raasc1dj 0 Report post Posted May 3, 2007 Everyone put in their suggestions.. Do you think that Lidstrom is playing hurt cuz he doesnt look like himself!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Viperar 16 Report post Posted May 3, 2007 man the whole team must be playing hurt because right now the griffs could beat them Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
raasc1dj 0 Report post Posted May 3, 2007 I definately agree.... but even though the team looks like crap, it isnt like him to play like he is! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted May 3, 2007 He's fine---we're just getting our ass kicked by a better team. There's an idea that doesn't get much attention here. Maybe it's that the Wings are playing a good team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
raasc1dj 0 Report post Posted May 3, 2007 ooooo.... i totally agree! The only reason I mentioned anything is becuase he looked like that at the end of the season and in the Calgary season, he doesnt seem to get position on anyone! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
evil204 4 Report post Posted May 3, 2007 I have a question... When the puck is loose and it's going into the corner in our own zone, and Lidstrom is going after it but there is an opposition player behind him chasing it too, Lidstrom ALWAYS stops and lets the guy get it. WHY??? Our other defensemen do it too, but not quite as often as Lidstrom... Is he trying to avoid getting slammed into the boards, or does he think he'd be better off letting the other guy take the puck and then taking it away from him? I don't get it... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Viperar 16 Report post Posted May 3, 2007 I have a question... When the puck is loose and it's going into the corner in our own zone, and Lidstrom is going after it but there is an opposition player behind him chasing it too, Lidstrom ALWAYS stops and lets the guy get it. WHY??? Our other defensemen do it too, but not quite as often as Lidstrom... Is he trying to avoid getting slammed into the boards, or does he think he'd be better off letting the other guy take the puck and then taking it away from him? I don't get it... i think thats mostly because lids works better with his stick than getting into a wrestling match on the boards...just my opinion Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pavyaz19 1 Report post Posted May 3, 2007 i've noticed that the D-men are letting the sharks get to the park first too... i really think it's a set play / strategy since each one of them do it. I don't specifically remember a play where we got burned doing that... so i suppose it's working. As for Lidstrom, he has been horrific IMHO... One of the worst guys on D. I just don't understand all his giveaways. As for him being hurt, it seems as if he is making very bad decisions when making his mistakes, so I have to an injury shouldn't cause him to make bad decisions. Speaking of injuries, I REALLY think Zetterberg has something seriously wrong. He still looks good out there (minus a few giveaways tonight) but he looks like he's lost a step or two. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WingedWheels 0 Report post Posted May 3, 2007 everyone plays hurt in the playoffs unless it's career threatening (see: Holmstrom) or can't stand (see: Lebda). If Calder, Zetterberg, Lidstrom, etc. are hurt, well, let their heart carry them. Go Wings! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
datsyukismyfriend 4 Report post Posted May 3, 2007 he doesn't look hurt to me. he just hasn't had a very good series so far. but he had 36 minutes of ice time tonight, so he's probably not hurt too bad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BringHomeTheCup! 0 Report post Posted May 3, 2007 I've been saying this all year, and my friends keep calling me crazy. I've never seen Nick rush the puck, and play so deep in the offensive zone so much as he has this year. I simply think it's Babs telling him to do so. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
norrisnick 1 Report post Posted May 3, 2007 He's been perfect too long and Wing fans can't wrap their brains around him being "merely" Norris calibre rather than the customary godly. He's still amazing out there. And he's still our best player. It's hard to defend a guy that's just as good with the puck/stick as Nick is, but 50 lbs heavier. Apart from experience Lidstrom doesn't have a single advantage against Thornton, but he still wins as many battles as he loses. You can't ask for much more than that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spydrwebb 0 Report post Posted May 3, 2007 nick's fine, his mediocre play (rarely happens) is far better than others who step it up a notch. he is by no means a liability. i agree that he's likely being coached to a different approach than perhaps what bowman or lewis would have instilled in him, however his poke check and overall stick handling abilities make up for what he's not being asked to do elsewhere. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
