The Fight Thread

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

Hartnell has never been a big fighter. To me, he's almost like Jordin Tootoo, except he's bigger, can score more goals, and is willing to fight a little bit more. Tootoo, though, is a better fighter.

It surprises me that Trotz doesn't allow him to do that, since Tootoo can actually hold his own with some pretty good fighters when he has to. I wonder how Downey would fare against Tootoo, since Ken Daniels always teases me into thinking they'll go at some point when we play Nashville.

I had forgotten all about this one but it was a doozy. This was actually on the very first fight tape I ever bought. I think I watched it 50 times. Brad May doing the Superman was awesome

[Lou_Siffer 1]

Haha, seeing Barnaby jump up like that and beat the hell out of snow had me cracking up! And of course, anything called by Rick Jeanerrette just adds to the excitement!

Hartnell has never been a big fighter. To me, he's almost like Jordin Tootoo, except he's bigger, can score more goals, and is willing to fight a little bit more. Tootoo, though, is a better fighter.

It surprises me that Trotz doesn't allow him to do that, since Tootoo can actually hold his own with some pretty good fighters when he has to. I wonder how Downey would fare against Tootoo, since Ken Daniels always teases me into thinking they'll go at some point when we play Nashville.

Ive been waiting for Downey/Tootoo as well. Tootoo is tough, but on paper its still a mismatch. I think Tootoo would get the jump on him early by doing the "decline then suddenly drop 'em by surprise and attack" tactic. He'd probably be the first to shed the gloves trying to get an advantage, so as long as Downey holds off the initial attack he would soon take over for the win. Thats how i see it!

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

During there s*** kicing last night, Eric Boulton got a bit mad.

Boulton swinging at everything

There was also an actual fight in that game, Pratt and Thorborn.

[Grittzkey 1]

And people laughed at me for wanting Boulton on our team, Thats exactly the kind of player we need, A BAD ASS.

[Kp-Wings 3]

And people laughed at me for wanting Boulton on our team, Thats exactly the kind of player we need, A BAD ASS.

Haha, yeah right. Boulton used to be a bad ass in his Buffalo days, but being under Bob Hartley's restraining order really made him a whimp. He's gotten a little better this season, but the Boulton of old would challange guys without even thinking. Now, he doesn't seem as into it.

As I stated, I souly blame Bob Hartley for this. He ruined Boulton, and also ruined Andy Sutton while he was at it (fighting wise anyways). It was sickening to see the 2006-2007 Atlanta Thrashers have all these tough guys on it, yet none of them we're allowed to fight. Wasting resources if you ask me.

But... when it comes right down to it... Boulton would still probably be an upgrade over Kopecky.

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

Great fight between Cote and McGrattan tonight.

http://www.hockeyfights.com/fights/40550

Win Cote.

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

Capitals vs. Penguins tonight. Hopefully we'll see Laraque and Brashear dance one more time. And this time with minimal hugging if at all possible.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

Haha, yeah right. Boulton used to be a bad ass in his Buffalo days, but being under Bob Hartley's restraining order really made him a whimp. He's gotten a little better this season, but the Boulton of old would challange guys without even thinking. Now, he doesn't seem as into it.

As I stated, I souly blame Bob Hartley for this. He ruined Boulton, and also ruined Andy Sutton while he was at it (fighting wise anyways). It was sickening to see the 2006-2007 Atlanta Thrashers have all these tough guys on it, yet none of them we're allowed to fight. Wasting resources if you ask me.

But... when it comes right down to it... Boulton would still probably be an upgrade over Kopecky.

I detest Boulton for the same reasons I detested guys like Enrico Ciccone and Eric Cairns.

The days of the straight up enforcer are over. IMO, there's no place on a hockey team for a guy who is a complete ****** bag. And those guys are.

I love to see a fight. But I believe in the code and I believe that you should respect other guys and fight accordingly. No sucker punching guys, especially non fighters. No punching guys that are tied up with the linesman or teeing off on guys who are already down on the ice.

Boulton is that type of player. He has no honor. He's a tough dude for sure and he can fight. But a guy with no code, no honor shouldn't be disgracing a Redwings uniform

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

I detest Boulton for the same reasons I detested guys like Enrico Ciccone and Eric Cairns.

The days of the straight up enforcer are over. IMO, there's no place on a hockey team for a guy who is a complete ****** bag. And those guys are.

I love to see a fight. But I believe in the code and I believe that you should respect other guys and fight accordingly. No sucker punching guys, especially non fighters. No punching guys that are tied up with the linesman or teeing off on guys who are already down on the ice.

