RedWingsFanatic 4 Report post Posted May 1, 2007 (edited) NHL Awards Finalists Announced CALDER MEMORIAL TROPHY â€Â¢ Award for outstanding rookie Evgeni Malkin, Pittsburgh Penguins Jordan Staal, Pittsburgh Penguins Paul Stastny, Colorado Avalanche FRANK J. SELKE TROPHY â€Â¢ Award for outstanding defensive forward Rod Brind'Amour, Carolina Hurricanes Samuel Pahlsson, Anaheim Ducks Jay Pandolfo, New Jersey Devils HART MEMORIAL TROPHY â€Â¢ Awarded to most valuable player to his team Martin Brodeur, New Jersey Devils Sidney Crosby, Pittsburgh Penguins Roberto Luongo, Vancouver Canucks JACK ADAMS AWARD â€Â¢ Award for outstanding coach Lindy Ruff, Buffalo Sabres Michel Therrien, Pittsburgh Penguins Alain Vigneault, Vancouver Canucks JAMES NORRIS MEMORIAL TROPHY â€Â¢ Award for outstanding defenseman Nicklas Lidstrom, Detroit Red Wings Scott Niedermayer, Anaheim Ducks Chris Pronger, Anaheim Ducks LADY BYNG MEMORIAL TROPHY â€Â¢ Awarded to player that displays sportsmanship and gentlemanly conduct Pavel Datsyuk, Detroit Red Wings Joe Sakic, Colorado Avalanche Martin St. Louis, Tampa Bay Lightning LESTER B. PEARSON AWARD â€Â¢ Awarded to the most outstanding player as voted by fellow NHLPA members) Sidney Crosby, Pittsburgh Penguins Vincent Lecavalier, Tampa Bay Lightning Roberto Luongo, Vancouver Canucks VEZINA TROPHY â€Â¢ Award for outstanding goaltender Martin Brodeur, New Jersey Devils Miikka Kiprusoff, Calgary Flames Henrik Lundqvist, New York Rangers Roberto Luongo, Vancouver Canucks 2 Red Wings get nominations: Lidstrom for the Norris, Datsyuk for the Lady Byng. Edited May 1, 2007 by RedWingsFanatic Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rick zombo 3,739 Report post Posted May 1, 2007 NHL Awards Finalists Announced VEZINA TROPHY • Award for outstanding goaltender Martin Brodeur, New Jersey Devils Miikka Kiprusoff, Calgary Flames Henrik Lundqvist, New York Rangers Roberto Luongo, Vancouver Canucks 4 Vezina finalists? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SweWings 45 Report post Posted May 1, 2007 Cool that Lundqvist amazing late-season play was recognized. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Viperar 16 Report post Posted May 1, 2007 yeah good for lundqvist Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedWingsFanatic 4 Report post Posted May 1, 2007 Yeah, the four Vezina finalists is the thing that sticks out. I guess that means there was a tie? Also interesting to note that the players nominated Lecavalier ahead of Brodeur for MVP. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ozzie30 170 Report post Posted May 1, 2007 Not being a homer here, but I find it very surprising that datsyuk and/or zetterberg were not nominated for selke. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wings_Dynasty 267 Report post Posted May 1, 2007 W_D's Predictions: CALDER MEMORIAL TROPHY �€� Award for outstanding rookie Evgeni Malkin, Pittsburgh Penguins Jordan Staal, Pittsburgh Penguins Paul Stastny, Colorado Avalanche FRANK J. SELKE TROPHY �€� Award for outstanding defensive forward Rod Brind'Amour, Carolina Hurricanes Samuel Pahlsson, Anaheim Ducks Jay Pandolfo, New Jersey Devils HART MEMORIAL TROPHY �€� Awarded to most valuable player to his team Martin Brodeur, New Jersey Devils Sidney Crosby, Pittsburgh Penguins Roberto Luongo, Vancouver Canucks JACK ADAMS AWARD �€� Award for outstanding coach Lindy Ruff, Buffalo Sabres Michel Therrien, Pittsburgh Penguins Alain Vigneault, Vancouver Canucks JAMES NORRIS MEMORIAL TROPHY �€� Award for outstanding defenseman Nicklas Lidstrom, Detroit Red Wings Scott Niedermayer, Anaheim Ducks Chris Pronger, Anaheim Ducks LADY BYNG MEMORIAL TROPHY �€� Awarded to player that displays sportsmanship and gentlemanly conduct Pavel Datsyuk, Detroit Red Wings Joe Sakic, Colorado Avalanche Martin St. Louis, Tampa Bay Lightning LESTER B. PEARSON AWARD �€� Awarded to the most outstanding player as voted by fellow NHLPA members) Sidney Crosby, Pittsburgh Penguins Vincent Lecavalier, Tampa Bay Lightning Roberto Luongo, Vancouver Canucks VEZINA TROPHY �€� Award for outstanding goaltender Martin Brodeur, New Jersey Devils Miikka Kiprusoff, Calgary Flames Henrik Lundqvist, New York Rangers Roberto Luongo, Vancouver Canucks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