high_stick69 7 Report post Posted May 3, 2007 I don't think Lids is hurt, at least he doesn't have any major injuries. What you are seeing are good hockey players making good plays. Its EASY to get burned in hockey, and noone is invincible out there. You have to know the Sharks are focusing on Lidstrom and trying everything they can to beat him however they can. It happens to everybody. Lids has made some, what I like to call 'panic plays' with the puck, but everyone is guilty of that one time or another. He has been good when he's needed to be and has been as solid and reliable as you could ever ask for. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Offsides 21 Report post Posted May 3, 2007 I think Lids is hurt a little. But nothing earth shattering. Just something he said in an interview the other day made me think he was injured. But probably a lot of guys on both sides have minor injuries that they are plying through. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OsGOD 3 Report post Posted May 3, 2007 (edited) I think Lids is hurt a little. But nothing earth shattering. Just something he said in an interview the other day made me think he was injured. But probably a lot of guys on both sides have minor injuries that they are plying through. It was moreso in his eye's when Johnny asked him if he was alright after limping a bit around the locker room. Also, he didn't look like his normal skating self when trying to race down a SJ dump. Lids has been a bit stinky at times.... but even stinky lids is better than most of our D-men. Edited May 3, 2007 by OsGOD Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SoupGuru 0 Report post Posted May 3, 2007 I have a question... When the puck is loose and it's going into the corner in our own zone, and Lidstrom is going after it but there is an opposition player behind him chasing it too, Lidstrom ALWAYS stops and lets the guy get it. WHY??? Our other defensemen do it too, but not quite as often as Lidstrom... Is he trying to avoid getting slammed into the boards, or does he think he'd be better off letting the other guy take the puck and then taking it away from him? I don't get it... It's smart positioning. If he goes into the corner first, he gets hit, maybe coughs the puck up, and the forechecker goes unimpeded to the goal. Defenders never want to be pinned on the boards either. So he decides to not get into a vulnerable situation and just play smart defense on the forechecker. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoWings1905 2,694 Report post Posted May 3, 2007 i've noticed that the D-men are letting the sharks get to the park first too... i really think it's a set play / strategy since each one of them do it. I don't specifically remember a play where we got burned doing that... so i suppose it's working. As for Lidstrom, he has been horrific IMHO... One of the worst guys on D. I just don't understand all his giveaways. As for him being hurt, it seems as if he is making very bad decisions when making his mistakes, so I have to an injury shouldn't cause him to make bad decisions. Speaking of injuries, I REALLY think Zetterberg has something seriously wrong. He still looks good out there (minus a few giveaways tonight) but he looks like he's lost a step or two. You are kidding about Lidstrom right? Man, just because he isn't perfect and now suddenly lets throw him under the bus and call him our worst defenseman. I didn't know whether to laugh or punch something when I read this. I think you need to re-evaluate where this team would be without Lidstrom. He is still the Red Wings best player, and they would have been golfing by now without him. I don't care if you don't think his play is not up to par, but calling him horrific is just plain stupid. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted May 3, 2007 i've noticed that the D-men are letting the sharks get to the park first too... i really think it's a set play / strategy since each one of them do it. I don't specifically remember a play where we got burned doing that... so i suppose it's working. As for Lidstrom, he has been horrific IMHO... One of the worst guys on D. I just don't understand all his giveaways. As for him being hurt, it seems as if he is making very bad decisions when making his mistakes, so I have to an injury shouldn't cause him to make bad decisions. horrific? I guess we've been watching different games. And actually that strategy is a lot like the one Bowman had the defense employ against the Flyers big forwards in 97. It's the opposite of conventional wisdom - play the puck not the body. Because they're so physically outsized, if they play the body, they'll lose. Especially with the new rules. And Lidstrom is about as good as they come at playing that way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pavyaz19 1 Report post Posted May 3, 2007 (edited) Everyone has their heart set on defending him since you all think he's so great. He hasn't been our best defenseman, let alone our best