Forsberg vs. Fedorov

[Zion 93]

Wow, another Fedorov thread...

[Wings_Fan_In_Exile 3]

Wow, another Fedorov thread...

And with the trade deadline months and months away..... I'd get used to it.

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

Yeah, I'd rather have Sergei play the point on the PP than Sammy.

We need a dangerous shooter on the slot on the powerplay and not from the point where we already have Lidstrom and Rafalski which is better than what most teams have. Forsberg just gives us what we already have in Datsyuk and Zetterberg, and Fedorov is over the hill.

[OsGOD 3]

Feds defense as a forward is 2nd to none... That would be excellent to have him back there... bye bye sammy... hello actual quality on the PP point.

Given the right cast around him he can also get back into his old red wing domination mode.

[Wings_Dynasty 267]

Feds defense as a forward is 2nd to none... That would be excellent to have him back there... bye bye sammy... hello actual quality on the PP point.

Given the right cast around him he can also get back into his old red wing domination mode.

Those are my hopes, Sammy off the point. Fedorov was a BEAST when he was on the point on a PP. He has a good shot (was great, still good) and he is a great passer. Both of these things are upgrades over Sammy.

Think about it:

Datsyuk-Zetterberg-Homer

Rafalski-Lidstrom

then...

Hudler-Flip-Franzen/Sammy

Fedorov-Kronwall/Lebda

[theman19 47]

you know what kills me? people who say Federov is washed up. Talent like that doesn't take that steep of a nose dive, and his numbers arn't actually terribly awful. Unlike the drop in production of say tony amonte. My theory is he's just bored, he was always a very temperamental player. Federov isn't a 6 million dollar player with the jackets, but then again, with the cast around him, he doesn't have to be. If he comes here i bet we see 02 fed's and not 08 feds.

[Guest DetroitIan]

IMO this is no contest. The answer is Sergei Fedorov. Fedorov will actually be out there on the ice, rather than on the IR. Too many IFS with Forsberg. If it was for sure that Forsberg will finally stay healthy, than the decision becomes alot harder. But knowing what we know, the answer if definitely Fedorov. I personally was pissed the way Sergei left. But after 5 years, I would forgive and forget. Especially for a player who has done so much for Red Wings hockey. To me this is a no brainer.

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Fedorov. Fedorov. Fedorov.

Clearly. We need him, he'll be able to pitch in anywhere, and he's completely needing to come home.

He's great in the playoffs.

AND...one of the most versatile players in the league...even TODAY still for all of you who think he's washed up...he's not.

Stay healthy Feds, we want you back!

[Pskov Wings Fan 71]

Are you talking about the 37 year old Fedorov? Acutally an honest question since I don't make it a habit to watch the Blue Jackets.

Well, I did watch as many as I could (without missing the Wings) and he is not washed up. He is definitely got slower. His defensive play still quite good.

As for the offense, it was ok when he played for Ducks. In Columbus his stats went down quite a bit, but I think some of it because he had to cover a lot for Columbus "young guns" Zherdev and Nash. From what I've seen neither of them played much defense at all. Also I think large chunk of last season Fedorov was playing as a defenseman.

Having said that I always liked him as a Wing so I am all for bringing him back.

[FireCaptain 563]

I think they are both in danger of officially being labled washed up.

No such thing exists as a healthy Forsberg and Fedorov is just not the player he used to be.

I'd take option C: somebody else

QFT.

I loved Sergei back in the day, but his time has passed.

Never liked Penis Foreskin and I never will. Double entendre not intended.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

Playoff Fedorov is anything but lazy and unmotivated. Not to mention he's still elite defensively even if his offensive numbers haven't been there. Fedorov is a perfect ace in the hole for a deadline acquisition as he can play ANY role apart from goaltender. scoring line, checking line, blue line, PP, PK, etc...

Jesus Pete, man. When will the ridiculous love affair with Fedorov end. I live in Ohio, I have friends that live in Columbus and go to most of the games, he is a borderine 2nd line player now. We see alot of him and what I/we see ain't all that impressive anymore.

The Great two-way player you keep referring too is something in your memory banks that keeps barfing its way up to the surface. He is nothing compared to what he used to be and the Wings aren't the same team that he played with before. The team we had here was chock full of talent all over the ice, had the Russian 5, had Shanny and Stevie, etc...