13dats 1 Report post Posted May 1, 2007 NHL Awards Finalists Announced FRANK J. SELKE TROPHY Rod Brind'Amour, Carolina Hurricanes Samuel Pahlsson, Anaheim Ducks Jay Pandolfo, New Jersey Devils WHAT THE HELL THESE TWO SELKE TROPHY FINALISTS DID IN THE SEASON??? Samuel Pahlsson 8 18 26 -4 Jay Pandolfo 13 14 27 -5 It's unbelivieble Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jamaica Jon 1 Report post Posted May 1, 2007 No Red Wing nominations for the Selke is bull imo. Granted I don't watch the 3 nominees night-in and night-out but I still think at least one of Zetterberg, Datsyuk, and Draper deserves to be nominated. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BeeRYCE 2 Report post Posted May 1, 2007 WHAT THE HELL THESE TWO SELKE TROPHY FINALISTS DID IN THE SEASON??? Samuel Pahlsson 8 18 26 -4 Jay Pandolfo 13 14 27 -5 It's unbelivieble Selke should have nothing to do with offensive stats. The only thing *might* be +/- and that still isn't a huge factor. With that said. CALDER MEMORIAL TROPHY ⦣8364;? Award for outstanding rookie Evgeni Malkin, Pittsburgh Penguins Jordan Staal, Pittsburgh Penguins Paul Stastny, Colorado Avalanche FRANK J. SELKE TROPHY ⦣8364;? Award for outstanding defensive forward Rod Brind'Amour, Carolina Hurricanes Samuel Pahlsson, Anaheim Ducks Jay Pandolfo, New Jersey Devils HART MEMORIAL TROPHY ⦣8364;? Awarded to most valuable player to his team Martin Brodeur, New Jersey Devils Sidney Crosby, Pittsburgh Penguins Roberto Luongo, Vancouver Canucks JACK ADAMS AWARD ⦣8364;? Award for outstanding coach Lindy Ruff, Buffalo Sabres Michel Therrien, Pittsburgh Penguins Alain Vigneault, Vancouver Canucks (WHERE THE HELL IS TED NOLAN?!) JAMES NORRIS MEMORIAL TROPHY ⦣8364;? Award for outstanding defenseman Nicklas Lidstrom, Detroit Red Wings Scott Niedermayer, Anaheim Ducks Chris Pronger, Anaheim Ducks LADY BYNG MEMORIAL TROPHY ⦣8364;? Awarded to player that displays sportsmanship and gentlemanly conduct Pavel Datsyuk, Detroit Red Wings Joe Sakic, Colorado Avalanche Martin St. Louis, Tampa Bay Lightning LESTER B. PEARSON AWARD ⦣8364;? Awarded to the most outstanding player as voted by fellow NHLPA members) Sidney Crosby, Pittsburgh Penguins Vincent Lecavalier, Tampa Bay Lightning Roberto Luongo, Vancouver Canucks The NHLPA usually votes for the player with no trophy, but deserving of one, it seems like. VEZINA TROPHY ⦣8364;? Award for outstanding goaltender Martin Brodeur, New Jersey Devils Miikka Kiprusoff, Calgary Flames Henrik Lundqvist, New York Rangers Roberto Luongo, Vancouver Canucks 4 finalists? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aarond 0 Report post Posted May 1, 2007 Thornton got hosed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theman19 47 Report post Posted May 1, 2007 Selke should have nothing to do with offensive stats. The only thing *might* be +/- and that still isn't a huge factor. while i agree with that, how do you ignore the incredible defensive play of Zetterberg? I guess because he was injured is all i can factor. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BeeRYCE 2 Report post Posted May 1, 2007 Zetterberg is a better all around player, perhaps one of the best in the league. Pandolfo and Pahlsson are better defensive forwards. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
