kyle quincey

[Hiei 192]

OK

If Kindl and Ericsson are so grand, then why did they call up Quincey?

We could dump Schneider if his asking price is too high for the cap and get Quincey in, or otherwise trade....Anyone else think that we could use a good Deking forward? maybe a good playmaker with passing abilities.

[Kp-Wings 3]

kronwall will get hurt again ?? LOL so according to you he will get hurt every season for the next 5 seasons right ?? so holland just made the worst signing ever , your all about stats lmao.....yes kronwall only got one goal but if you saw the games you'd know he had TONS of chances but the puck just wasn't going in for him ,its not that he didnt play well , the bounces will come his way ....and brett lebda isnt an offensive defencemen ?? then what is he ?? a defensive defensemen ?? lol , once again man stop looking at stats , he plays in the 3rd pairing , doesnt get ppl chances and plays with chelios in the point of course he wont rack in tons of points, if he played in the top 4 pairings and got ppl time he'd get points

sorry but your theory about the ahl is stupid ......just cause a player has a good year there and comes to the nhl doesn't mean he will be abust ,besides this past season kronwall only had 47 nhl games , give the guy a break , he won the ahl's best defencemen award ( according to you it doesnt count but id beg to differ) and he also won the mvp at the olympics and if you tell me its a worthless award then no offense but your a bigger idiot , there were tons of nhl stars at that tournament , kronwall has all the tools to be a big player , if he didnt we wouldnt of resigned him for 5 yrs at 3 million per .......stop being so negative

let's hope your right

Yes, that's what I said. So far we haven't seen a break in that pattern yet have we?

What is up with the personal attacks you threw in there? All of a sudden I'm an idiot because I don't think Kronwall is a good player? Yeah, well I guess half of the Wings fans on this board are idiots also. At least I know how to use proper grammar in my sentences. I'm still trying to decode half of things you said in that pile of words you call a response.

Sorry I'm not a Kronwall slappie like you and think he's Bobby Orr. By the way, I thank you for the mature, spelling error filled response you gave me. You want to start more personal attacks at me again? Just try me.

Edited May 5, 2007 by Kp-Wings

[YoungGuns1340 1]

I remember Mick and Ken talking about how they were speaking with Kenny Holland, and Kenny said that both Quincey and Kindl will get a chance to step in and play regularly next season. I'm not sure if that means Matty is gone or not, but I think he will ask for more than the Wings are willing to pay.

If the WIngs bring up both kids thats 1) a very young squad and 2) not a very strong one: Lidstrom, Kronwall, Lilja, Chelios, Quincey, Kindl, and Lebda. We have essentially 1 top 3 Dman (Lidstrom obviously) and the rest are #4s at best with Kronwall having the most potential to be a #3 next season (and Im still not convinced of that.)

If I were Kenny, Id dump Markov and Schneider and go after Hamrlik. Hes close to a combination of the two players anyways, without the elite offensive instincts of Schneider. Hes a big, physical presence whos a great point guy on the powerplay...experienced but not too old. Schneider is getting older and takes away from other players - namely Kronwall, Lebda, and Kindl - who could use the time on the PP for development. Hell also likely still be a pricey player to retain. As for Markov, Ive enjoyed having him here and still wouldnt mind if he stays, but there are better options out there in terms of physicality.

The best option would likely be to trade Lilja, bring up Quincey and Kindl full time, and have one of them split time with Chelios.

Lidstrom-Hamrlik

Kronwall-Lebda

Chelios/Quicney/Kindl

Edited May 5, 2007 by YoungGuns1340

[zetterbergfuturemvp 0]

Yes, that's what I said. So far we haven't seen a break in that pattern yet have we?

What is up with the personal attacks you threw in there? All of a sudden I'm an idiot because I don't think Kronwall is a good player? Yeah, well I guess half of the Wings fans on this board are idiots also. At least I know how to use proper grammar in my sentences. I'm still trying to decode half of things you said in that pile of words you call a response.

Sorry I'm not a Kronwall slappie like you and think he's Bobby Orr. By the way, I thank you for the mature, spelling error filled response you gave me. You want to start more personal attacks at me again? Just try me.

just try me lol , is that suppose to scare me ? lol .........ya i really think kronwall is the next bobby orr , way to really exagerate what im saying ......if you think kronwall sucks that much and he's gonna be injured every season then i assume you must really hate the fact that we signed him for 5 yrs at 3 million per ....only way kronwall and other d men are gonna get better is with more playing time and keeping 3 defensemen who are near or 40+ only delays the progress of those players which is why i think schneider needs to go ......you seem to be ok with keeping 3 old d men , and im not .....so lets just agree to disagree

If the WIngs bring up both kids thats 1) a very young squad and 2) not a very strong one: Lidstrom, Kronwall, Lilja, Chelios, Quincey, Kindl, and Lebda. We have essentially 1 top 3 Dman (Lidstrom obviously) and the rest are #4s at best with Kronwall having the most potential to be a #3 next season (and Im still not convinced of that.)

