hamrlik, D

Sami Salo, D

Sheldon Souray, D

Forwards (5--Lang, Bertuzzi, Calder, Datsyuk, Maltby)

Ryan Smyth, F

Scott Hartnell, F

Slava Kozlov, F

Joe Sakic, F

Teemu Selanne, F

Chris Drury, F

Daniel Briere, F

Bill Guerin, F

Keith Tkachuk, F

Ruslan Fedotenko, F

Peter Forsberg, F

Mike Comrie, F

Michal Handzus, F

Dainus Zubrus, F

Brad Isbister, F

Goalies (1--Hasek)

JS Giguere, G

Jamie McLennan, G

[jenova0 0]

The REAL problem is McCabe's ridiculous paycheck. Schneider & McCabe are pretty much carbon copies of each other, except for age. So Schneider should be expecting more than he's making now.

[eva unit zero 271]

The REAL problem is McCabe's ridiculous paycheck. Schneider & McCabe are pretty much carbon copies of each other, except for age. So Schneider should be expecting more than he's making now.

Jovo makes that much too.

And Schneider is the best of the three.

[Mila 0]

Chelios is going to be re-signed.

Schneider will probably cost more than $3.5 million. However, we have enough cap room to upgrade not just replace salary. Hannan is appealing and would cost around that most likely.

What makes you think:

1) Hannan is available after the season? (He's 28 years old, such players are not yet UFA)

2) Shark will let him walk?

[Heaton 1]

UFA starts at age 27.

[HockeyCrazy3033 168]

I'm hoping we re-sign Schneids. He's been a huge part of the Wings ever since we got him.

[eva unit zero 271]

UFA starts at age 27.

28 this summer, 27 is next year and forever after.

[Viperar 16]

I'm hoping we re-sign Schneids. He's been a huge part of the Wings ever since we got him.

i agree as far as our defense goes, hes second only to lids and maybe chelios...has some sloppy plays but puts pucks in nets....thats a ok in my book

[Viperar 16]

double post sorry

Edited March 25, 2007 by Viperar

[Rice 42]

What makes you think:

1) Hannan is available after the season? (He's 28 years old, such players are not yet UFA)

2) Shark will let him walk?

UFA age drops to 28 next season, as eva pointed out. He will be a free agent. I'm sure the Sharks want to re-sign him but I'm also sure that Edmonton wanted to re-sign Smyth. I'm just throwing his name out there. Anything can happen.

[Kp-Wings 3]

I would surely welcome Schenider back if he accepts something under 2 million. His offensive presence is important to our PP.

However, he is very bad in his own end. Anything above 2 million, and I might just say let him walk.

[eva unit zero 271]

I would surely welcome Schenider back if he accepts something under 2 million. His offensive presence is important to our PP.

However, he is very bad in his own end. Anything above 2 million, and I might just say let him walk.

Schneider is the best defenseman aviailable for under 4m. There is NOBODY who is better than him and will make less than that that is avilable as a UFA.

[BlueMonk 102]

They need to make an effort to sign him, if there's any way they can fit him in under the cap. We can complain about what he doesn't do, but what he does do is have a shot and contribute to the scoring from the blueline. Besides Lidstrom, they have nobody else who can do that.

[Viperar 16]

They need to make an effort to sign him, if there's any way they can fit him in under the cap. We can complain about what he doesn't do, but what he does do is have a shot and contribute to the scoring from the blueline. Besides Lidstrom, they have nobody else who can do that.

exactly

[theman19 47]

depends on what he wants to do honestly. If it's for the right price, he'll be back, if not one of our young guys could make it up.

What no one is saying here is if schneider isn't back you can almost bet lilly pads is back in the starting lineup

[TheLegend19 1]

I'd let Scheider walk and bring in someone solid for less money.

He's not worth of 3M a year.

Agreed. Bring in someone younger that's more solid for less money.

[Aeothe Kaear 0]

A guy of his offensive caliber is going to command more than $3m on the UFA market, methinks (and I wouldn't want him at that price anyway). Dump him, get someone who can skate and play defense.

[Zeke 5]

Agreed. Bring in someone younger that's more solid for less money.

Let's wait and see how the playoffs go.Kenny made some huge gaffes last year signing Lily pads and Samuelson before the playoffs began,only to realize he has overpaid.

It would be nice to bring up some young 'diamonds in the rough' defencemen and letting them develop.It seems to be a young man's game more now than ever.

Take a look at Buffalo,where do they find these kids that seem to fit in and contribute?

Thanks for the memories ,Schneids,but its time to say goodbye.