13dats 1 Report post Posted May 1, 2007 Selke should have nothing to do with offensive stats. The only thing *might* be +/- and that still isn't a huge factor. I would say +/- should be a factor. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toby91_ca 620 Report post Posted May 1, 2007 Also interesting to note that the players nominated Lecavalier ahead of Brodeur for MVP. They voted in favour of Lecavalier over Brodeur for most outstanding player, not MVP....and yes, I think there is a difference, though, I'm not sure if that difference is always taken into account. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SweWings 45 Report post Posted May 1, 2007 I would say +/- should be a factor. Yeah but not a huge one. The defensive forwards aren't really expected to rack up a lot of +. Just lock-down the top-lines. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shadow47 1 Report post Posted May 1, 2007 Kiprusoff 40-24-9, 2.46 GAA, .917 SP, 7 SO Lundqvist 37-22-8, 2.34 GAA, .917 SP, 5 SO ------------------------ Hasek 38-11-6, 2.05 GAA, .913 SP, 8 SO This seems a bit retarded to me. Apparently that extra goal against every 250 shots (based on the difference in save percentage) made all the difference. Then of course there's the fact that he had more shutouts, a third and a half a goal less per game and as many wins in 20 less games. But if that's the way they want to run their league, then... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toby91_ca 620 Report post Posted May 1, 2007 Yeah but not a huge one. The defensive forwards aren't really expected to rack up a lot of +. Just lock-down the top-lines. In my opinion, +/- should almost be a non-factor in determining the best defensive forward. Here is my nonsense hypothetical example: Player A - job is to shut down the other teams' best offensive players, that's all the player does all year...defensive specialist. At the end of the year, he is held pointless, but he did his job and did not allow a single goal to be scored while he was on the ice, his year ending +/- is 0. Player B - go to offensive guy, doesn't really concern himself with playing in his own end (hovers around the red line most of the time when the puck is in his team's end). This player has an outstanding offensive year and finishes with 145pts (all even strength...quite remarkable ) At the same time, because of his lack of defensive play, he was on the ice for 85 goals against, resulting is a year ending +/- stat of +60. So, Player B has the vastly superior +/- stat, but I think it is obvious who the better defensive player is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HockeyCrazy3033 168 Report post Posted May 1, 2007 (edited) Hank should definitely be up for the Selke. This is BS. Even Danny should have gotten some consideratiion for it. Anyways, great for Lids and Dats. Edited May 1, 2007 by HockeyCrazy3033 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingsfan75 2 Report post Posted May 1, 2007 Kiprusoff 40-24-9, 2.46 GAA, .917 SP, 7 SO Lundqvist 37-22-8, 2.34 GAA, .917 SP, 5 SO ------------------------ Hasek 38-11-6, 2.05 GAA, .913 SP, 8 SO This seems a bit retarded to me. Apparently that extra goal against every 250 shots (based on the difference in save percentage) made all the difference. Then of course there's the fact that he had more shutouts, a third and a half a goal less per game and as many wins in 20 less games. But if that's the way they want to run their league, then... Although I think Brodeur will win the Vezina, I too think Hasek should have been a finalist. He played one hell of a season for a 40+year-old guy. It's absolutely sickening that Lundqvist is there in his place. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