Fedorov on a line with some kids or getting 2nd line PP minutes or acquiring him for his defensive prowess is just ridiculous IMO. Not too mention he's approaching 40. We dumped Scnides and replaced him with a guy 4 years younger. We need to continue that trend and stay away from aging players (Drake the exception IMO b/c he brings something we lack and desperately need).

Thanks for the memories Feds, be lookin' for your plaque in the Hall one day. But for the love of God don't ever lace 'em up for the Wings again.

Fedorov. Fedorov. Fedorov.

Clearly. We need him, he'll be able to pitch in anywhere, and he's completely needing to come home.

He's great in the playoffs.

AND...one of the most versatile players in the league...even TODAY still for all of you who think he's washed up...he's not.

Stay healthy Feds, we want you back!

"we want you back"

speak for yourself.

I love how whenever people talk about his numbers/offense now all they do is make excuses for how bad they are and immediately jump to the fact that he can still play d pretty well. Think about that for a minute. Do we really want to bring back a 57 year old, slowed down centerman because Bowman used him on defense and he can still kill penalties?

Surely, with 5 mil to spend Ken Holland can be more creative than some of the people on this forum.

Edited July 28, 2007 by GordieSid&Ted

[kozac 10]

All i'm gonna say is this: I went to the Devils-Jackets game here in New Jersey last season and let me tell you, Fedorov was THE HARDEST WORKING PLAYER out there the entire game. I would take him back for a cup run in a heart beat. Trust me he'll be motivated to silence his critics and finish his career off on a high note, but the price would probably be too high and not something that Kenny would want to pay.

[Kp-Wings 3]

GordieSid&Ted, you read my mind, and saved me from saying the same thing.

Seriously though, you couldn't be more right in this situation. I don't know where people come off like Fedorov is as good now as he was 5-10 years ago.

...and I must say: this whole thing with him playing defense is pretty ridiculous. Why not go out and get a natural defenseman if that's what you want? Sorry, but I want a 2nd line center/forward who can still play, not some washed up shell like Fedorov.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

All i'm gonna say is this: I went to the Devils-Jackets game here in New Jersey last season and let me tell you, Fedorov was THE HARDEST WORKING PLAYER out there the entire game. I would take him back for a cup run in a heart beat. Trust me he'll be motivated to silence his critics and finish his career off on a high note, but the price would probably be too high and not something that Kenny would want to pay.

The Fedorov I remember, the great, albeit at times enigmatic Fedorov was a thing of beauty to watch on the ice. He had some much talent that the game looked effortless for him.

Do you know why he was the hardest working player you saw that night? Because he isn't the player he used to be and the talent has fallen off to such a point that working hard is how he stays in the game.

Hey, working hard is great but that's not what made Feds great. Feds didn't have to work all that hard to be great. Like I said, he did great things effortlessly. He can't do that anymore.

Think about the things we've heard people say about Feds in recent threads

1. his numbers are down because he has to play more D

2. his defense is still pretty good

3. even though he's slower he works really hard

Do people realize that that's not Sergei Fedorov. That's Kris Draper. And IMO and no offense here but we don't need another Kris Draper.

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Jesus Pete, man. When will the ridiculous love affair with Fedorov end.

When will your hatred of him end?

I live in Ohio, I have friends that live in Columbus and go to most of the games

OMG, really. you hae friends who live in Columbus..wow. We have an expert here *points*

Fedorov on a line with some kids or getting 2nd line PP minutes or acquiring him for his defensive prowess is just ridiculous IMO. Not too mention he's approaching 40. We dumped Scnides and replaced him with a guy 4 years younger. We need to continue that trend and stay away from aging players (Drake the exception IMO b/c he brings something we lack and desperately need).

Bleh...if you haven't realized....we lack a second line...so we'd like him for that. We'd pick him up at the deadline, so we'd not absorb his entire salaray AND we'd sign him for less last season. Just because you hate him doesn't mean that he's worthless. You are blind if you think he's totally washed up....and you all but admitted that you DON'T pay attention.

I love how whenever people talk about his numbers/offense now all they do is make excuses for how bad they are and immediately jump to the fact that he can still play d pretty well. Think about that for a minute. Do we really want to bring back a 57 year old, slowed down centerman because Bowman used him on defense and he can still kill penalties?