Boulton is that type of player. He has no honor. He's a tough dude for sure and he can fight. But a guy with no code, no honor shouldn't be disgracing a Redwings uniform

I can't agree with you there. I miss seeing guys like Enrico Ciccone or Gino Odjick. That nut that everyone knew was going to do something crazy any minute is something I enjoyed about the old days. Also, why can't the league have more guys like that? If they're going to have guys like Tootoo or Downie running around cheapshoting players, then why not have more guys that take liberties during fights? Some of the all time great enforcers were cheap, dirty fighters, and there's no rule out there now that says we can't have any more of that. I blame most of this on Bettman, and his anti-fighting cronies that are running the league offices.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

I can't agree with you there. I miss seeing guys like Enrico Ciccone or Gino Odjick. That nut that everyone knew was going to do something crazy any minute is something I enjoyed about the old days. Also, why can't the league have more guys like that? If they're going to have guys like Tootoo or Downie running around cheapshoting players, then why not have more guys that take liberties during fights? Some of the all time great enforcers were cheap, dirty fighters, and there's no rule out there now that says we can't have any more of that. I blame most of this on Bettman, and his anti-fighting cronies that are running the league offices.

The reason I didn't like those players is because more often than not those big idiots were the ones taking the liberties. How great would it be to see Eric Cairns roughing up Pavel Datsyuk? I don't think that would be too great.

Plus, those guys leave too many bad memories and black eyes for even my liking.

Odjick on Todd Harvey?

Matt Johnson on Jeff Beukeboom?

I could go on and on.

The modern day NHL enforcer doesn't typically act like that anymore. They can't else they would hurt their team too much and never get on the ice. They're used more as a reserve weapon these days and frankly, that's fine with me.

The old days of watching complete mismatches where some 0 point enforcer starts teeing off on anybody in a different sweater doesn't strike me as being tough. I think its bulls*** and shows no character and a complete lack of honor.

Oh well, we can't all think alike on everything.

Here's one that I love.

Chara vs Hinote. Now these guys aren't anywhere near the same class but I hate Hinote with a passion so watching Chara sort of halfheartedly feed him his lunch is great.

The best part is after Hinote won't just stay down Big Z is like "f*** this" and finally sheds the mits and starts wailing on Hinote even more.

this one is just too funny

Edited January 22, 2008 by GordieSid&Ted

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

The reason I didn't like those players is because more often than not those big idiots were the ones taking the liberties. How great would it be to see Eric Cairns roughing up Pavel Datsyuk? I don't think that would be too great.

Plus, those guys leave too many bad memories and black eyes for even my liking.

Odjick on Todd Harvey?

Matt Johnson on Jeff Beukeboom?

I could go on and on.

The modern day NHL enforcer doesn't typically act like that anymore. They can't else they would hurt their team too much and never get on the ice. They're used more as a reserve weapon these days and frankly, that's fine with me.

The old days of watching complete mismatches where some 0 point enforcer starts teeing off on anybody in a different sweater doesn't strike me as being tough. I think its bulls*** and shows no character and a complete lack of honor.

Oh well, we can't all think alike on everything.

Here's one that I love.

Chara vs Hinote. Now these guys aren't anywhere near the same class but I hate Hinote with a passion so watching Chara sort of halfheartedly feed him his lunch is great.

The best part is after Hinote won't just stay down Big Z is like "f*** this" and finally sheds the mits and starts wailing on Hinote even more.

this one is just too funny

Great video! Hinote is an annoying little s***bag, so it's great seeing him get beat up? What teams are they playing for, though? I'm assuming those were their minor league days, but do you know what particular league that's from?

[skacore 2]

Great video! Hinote is an annoying little s***bag, so it's great seeing him get beat up? What teams are they playing for, though? I'm assuming those were their minor league days, but do you know what particular league that's from?

sweden in the lockout year

[skacore 2]

The reason I didn't like those players is because more often than not those big idiots were the ones taking the liberties. How great would it be to see Eric Cairns roughing up Pavel Datsyuk? I don't think that would be too great.

Plus, those guys leave too many bad memories and black eyes for even my liking.

Odjick on Todd Harvey?

Matt Johnson on Jeff Beukeboom?

I could go on and on.

The modern day NHL enforcer doesn't typically act like that anymore. They can't else they would hurt their team too much and never get on the ice. They're used more as a reserve weapon these days and frankly, that's fine with me.

The old days of watching complete mismatches where some 0 point enforcer starts teeing off on anybody in a different sweater doesn't strike me as being tough. I think its bulls*** and shows no character and a complete lack of honor.

Oh well, we can't all think alike on everything.

Here's one that I love.

Chara vs Hinote. Now these guys aren't anywhere near the same class but I hate Hinote with a passion so watching Chara sort of halfheartedly feed him his lunch is great.