If I were Kenny, Id dump Markov and Schneider and go after Hamrlik. Hes close to a combination of the two players anyways, without the elite offensive instincts of Schneider. Hes a big, physical presence whos a great point guy on the powerplay...experienced but not too old. Schneider is getting older and takes away from other players - namely Kronwall, Lebda, and Kindl - who could use the time on the PP for development. Hell also likely still be a pricey player to retain. As for Markov, Ive enjoyed having him here and still wouldnt mind if he stays, but there are better options out there in terms of physicality.

The best option would likely be to trade Lilja, bring up Quincey and Kindl full time, and have one of them split time with Chelios.

Lidstrom-Hamrlik

Kronwall-Lebda

Chelios/Quicney/Kindl

i dont really have anything against hamrlik but i just saw that he's making 3.5 and that seems a bit too expensive for him , to me anyways id rather have cory sarich he's big, physical, younger and will probably cost cheaper and has cup winning experience ....always a plus, i got no problems with bringing kindl but if he's gonna be potentially our 7th d man id rather we keep him in the ahl and let him have lots of ice time .

lidstrom sarich

kronwall kindl

lebda chelios

quincey

how about that ?? ......lidstrom gets to still have a physical d man to play with , kindl and kronwall are 2 offensive defencemen that can hit and kindl will get more ice time, lebda and his speed helps out playing with chelios .....maybe chelios can play 55 games to keep him fresh for the playoffs and with some injuries likely to happen quincey can play 40-50 games........what are your thoughts ??

Edited May 5, 2007 by zetterbergfuturemvp

[glasgowcelticwing 18]

OK

If Kindl and Ericsson are so grand, then why did they call up Quincey?

We could dump Schneider if his asking price is too high for the cap and get Quincey in, or otherwise trade....Anyone else think that we could use a good Deking forward? maybe a good playmaker with passing abilities.

I don't think they can call up Kindl because he's only on a tryout contract just now with the Griffin's and Ericsson's had a few injury problem's and it's only his first season in North America.

[HomeNugget 2]

i think we should drop schneider and bring up kindl. i think in a season or two he'll be able to put up some comparable numbers.

[BringHomeTheCup! 0]

If the WIngs bring up both kids thats 1) a very young squad and 2) not a very strong one: Lidstrom, Kronwall, Lilja, Chelios, Quincey, Kindl, and Lebda. We have essentially 1 top 3 Dman (Lidstrom obviously) and the rest are #4s at best with Kronwall having the most potential to be a #3 next season (and Im still not convinced of that.)

If I were Kenny, Id dump Markov and Schneider and go after Hamrlik. Hes close to a combination of the two players anyways, without the elite offensive instincts of Schneider. Hes a big, physical presence whos a great point guy on the powerplay...experienced but not too old. Schneider is getting older and takes away from other players - namely Kronwall, Lebda, and Kindl - who could use the time on the PP for development. Hell also likely still be a pricey player to retain. As for Markov, Ive enjoyed having him here and still wouldnt mind if he stays, but there are better options out there in terms of physicality.

The best option would likely be to trade Lilja, bring up Quincey and Kindl full time, and have one of them split time with Chelios.

Lidstrom-Hamrlik

Kronwall-Lebda

Chelios/Quicney/Kindl

1. Hamrlik is made more than Matty did this year. Being youger, he will most likely command as much or more than Matty does.

2. Markov is a NEEDED physcial presence on our blueline. Yes, The Pain Train has stepped it up a bit, but his past shows he isn't that type of player consistantly.

3. Why trade Lilja? What would you ask in return? I don't see anyone giving up anyone who could be equally has helpful to the Wings.

4.If someone were to be traded, I would nominate Kronwall. He is a good player, solid dman, but also injury prone. With both Quincey and Kindl knocking on the door, why not?

5. Matty is getting old, but how is he taking away from the younger players? The only aspect in which Matty would be taking away from the younger guys is in ice time. But that is just because those guys aren't ready for it yet. If it's not Matty, it will be Markov, or Cheli, or Lilja, or Kronwall, ect..

6. You counterdict yourself, you say bringing up the young guys would have our d corps too inexperienced young. Then you say trade 2 of top 3 dman, to sign someone who is arguably no better than Lilja or Lebda, and bring up a young guy. In your trade senario, we lose experience, and get pretty young.

