GDT 11/17: Blackhawks 5, Red Wings 3

[Grittzkey 1]

We need Franzen to wake the hell up btw.

as much as i dislike Ellis, Franzen is making Ellis look like a god. Franzen is just like Lilja right now, Dosnt do anything, and dosnt use his size for nothing. Holland needs to text the NYR and say Franzen for Prucha? and shake hands.

[puckloo39 5,686]

hasek is the last line of defense. 4 goals on 16 shots is pretty much inexcusable especially since it's been a trend with hasek all year.

He needs more shots, not fewer, if he's ever going to get back in it. Dom isn't the only goalie with bad stats based on low SOG, he's just the only one with those stats who is playing for the Wings. Therefore, it's inexcusable.

[CopenhagenWing 38]

hasek is the last line of defense. 4 goals on 16 shots is pretty much inexcusable especially since it's been a trend with hasek all year.

What do you mean by last line? Today it looked like he was the only line.

Hasek obviously needs to pick up his game but it wouldn't hurt if the skaters got their collective heads out of their asses.

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

We need Franzen to wake the hell up btw.

as much as i dislike Ellis, Franzen is making Ellis look like a god. Franzen is just like Lilja right now, Dosnt do anything, and dosnt use his size for nothing. Holland needs to text the NYR and say Franzen for Prucha? and shake hands.

Too soft and small, Franzen for Avery or Shanahan

[GuloGulo 0]

Lilja was flawless tonight btw.

[Flip-check 6]

unless Hasek caused all the penalties leading to the PP opportunties in this games and several others, I'd have to agree that D needs to work on siopping guys like Sharp. In several other games, they were blocking shots and cutting off breakaways, but not lately.

Did Nick just hit an ice rut? That was a really poor time to fall down.

Whatever it was it had his number. Possibly a stray McDonald's wrapper from Lang?

But on the other hand of the Great Hasek Debate, if Dom were in his "normal form" (which we'll have to see if he's able to reacquire, or if he merely is falling prey to natural age and we got the bad end of the gamble), he would have completely owned all three of those breaks. No question. We've all seen him do it and ridiculously shut down teams before.

So all in all I say the blame is 50/50, if I were in a blaming mood. The season is still young yet though.

[Grittzkey 1]

Soft and Small.. dosnt that fit our team perscisely?

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

Soft and Small.. dosnt that fit our team perscisely?

[RedWingsFanatic 4]

He needs more shots, not fewer, if he's ever going to get back in it. Dom isn't the only goalie with bad stats based on low SOG, he's just the only one with those stats who is playing for the Wings. Therefore, it's inexcusable.

I really do admire your loyalty, but there just comes a point when you have go give it up, right? It's alright to admit that Hasek just doesn't cut it right now.

Like I was saying earlier, I'm not a Hasek basher, but it's just blatantly obvious that Chris Osgood should be starting in net on a nightly basis. Maybe Ozzie hits a cold stretch and you stick Dom back in and the tide turns, but you have to go with the hot goalie. And, right now, the hot goalie is not Dominik Hasek.

[TSD 10]

You guys are being too hard on hasek, and a stroking the skaters performance way too much. Yeah hasek may have been off, but the PP guys should not have allowed 4 breaks while they are on the PP, hell if you guys just sat in your own end and drained the clock on the PP, you win. You forget hasek was there to make some stellar saves, it seems what few chances the hawks got were good ones.

Edited November 18, 2007 by TSD

[puckloo39 5,686]

Whatever it was it had his number. Possibly a stray McDonald's wrapper from Lang?

But on the other hand of the Great Hasek Debate, if Dom were in his "normal form" (which we'll have to see if he's able to reacquire, or if he merely is falling prey to natural age and we got the bad end of the gamble), he would have completely owned all three of those breaks. No question. We've all seen him do it and ridiculously shut down teams before.

So all in all I say the blame is 50/50, if I were in a blaming mood. The season is still young yet though.

nah, Flip, it's over, we are done for.

Just for fun I went to nhl.com to see who's in the doghouse with Dom, with sub .900 s%

Leading the bottom 10: Brodeur .892; a little closer to Dom's neighborhood, Khabibulin @ .888, and next door neighbor in Hell? None other than Miika Kiprusoff with a sparkling .887.

Fire them all, I say! Demote Brodeur, put Kipper on waivers.

None of the above have "lost it" -- BTW, Brodie's lost 10 games, Khabi 6, and Kipper 8. Dom's lost 4, and didn't do it alone any more than the above mentioned crappy goalies did.

just sayin...

[GuloGulo 0]

His SVS % is irrelevant. It's the fact that he's letting midget hockey plays result into goals that matters.

[RedWingsFanatic 4]

You guys are being too hard on hasek, and a stroking the skaters performance way too much. Yeah hasek may have been off, but the PP guys should not have allowed 4 breaks while they are on the PP, hell if you guys just sat in your own end and drained the clock on the PP, you win. You forget hasek was there to make some stellar saves, it seems what few chances the hawks got were good ones.

This is true. But, with that being said, the breakaways were shots that should have been saved. I'm certainly not blaming the entire loss on Hasek, as the defensive corps has to do a much better job of stopping odd-man rushes. It's becoming a disturbing trend. It's just hard to ignore the big picture, though. I think that's the hardest thing to get by. This wasn't just one game, it's a string of games and a string of sub-par performances. I'm coming across as so incredibly anti-Hasek, and it's not that, it's just that there shouldn't be ANY question that Osgood should be starting.