player. The guy HAS made some horrific decisions. He has given the puck away in our own end multiple times and hasn't cleared his man in front of our own net. You can keep on sucking up to Lidstrom but you know if it were any other player making those mistakees (i.e. LILJA, Markov, Kronwall) you'd all be bashing them and asking for trades. Instead, since it's Lidstrom making mistakes, he is somehow forgiven due to reputation. Many games this post-season, announcers have been saying "oh, and rare mistake made by Lidstrom..." well, after hearing this often, it's not so rare anymore. I'm just looking at the "here and now" and he is nowhere near our best player defensively. Here's to hoping he turns it around. Edited May 3, 2007 by pavyaz19 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
norrisnick 1 Report post Posted May 3, 2007 Everyone has their heart set on defending him since you all think he's so great. He hasn't been our best defenseman, let alone our best player. The guy HAS made some horrific decisions. He has given the puck away in our own end multiple times and hasn't cleared his man in front of our own net. You can keep on sucking up to Lidstrom but you know if it were any other player making those mistakees (i.e. LILJA, Markov, Kronwall) you'd all be bashing them and asking for trades. Instead, since it's Lidstrom making mistakes, he is somehow forgiven due to reputation. I'm looking at the "here and now" and he is nowhere near our best player. Here's to hoping he turns it around. I don't think he's so great. I know he is. Lidstrom most definitely has been our best defenseman (who else comes even close?). And he's been out best player as well. The mistakes he's made this series are mistakes every other defenseman makes in a single game. Just because he never used to make ANY mistakes doesn't mean he's horrible all of a sudden. He's still going to walk away with the Norris and should the Wings keep going far he's pretty easily the front runner for the Conn. And you say he's forgiven for his reputation. If anything his reputation is hurting him here. Apparently nothing short of perfection is acceptable... And if he "turns it around" we're f***ed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kp-Wings 3 Report post Posted May 3, 2007 (edited) I like norrisnick's reaction. If Lidstrom doesn't play perfect, and has but one flaw in a game, everyone is all over him. Just customary or something. Who knows. Edited May 3, 2007 by Kp-Wings Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ColdWarrior 0 Report post Posted May 3, 2007 Do we have people suffering from injuries? Sure... Zetts, Bert, Homer for example. San Jose likely has people hurting as well. But don't forget. We ARE the underdogs here. San Jose is the ONLY team in the west I think is better than us... bigger, stronger, younger, faster. Our only advantage... experience & maturity. If the boys can keep playing with passion, we can pull this off in 7. But little lapses in judgement, bad plays, etc, can sink us. One way or another, I believe whoever wins this series is going to win the west as well. And, if we do lose this series, the reason why is obvious. Not because a goalie let in soft goals. Not because of bad coaching. Not because our forwards didn't perform. The answer is simple... if San Jose wins, it's because they are the better team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SouthernWingsFan 854 Report post Posted May 4, 2007 Everyone has their heart set on defending him since you all think he's so great. He hasn't been our best defenseman, let alone our best player. The guy HAS made some horrific decisions. He has given the puck away in our own end multiple times and hasn't cleared his man in front of our own net. You can keep on sucking up to Lidstrom but you know if it were any other player making those mistakees (i.e. LILJA, Markov, Kronwall) you'd all be bashing them and asking for trades. Instead, since it's Lidstrom making mistakes, he is somehow forgiven due to reputation. Many games this post-season, announcers have been saying "oh, and rare mistake made by Lidstrom..." well, after hearing this often, it's not so rare anymore. I'm just looking at the "here and now" and he is nowhere near our best player defensively. Here's to hoping he turns it around. 10 points in 10 playoffs games (and that includes forward production as well) not good enough for ya? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Love Lidstrom 0 Report post Posted May 4, 2007 I have a question... When the puck is loose and it's going into the corner in our own zone, and Lidstrom is going after it but there is an opposition player behind him chasing it too, Lidstrom ALWAYS stops and lets the guy get it. WHY??? Our other defensemen do it too, but not quite as often as Lidstrom... Is he trying to avoid getting slammed into the boards, or does he think he'd be better off letting the other guy take the puck and then taking it away from him? I don't get it... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