I'm not sure why I wrote that out in list form, just something different lol.

However, I think that while Matty is aging, if we can get him for something close to what we paid him this year, DO IT!! I don't like Hamrlik, he is a career journeyman, he has never found a steady home, or lived up to his potential. I think rather than trying to spend a ton of money or trade to fill in our d needs, we should bring up the kids, and try to get an upgrade in net. I know there isn't a lot available in the offseason via free agency, Kenny is a hell of a GM, and I think he can find someone.

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

I don't think Quincey is going anywhere soon in the Wings organization.

Full time next year, I think that all depends on if Chelios hangs them up and if Markov re-signs with the Wings.

There is a decent chance, but late in the game he showed he still is young and has a lot of developing to do. He got absolutely schooled on the PK playing the puck instead of the man on Pavelski's (?, spelling ?) one-on-one, allowing a clear path to Hasek.

That mistake and a few others being said though, he's been very impressive more often than not, given his inexperience since being called up late in the Calgary series.

Wings will need him to stay cool and collected more than ever with Schneider now out for a good while.

[SweWings 45]

I don't think we should worry much about Detroit's defence. I'd rather worry about the goalie situation which isn't very convincing.

[Andy Pred 48 337]

Kindl and Quincey are a future #2 pairing if not a potential top pair in a couple of years or so, I see no reason keeping them in GR if they have the tools to do a job next year. Better they log 40 odd games in Detroit next season getting great tutoridge off Cheli and Lids. Will do them more

help than logging the time in GR, cause after next year I doubt wether our #5 and #24 will be here, then it'll be them who the Wings will be looking to.

[Heroes of Hockeytown 694]

I don't think we should worry much about Detroit's defence. I'd rather worry about the goalie situation which isn't very convincing.

Goalie situation seemed to be in good shape when the namesake of this thread was turned inside out last night by none other than Milan Michalek late in the third.

[omnipotent_hudler 0]

Goalie situation seemed to be in good shape when the namesake of this thread was turned inside out last night by none other than Milan Michalek late in the third.

I think he was referring to after this season.. If Hasek doesn't resign, who is going to be our top goalie? The market for goalies looks pretty dry, and while I think Ozzie can be the No. 1 tender, I'd rather not have him be.

[Mighty Wings 0]

There's no doubt he deserves to be a full-time wing next season. However, Meech can't be sent down to GR w/o passing through waivers as he's out of options. Most likely it will be meech who they'll keep in the end.

[Heroes of Hockeytown 694]

I think he was referring to after this season.. If Hasek doesn't resign, who is going to be our top goalie? The market for goalies looks pretty dry, and while I think Ozzie can be the No. 1 tender, I'd rather not have him be.

Ahh, that makes sense. My bad.

[arin 0]

It all depends on:

1. How much Schneider asks

2. If Chelios resigns

3. How Kindl/Quincey/Meech look in camp

We DO have players that can man the point. Kindl can and RWC says Meech has a good point shot and PP ability. Look at the SJS rookies that have stepped in(Carle, Vlasic).

I think the main concern of the Wings this offseason should be SARICH! Sarich could man the point, too. Markov is old & injury prone. Lose Markov and get Sarich, who's better than Markov, younger and not injury prone at all.

We're starting to get a logjam in defense - time to cut Schneider & Markov loose. We'd save $$ by replacing one of them with Kindl, which could go towards a 2nd liner/goalie.

Lidstrom - Sarich(~$3mill)

Kronwall - Kindl

Lebda - Chelios

Lilja(Kindl/Cheli)

[zetterbergfuturemvp 0]

It all depends on:

1. How much Schneider asks

2. If Chelios resigns

3. How Kindl/Quincey/Meech look in camp

We DO have players that can man the point. Kindl can and RWC says Meech has a good point shot and PP ability. Look at the SJS rookies that have stepped in(Carle, Vlasic).

I think the main concern of the Wings this offseason should be SARICH! Sarich could man the point, too. Markov is old & injury prone. Lose Markov and get Sarich, who's better than Markov, younger and not injury prone at all.

We're starting to get a logjam in defense - time to cut Schneider & Markov loose. We'd save $$ by replacing one of them with Kindl, which could go towards a 2nd liner/goalie.