This whole argument pretty much makes no sense, and hinged on a fact that you neither can prove, nor really know because you don't watch him play.

Surely, with 5 mil to spend Ken Holland can be more creative than some of the people on this forum.

Yeah, I guess he doesn't because he hasn't signed anyone yet. And Fedorov on defense is better than a great deal of the defensemen out there.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

When will your hatred of him end?

OMG, really. you hae friends who live in Columbus..wow. We have an expert here *points*

Bleh...if you haven't realized....we lack a second line...so we'd like him for that. We'd pick him up at the deadline, so we'd not absorb his entire salaray AND we'd sign him for less last season. Just because you hate him doesn't mean that he's worthless. You are blind if you think he's totally washed up....and you all but admitted that you DON'T pay attention.

This whole argument pretty much makes no sense, and hinged on a fact that you neither can prove, nor really know because you don't watch him play.

Yeah, I guess he doesn't because he hasn't signed anyone yet. And Fedorov on defense is better than a great deal of the defensemen out there.

Oh yes, i'm a Fedorov hater to the bone.

Loved what he did for this team and will never forget it. I'm just bright enough to know when a good thing is over and its time to move on.

Yeah, I live in Ohio and so do my pals. I'm betting they see him live in the rink about 41 times per season more than you do, so yeah, i'll take their opinion over yours any day of the week.

Obviously if I claimed he's a borderline 2nd line player I don't think he's completely washed up. So next time, read, comprehend and then say something stupid. You know, instead of not reading, not comprehending and then saying something stupid. Becuase the latter just makes you look lazy to boot.

Yeah, I don't stroke Sergei's shaft like you so I must be a hater. Yup, that's me. Got my Feds dartboard up right now as a matter of fact.

You live in whatever RPG world it is you like to dwell in, its your life. But facts are facts and when all anybody has to say about Feds is how good he is defensively and make excuses for his sagging numbers then I think that's enough of a smoking gun for me to want to pass on the guy.

Hey, an aging, slower, less talented, less offensively oriented, strong defensive center to anchor the 2nd scoring line! FUGGIN SWEET! Jesus, why wouldn't we just give the 2nd line job to Draper then. Same ******* player.

Oh P.S. where did I all but admit I don't pay attention? Me thinks you're mistaking me for Pskov or another poster. One of them said they don't watch the BlueJackets very much. If you read carefully you'd see where I stated I "see a lot of him". You know, instead of making fun of me for stating that I live in Ohio, if you'd read the next sentence there was a point to that statement. Of course i'm not surprised that you missed something.

Edited July 28, 2007 by GordieSid&Ted

[OsGOD 3]

Well in all fairness, it is the blue jackets that he plays for... their team chemistry sucks A LOT...

[evil204 4]

There was one game I saw last year against the Wings where Fedorov was flying all over the place, making great passes, and I think he scored a goal or 2. I think he's definitely still capable of playing at a high level, and the main reason why his production has dropped off is his inability to stay healthy (I wish everyone trained like Chelios...)

Fedorov is obviously not going to play the way he played the last time we saw him as a Wing, but I'd say he's still better than anyone we have on offense, besides Datsyuk and Zetterberg.

[OsGOD 3]

Not to mention take puck hog nash away from him and give him guys he can have chemistry with... he would thrive once again.

[Kp-Wings 3]

Yeah, I guess he doesn't because he hasn't signed anyone yet. And Fedorov on defense is better than a great deal of the defensemen out there.

If it's a 2nd line forward that the Wings need, than how is this in any relevant at all?

[Izzy24 44]

I think they are both in danger of officially being labled washed up.

No such thing exists as a healthy Forsberg and Fedorov is just not the player he used to be.

I'd take option C: somebody else

That said, I would rather the Wings pick up Forsberg if he is STILL unsigned simply because I really wouldn't want to give up much at all for an aging Fedorov. No offense Fedorov fans.

Me too.

One thing that I'm curious about is this strong hatred for Forsberg. In his prime- which is long gone- he was one of the best players on the ice. While I hated the Avalanche and thus hated him during Wings v Avs games, I held no ill will toward him otherwise. He was the exact type of player I'd love to have on my roster. I typed "Was" because now he is far too injury plagued to be worth the cap space.