raasc1dj 0 Report post Posted May 1, 2007 CALDER MEMORIAL TROPHY ⦣8364;? Award for outstanding rookie Evgeni Malkin, Pittsburgh Penguins Jordan Staal, Pittsburgh Penguins Paul Stastny, Colorado Avalanche FRANK J. SELKE TROPHY ⦣8364;? Award for outstanding defensive forward Rod Brind'Amour, Carolina Hurricanes Samuel Pahlsson, Anaheim Ducks Jay Pandolfo, New Jersey Devils HART MEMORIAL TROPHY ⦣8364;? Awarded to most valuable player to his team Martin Brodeur, New Jersey Devils Sidney Crosby, Pittsburgh Penguins Roberto Luongo, Vancouver Canucks JACK ADAMS AWARD ⦣8364;? Award for outstanding coach Lindy Ruff, Buffalo Sabres Michel Therrien, Pittsburgh Penguins Alain Vigneault, Vancouver Canucks JAMES NORRIS MEMORIAL TROPHY ⦣8364;? Award for outstanding defenseman Nicklas Lidstrom, Detroit Red Wings Scott Niedermayer, Anaheim Ducks Chris Pronger, Anaheim Ducks LADY BYNG MEMORIAL TROPHY ⦣8364;? Awarded to player that displays sportsmanship and gentlemanly conduct Pavel Datsyuk, Detroit Red Wings Joe Sakic, Colorado Avalanche Martin St. Louis, Tampa Bay Lightning LESTER B. PEARSON AWARD ⦣8364;? Awarded to the most outstanding player as voted by fellow NHLPA members) Sidney Crosby, Pittsburgh Penguins Vincent Lecavalier, Tampa Bay Lightning Roberto Luongo, Vancouver Canucks VEZINA TROPHY ⦣8364;? Award for outstanding goaltender Martin Brodeur, New Jersey Devils Miikka Kiprusoff, Calgary Flames Henrik Lundqvist, New York Rangers Roberto Luongo, Vancouver Canucks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puckloo39 5,686 Report post Posted May 1, 2007 Kiprusoff 40-24-9, 2.46 GAA, .917 SP, 7 SO Lundqvist 37-22-8, 2.34 GAA, .917 SP, 5 SO ------------------------ Hasek 38-11-6, 2.05 GAA, .913 SP, 8 SO This seems a bit retarded to me. Apparently that extra goal against every 250 shots (based on the difference in save percentage) made all the difference. Then of course there's the fact that he had more shutouts, a third and a half a goal less per game and as many wins in 20 less games. But if that's the way they want to run their league, then... It's political, Shadow... I guess. Dom won't be considered, 'cause he's not the flavor of the day anymore. He's just a great goalie. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest GordieSid&Ted Report post Posted May 1, 2007 I would say +/- should be a factor. A agree. If you job is too play great defense and most likely, to shut down the big guns on the opposition, if you've got a negative +/- number, what is that really saying? I suppose if your job is to play great defense you aren't likely to get alot of chances to put up points but IMO, the best defensive forward ought to encompass a tad more than just defensive play. I know what the award is for but when you see a guy like Draper or Zetterberg who can play defense with the best of them and still put up numbers, huge numbers in Z's case, then I think you have to at least consider those guys. Seriously, is Pahlsson or Pandolfo a far better defensive player than Z? If Z was told not to score at all and focus on defense only, he'd blow those 2 out of the water. The fact that he plays a dogged checking game and can be a point a game player tells me he's the better player and the better defensive player and worthy of nomination. Pandolfo? I guess when you play for a defense-first team and a stingy team to begin with and you have the skill set of a Pandolfo then it probably isn't too hard to just go out and skate hard, check your opponent, block shots and never try to do much offensively. I think that's crap when compared to Zetterberg. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kp-Wings 3 Report post Posted May 1, 2007 Where do they get Pahlsson and Pandalfo for the Selke? I mean, these guys are decent defensive forwards in their own right, but Zetterberg and even Datsyuk are better choices, since they are some of the best all around players in the league. And no, this is not the homer side of me either. Considering both of them do just about everything, and Datsyuk even led the league in takeaways, at least a nomination would be nice. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
raasc1dj 0 Report post Posted May 1, 2007 Lidstrom by far is the best defenseman in the league and the NHL will hopefully recognize that again by awarding him another Norris. BUT..... how would some of you respond to the fact that some ESPN analysts' are giving Niedermayer the trophy hands down because his play toppled the play of Lidstrom all season?!? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