Lidstrom - Sarich(~$3mill)

Kronwall - Kindl

Lebda - Chelios

Lilja(Kindl/Cheli)

i like the pairings .....only problem is someone said meech is out of waiver options so he's gonna play with us next season or be traded, and i dont see him being traded yet cause he's go no trade value and im sure they'll see what he has to offer first ...... and if kindl will be the 7th d id rather he gets more ice time in the ahl

lidstrom sarich

kronwall lebda

quincey chelios

meech

maybe something like that ? lol ..........anyway's we'll see what we will do

Edited May 6, 2007 by zetterbergfuturemvp

[BringHomeTheCup! 0]

It all depends on:

1. How much Schneider asks

2. If Chelios resigns

3. How Kindl/Quincey/Meech look in camp

We DO have players that can man the point. Kindl can and RWC says Meech has a good point shot and PP ability. Look at the SJS rookies that have stepped in(Carle, Vlasic).

I think the main concern of the Wings this offseason should be SARICH! Sarich could man the point, too. Markov is old & injury prone. Lose Markov and get Sarich, who's better than Markov, younger and not injury prone at all.

We're starting to get a logjam in defense - time to cut Schneider & Markov loose. We'd save $$ by replacing one of them with Kindl, which could go towards a 2nd liner/goalie.

Lidstrom - Sarich(~$3mill)

Kronwall - Kindl

Lebda - Chelios

Lilja(Kindl/Cheli)

If any dman on the roster is injury prone, hands down it's Kronwall. The kid has a big upside, but he hasn't been able to put together a full healthy NHL season. This season was his closest, but he still had a better season in 2005-2006.

[arin 0]

Ok - what's your point? We get him for 5 years still.

Do you want to waive him?

Whoever will be 7th D-man will get plenty of playing time with 45 year old Cheli & Kronwall in our defense.

[wings4thecup06 504]

honestly, i reckon there just won't be any space for him. schneider will come back, kenny willl do almost anything to bring him back, not so sure about markov though, that's a tough one. chelios will be back too, and for good reason, he's been awesome this year. the real question i think is whether lilja is good enough to get a regular slot above Quincey/kindl, ericsson. if he is, then quincey'll be 7th dman or in GR. Although he's been amazingly solid for a rookie, so i wouldn't mind having him around next year.

[gcom007 1,465]

.i personally dont want him back , we dont need 3 defensemen in the back end who are close to or over 40 , lidstrom and chelios is enough for me , im sure alot of ppl wont agree with me but thats my opinion , we need to get younger and bigger,and physical , we dont need more offensive defensemen , we got lidstrom lebda and kronwall ( yes he struggled but he did put up points on the ppl when schneider was gone , and i believe in him, he needs a bigger role next season)

Never mind the fact that he's still one of the most offensively potent defensemen in the league...they've done pretty well with him this year...you can get too big too you know...I feel we have a pretty balanced team where we stand. Not to say things can't improve, but I like our balance of grit and skill. We may not be huge but we throw our weight around which is what matters. San Jose's far bigger than us and we smoke them physically b/c we've got grit. On top of that we've got the skill to score to goals after we win the fights in the corners. So go ahead, keep saying we need to get bigger, but I think for once, people ought to stop and look around and realize we've got a pretty damn good team right now.

[BringHomeTheCup! 0]

I am wondering if the severity of Matty's wrist break will have any effect on him in the future. That's something to consider when thinking about re-signing him. I am not comfortable with Kronwall as a steady dman, he is too injury prone. I would much rather have a younger corps, with Matty.

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

After reading soem comments , do none of you know how important Schnieders offence is ?

Dont bring up Kindl , let him have a full AHL season under his belt

[Majsheppard 203]

It does not at all depend on how much Schneider will ask, unless he takes minimum ala Cheli he is gone. Event then who knows, as the broken wrist raises questions. I am going to say Schenider will be a Ranger next year.

Quincey has punched himself a ticket to the front of the line to get into the lineup, but that doesn't mean the other prospects can't leap in front of him.

I would think that they are in no rush to bring any of the youngsters along when you think who we have in the fold and for how long. If Markov comes back, or even if we go get a top D-man in FA we are pretty deep on the Blue line and these playoffs have shown it.

[ZigZagYourTorso 8]

I'd love if our defense looked like this next year!

Lidstrom - Vishnevski

Kronwall - Kindl

Chelios - Lebda

Lilja Or Quincey

Im pretty sure Vishnevski is cheaper then Markov and hes more physical....I could be wrong though....

But if we get rid of Schneider we let our youth get a chance and they still get the experience with Lidstrom and Chelios.

And if we get rid Schneider we have more money to spend on a 2nd line center ( that is if we dont resign Lang)

[puertoricanWingsfan 5]

I'm loving the future of the wings D... as for Quince, I've been nothing but impressed with his play thus far. Sure, he's made some rookie mistakes (like biting on the puck fake yesterday) but he's been awesome. I haven't ever been scared that there's a rookie back there. I love the guy