So my question I is why do some of you hate him so much? He played phsycial, but I don't remember him playing dirty. I also don't remember him diving either.

Just curious.

They hate him because, like Roy, he was awesome in the rivalry days. Nobody hates Eric Messier or Jon Klemm. Why? Because they sucked.

[norrisnick 1]

If it's a 2nd line forward that the Wings need, than how is this in any relevant at all?

Because he can play high level defense in a pinch. Did you forget who was injured in the playoffs? Our #2 and #3 defensemen.

Schneider was our #2 and just signed with the Cup Champs for nearly $6M/yr. I'd rather have Fedorov on the blueline than Schneider as Sergei does everything Schneider can do PLUS he's good at defense. Toss in the fact that he's a natural center and can play the wing and you've got yourself the most versatile player in the league. Even if he's a shell of his former self he's still a damn good player because at his peak he was arguably (and for my money) the most complete hockey player ever.

[Kp-Wings 3]

Schneider was our #2 and just signed with the Cup Champs for nearly $6M/yr. I'd rather have Fedorov on the blueline than Schneider as Sergei does everything Schneider can do PLUS he's good at defense. Toss in the fact that he's a natural center and can play the wing and you've got yourself the most versatile player in the league. Even if he's a shell of his former self he's still a damn good player because at his peak he was arguably (and for my money) the most complete hockey player ever.

I'm not sold on that logic. Everytime I watch him play, he never looks that good. Yes, he did score a shootout winner against the Wings earlier, but still. If he actually stays healthy, and proves he can play at a top level, than maybe I'll be more sold on the idea. Until the season starts though, I will think the same way as I do now.

Because he can play high level defense in a pinch. Did you forget who was injured in the playoffs? Our #2 and #3 defensemen.

If that happens, it still does nothing for the 2nd line.

I'd be happy if Holland got someone else, another top 6 forward obviously, along with Fedorov if it must be. Then we'll have what we need in help on the 2nd line, and Fedorov to appease everyone.

Edited July 28, 2007 by Kp-Wings

[Guest Crymson]

I agree. If/when Kronwall goes down, Fedorov on the point is a huge step up from Lebda or Chelios. In fact, I think both would be surprisingly good deadline acquistions. Forsberg was even more banged up when he played for Nashville in the playoffs, and he was one of their best forwards. Hes already said he feels better after this surgery than the last one, and hes still a gritty guy - had something like 8 hits in Game 1 against San Jose of all teams.

..and both of these guys have an extra playoff gear.

Feds has perpetually made clear his distaste for playing D.

Fedorov. Fedorov. Fedorov.

Clearly. We need him,

Okay, I think this is clearly where the line should be drawn. lol. We *need* him? Uhm, no.

When will your hatred of him end?

OMG, really. you hae friends who live in Columbus..wow. We have an expert here *points*

Bleh...if you haven't realized....we lack a second line...so we'd like him for that. We'd pick him up at the deadline, so we'd not absorb his entire salaray AND we'd sign him for less last season. Just because you hate him doesn't mean that he's worthless. You are blind if you think he's totally washed up....and you all but admitted that you DON'T pay attention.

This whole argument pretty much makes no sense, and hinged on a fact that you neither can prove, nor really know because you don't watch him play.

Yeah, I guess he doesn't because he hasn't signed anyone yet. And Fedorov on defense is better than a great deal of the defensemen out there.

I don't see why any questioning of your Fedorov-worshipping beliefs is such a threat to you.

[SweWings 45]

These posts are always great since no-one ever changes their opinion between them.

I don't want Fedorov because he's not worth the money he makes. He's not the player he used to be and hasn't been for a while. Also I'm worried how he'd affect the chemistry on the team - taking Bertuzzi on was a risk and I'd say taking Feds on would be an even greater risk. That being said if the team wants him and it works then why not pull the trigger at the deadline...As long as it's short-term then he could obviously help.

Same thing with Forsberg I suppose but I'm not sure if I want the guy anymore. I'd rather give a guy like Filps the chance to take on the 2nd line center role...

Overall though both of these guys are way to risky to gamble on, esp if there are better alternatives out there. That being said, picking up either of these guys without disrupting team chemistry would probably be a good deal...