[Guest Jeremy88]

Osgood needs to be the starter. If Ozzie gets more starts this year, it could help prepare him for the playoffs, and if we're going to contend for the cup, we're going to need a goalie with the skill to win a cup in this day and age. We've got the good goalie, but we need him to be ready when the time comes.

Osgood should be the starter, dom should be the backup

[Grittzkey 1]

i came to the conclusion that since Oli Jokinen is trade material for the Panthers, we try to snag him.

Then we have our 4th line consisting of Drake,Kopecky,Downey. so we can have 2 solid scoring lines. 1 solid defensive line.. and 1 line that will play like the guys from the movie Slapshot and make us the most feared team EVER@@@@

[HockeyCrazy3033 168]

The only positive out of this game was it being a sellout.

The Wings SHOULD of won this game. The game was in their hands and they let it slip away. And yes Hasek is and should take most of the blame. I haven't said anything negative about him all season, but tonight was it for me in terms of the fact that he is slowing down and isn't the same anymore. Osgood needs to start from here on out until he gives the coaching staff a reason not to play him. You go with the hot goaltender. Oz would be starter if Hasek wasn't Hasek, and that's the only thing stopping Babs from making him #1 and we all know it.

BTW, the penalty on both Lids and Raffy were completely ridiculous.

Edited November 18, 2007 by HockeyCrazy3033

[55fan 5,133]

QUOTE(55fan @ November 17, 2007 - 09:43PM)

You know, I think we need to take a diplomatic course of action. Kind of a good will thing. We should have one of our players visit his counterpart on the opposing team, wish him luck, give him a man-hug. Things like that. We'll try it the next time Ozzie gets the flu. It would have been a good thing this time.

Freak'n bunny huggers...they'll let anyone in here.

Translation for the mentally impaired:

Ozzie is a goalie. He was out with the flu. Had he given the flu to Khabi, Chicago would not have had a good goalie in net tonight. We had a lot of shots. We might have won without him in there.

Note: If you got it the first time, ignore this post.

[wingnut40 176]

Lilja was flawless tonight btw.

Yeah, Lilja was really good tonight. On another note, what the f*** was wrong with our ******* defence and ******* Dominik Hasek? 4 ******* goals 17 ******* shots? That's totaly unexceptable. How the f*** is he so ******* inconsistent? He's either magnificent or totaly ******* s***. And how the f*** were they that open to breakaway and score short handed? I feel bad for Nick. Really bad time to fall down.

I won't be posting on here anymore because in like 5 minutes I'm going to go take a toaster bath.

[good morning 10]

4 goals in 17 shots is inexcusable, i don't know why people are saying it's acceptable, especially 3 on a break-away. 3 goals on breakaways MAY be partially the team's fault (even though they played great), but what does that say about what he'd be like in a shootout? think about it. if he can't stop breakaways, no matter who was responsible for letting it happen, he should not be in net. He will lose us every shootout he's in.

[Grittzkey 1]

nah, Flip, it's over, we are done for.

Just for fun I went to nhl.com to see who's in the doghouse with Dom, with sub .900 s%

Leading the bottom 10: Brodeur .892; a little closer to Dom's neighborhood, Khabibulin @ .888, and next door neighbor in Hell? None other than Miika Kiprusoff with a sparkling .887.

Fire them all, I say! Demote Brodeur, put Kipper on waivers.

None of the above have "lost it" -- BTW, Brodie's lost 10 games, Khabi 6, and Kipper 8. Dom's lost 4, and didn't do it alone any more than the above mentioned crappy goalies did.

just sayin...

eww, a dom lover..

what kind of person are you?

[puckloo39 5,686]

I really do admire your loyalty, but there just comes a point when you have go give it up, right? It's alright to admit that Hasek just doesn't cut it right now.

Like I was saying earlier, I'm not a Hasek basher, but it's just blatantly obvious that Chris Osgood should be starting in net on a nightly basis. Maybe Ozzie hits a cold stretch and you stick Dom back in and the tide turns, but you have to go with the hot goalie. And, right now, the hot goalie is not Dominik Hasek.

You're very kind, Red. I will stick with The Goalie, though. He's going to get back, if he is given the chance.

I have no issue with playing Ozzie. But what do the Wings do with Dom? Perhaps the people who are suggesting Grand Rapids (although they could use some help in goal, from what I've read) or waiving him, are kidding. They may as well be, since Kenny Holland will never do that to Dom, nor to Ozzie if the tables were turned and Oz was playing badly.

One question: if they dump Dom, and go with Ozzie and Howard, and something happens to Ozzie... we go to the playoffs with Howard and a rent-a-goalie? I am thinking no Cup in that case, no offence to Jimmy who has played 3 NHL games, or is it 4 now?

[RedWingsFanatic 4]

One question: if they dump Dom, and go with Ozzie and Howard, and something happens to Ozzie... we go to the playoffs with Howard and a rent-a-goalie? I am thinking no Cup in that case, no offence to Jimmy who has played 3 NHL games, or is it 4 now?

Nobody is saying to dump Hasek. You make him the back-up, essentially switching roles with Osgood. If Osgood gets hurt, Hasek steps in. Just reverse how it is now.

[Jwo 7]

The only good thing was 20,066 tickets were sold.

[puckloo39 5,686]

but what does that say about what he'd be like in a shootout? think about it. if he can't stop breakaways, no matter who was responsible for letting it happen, he should not be in net. He will lose us every shootout he's in.

really?

[HockeyCrazy3033 168]

Nobody is saying to dump Hasek. You make him the back-up, essentially switching roles with Osgood. If Osgood gets hurt, Hasek steps in. Just reverse how it is now.

exactly