The best part is after Hinote won't just stay down Big Z is like "f*** this" and finally sheds the mits and starts wailing on Hinote even more.

this one is just too funny

guys like that are good for the game.. if guys who intimidate opponents on the ice cause they haev no idea what theyre going to do next are gone, enforcers will slowly die down...and that's not something i want

[Lou_Siffer 1]

guys like that are good for the game.. if guys who intimidate opponents on the ice cause they haev no idea what theyre going to do next are gone, enforcers will slowly die down...and that's not something i want

Agreed. I too view it as a cause and effect type thing. Other teams dress their enforcers in order to counteract what the "codeless enforcer" might do during the course of a game. All in all it equals fun for me in the end.

[skacore 2]

if there weren't players like that there would be no more rivalries and every fight would have a handshake before and after like laraque and ivanans last year.... grudge is good in the game of hockey

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

I love Boston/Montreal games

Sergei Kostisyn threw a questionable hit on Krecji and Kobasew comes over and they have a go, win Kobasew, but good showing by Kostitsyn, hope theres more rough stuff.

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

I got my wish, Hnidy hit Begin who just came back from a shoulder injury, from behind, Kostopolous comes over and drops them with him, win Hnidy, but I like Kostopolous for standing up for Begin.

[Kp-Wings 3]

if there weren't players like that there would be no more rivalries and every fight would have a handshake before and after like laraque and ivanans last year.... grudge is good in the game of hockey

Oh wow, tell me about it. That fight was a joke.

Laraque is almost like a middle man anymore. He's an incredably boring fighter, and it seems like he get's along with everyone he plays against. He shows no passion when he fights.

The NHL needs more guys like McGratten: guys that like to fight, and do it for the sake of beating other guys up. Guys like Laraque are just boring, because it's like he has no interest fighting.

Edited January 23, 2008 by Kp-Wings

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

if there weren't players like that there would be no more rivalries and every fight would have a handshake before and after like laraque and ivanans last year.... grudge is good in the game of hockey

I disagree. Look at the Sharks/Preds series from last year. Hartnell, Tootoo, Clowe, Grier, etc...

No big heavyweights mixed up in that yet that was some of the most entertaining brawling i've seen in awhile.

Look back at our big rivalry with Colorado? How much of an impact did Odjers or Rychel or Kocur have in those games? Almost nothing from the fighting standoint.

Those rivalries were born of Lemieux, Foote, Lacroix, Corbet, Shanahan, Lapointe, McCarty, Rouse

All players who could play the game and mix it up. That's where all the brawling and intensity came from.

It hardly came from Severyn teeing off on Aaron Ward or Kocur slamming Messier to the ice.

Peters, McGratton, Orr, Laraque, Cairns, Boulton, those guys don't make rivalries. A rivalry usually stews and broils in the mid-level guys and actual players. The Nuclear weapons are only there to counterbalance one another.

If I never see a dolt like Cairns, Ciccone or Jim Cummins (ugghhh) in the NHL again I'll be fine with it. And I'm as big a fight enthusiast as you'll ever find. IMO, a great fight isn't Scott Parker versus Andrew Peters.

A great fight is Shanny vs Foote or Iginla vs Lecavalier or Clowe versus any ****** from Nashville. Fights that mean something. Fights that breed bitterness and hatred. Fights between players who see ice time and will be out there again to fire up the game even more. Not the slow, immobile heavyweight who is only there to pick on a skill player and then answer the other team's heavyweight. Its a great show but it doesn't breed the hatred.

[Turkey 0]

Going to have to agree w/ GST on this one. Guys who exist only to fight are a waste of space and a mockery of the game. Iginla v. Lecavalier? I loved that.

[Lou_Siffer 1]

Cote got smacked around pretty good by Laraque tonight. I wish he'd fight with a purpose like this more often. Props to Cote though as this guy can take a punch like no other!

[Duck Guy 86]

Parros and Ivanans got into it tonight no video yet so i dont know how good it is ^^.

[e_mcgrath88 0]

Laying a beating on Cote then hitting Downie from behind... a great night for Big George... he's not a boring fighter at all its just everybody that fights him holds on for dear life or falls before the fight begins.. Laraque appears to be wrestling but really he's just struggling to keep the other guy frpm going down...

[Kp-Wings 3]

Cote got smacked around pretty good by Laraque tonight. I wish he'd fight with a purpose like this more often. Props to Cote though as this guy can take a punch like no other!

Cote is great. The guy has a rock for a head. He can really take a beating, and it doesn't even phase him.

It'd be nice to have someone like that on the Wings. Of course, you know...

[BlueMonk 102]

Cote got smacked around pretty good by Laraque tonight. I wish he'd fight with a purpose like this more often. Props to Cote though as this guy can take a punch like no other!

Total domination by Laraque. Did you see how BGL let Cote back up after he knocked him down to one knee? I love to see stuff like that. Credit to Cote who took a massive beating but wouldn't go down. Lots o' heart from that kid.