[eva unit zero 271]

A guy of his offensive caliber is going to command more than $3m on the UFA market, methinks (and I wouldn't want him at that price anyway). Dump him, get someone who can skate and play defense.

Who do you suggest that won't kill our cap?

There is no worthwhile defensive defenseman who is also a great skater available on the market. The only guy who is a noticeably better than Schneider in both departments that I can think of offhand is Scott Niedermayer, who makes better than 6m and is almost certainly unavailable.

And according to TSN, Schneider has been better than Niedermayer this season, statistically.

http://www.tsn.ca/fantasy_news/feature/?fid=10465

[Heroes of Hockeytown 694]

And according to TSN, Schneider has been better than Niedermayer this season, statistically.

http://www.tsn.ca/fantasy_news/feature/?fid=10465

According to Scott Cullen's player rankings, you mean. I would be wary to use that as source for any kind of objective comparison; his formula is a secret and weighted in ways we don't know. Much better to just jump to NHL.com and find the individual stats. I went ahead and did that:

Niedermayer has more goals, assists, points. Schneider has a better +/- (though they're comparable at a difference of three); Matt also has blocked more shots. They have an equal number of hits. Schneider has fewer giveaways and takeaways than Scott. Scott also plays about four more minutes per game than Matt.

Of course, stats are far and away the end all be all when discussing player quality, but these should give you a much better picture than Mr. Cullen's mysterious player rankings.

[zetterbergfuturemvp 0]

Here is a list of notable UFAs this summer that either I think would be a good fit, or have been mentioned as players 'we want'. In parenthesis are Wings UFAs in the same categories. In bold are the players from each category I think the Wings should make first priority.

Defensive D (2--Markov, Chelios)

Scott Hannan, D

Cory Sarich, D

Vitaly Vishnevski, D

Chris Phillips, D

Offensive D (Schneider)

Kimmo Timonen, D

Andrei Markov, D

Brian Rafalski, D

Brad Stuart,D

Roman Hamrlik, D

Sami Salo, D

Sheldon Souray, D

Forwards (5--Lang, Bertuzzi, Calder, Datsyuk, Maltby)

Ryan Smyth, F

Scott Hartnell, F

Slava Kozlov, F

Joe Sakic, F

Teemu Selanne, F

Chris Drury, F

Daniel Briere, F

Bill Guerin, F

Keith Tkachuk, F

Ruslan Fedotenko, F

Peter Forsberg, F

Mike Comrie, F

Michal Handzus, F

Dainus Zubrus, F

Brad Isbister, F

Goalies (1--Hasek)

JS Giguere, G

Jamie McLennan, G

like i said before id like kindl to take schneiders spot , if we have to go for someone , my pick would be brad stuart if he doesnt go back to the flames , he has a bad year overall cause he was with the bruins so his asking price can be reasonable ....he's 28 6'2 220pds , hes a fast skater can play somewhat offensivly can put up 30-40 pts a season, my other pick is cory sarich .....no way i see phillips leaving ottawa

as for forwards ....if datsyuk leaves i say we go after smyth if that doesnt work out id love chris drury, hes fast and hes a playoff killer, he comes to play in the post season , after those 2 i like michael handzus ......thats about it

[Kp-Wings 3]

Brad Isbister, who has for some reason been in the minors this year, would actually be someone I wouldn't mind having here. He can drop the gloves, and could replace Maltby if we don't bring him back. He has shown offensive touch before too, reaching the 20 goal mark a few times.

Edited March 25, 2007 by Kp-Wings

[eva unit zero 271]

According to Scott Cullen's player rankings, you mean. I would be wary to use that as source for any kind of objective comparison; his formula is a secret and weighted in ways we don't know. Much better to just jump to NHL.com and find the individual stats. I went ahead and did that:

Niedermayer has more goals, assists, points. Schneider has a better +/- (though they're comparable at a difference of three); Matt also has blocked more shots. They have an equal number of hits. Schneider has fewer giveaways and takeaways than Scott. Scott also plays about four more minutes per game than Matt.

Of course, stats are far and away the end all be all when discussing player quality, but these should give you a much better picture than Mr. Cullen's mysterious player rankings.

I simply brought that up to show that Niedermayer isn't worth twice what Schneider is.

As for the rankings, it's pretty clear points and plus-minus are big factors, and I have to believe from the rankings that it is based on per-game rather than overall total--Schneider would have 60 points on 13-47 if he had played 75 games at his current pace...one assist behind Nick and tied with Souray in points.

PIM and goals also seem to be involved. Boucher and Phaneuf ahead of Visnovsky proves this.