Wings Worst Stat Right Now

[toby91_ca 620]

So, there isn't that many ugly stats in Detroit right now, other than their record against Chicago, but one that is really ugly?

Dom's save percentage = 0.859. That percentage is downright ugly, but what makes it worse is that it is DEAD LAST in the league amongst goalies who have played 5 games or more. There are 5 goalies in the leauge with a worse percentage, but they have played a combined 13 games (about 2.5 games each).

The next worst is 0.879.

[Guest Agalloch]

Well, thank you for this very obscure stat that none of us were aware of. You certainly have made us all aware now, and hopefully the Wings realize this too, so that they can do something about it. Have you every thought about an executive position in the NHL?

[tony 3]

yea to bad we dont have a goalie who is playin amazing to turn to that would solve all our problems

[toby91_ca 620]

Well, thank you for this very obscure stat that none of us were aware of. You certainly have made us all aware now, and hopefully the Wings realize this too, so that they can do something about it. Have you every thought about an executive position in the NHL?

You're welcome, glad I was able to help you today.

I guess I didn't realize everyone knew....since I'm assuming you have being sarcastic. I knew Dom as doing poorly, but I didn't realize he was dead last until I looked it up tonight.

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

Well, thank you for this very obscure stat that none of us were aware of. You certainly have made us all aware now, and hopefully the Wings realize this too, so that they can do something about it. Have you every thought about an executive position in the NHL?

I'm not sure it warranted its own thread, but our starting goalie's save percentage is an obscure stat?

[norrisnick 1]

I'm not sure it warranted its own thread, but our starting goalie's save percentage is an obscure stat?

HAHAHA harold got pwnt bi teh sarkzm stik!!!11

[Johnny Diamonds 25]

Score more goals! 2 and 3 goals a game is not gonna get it done on most nights! We NEED a top foward for the second line and fast...

[ben_usmc 253]

Our D has been sucking lately too, but yeah I knew he's supposed to have a slow start but man Hasek looks like he doesn't have it anymore, maybe he is getting the preplayoff gitters out...... I HOPE

[irishtemper14+25 11]

Our D has been sucking lately too, but yeah I knew he's supposed to have a slow start but man Hasek looks like he doesn't have it anymore, maybe he is getting the preplayoff gitters out...... I HOPE

how has our d been sucking? they gave up 16 shots last game

i dont really think they are playing bad

[RedWings Gone Wild 6]

how has our d been sucking? they gave up 16 shots last game

i dont really think they are playing bad

Well, look at the first goal that went in. Our entire D got burned badly. The second was a lucky bounce for the Hawks. The fourth goal was a bad slipup by Lidstrom. Sure, he didn't face many shots, but he faced 4 breakaways last night. Is he playing badly right now? Yes. but we set him up to fail last night.

[auxlepli 17]

Shorthanded goals against, 6, is the worst in the League.

[TheWestWing 71]

Roofie's TOI.

And plz edit your title for grammer - you think this is the EDM board or summin?!?

[Offsides 21]

how has our d been sucking? they gave up 16 shots last game

i dont really think they are playing bad

I'm *not* making a judgement on the defense...just pointing out something.

Just because the goalie is not making a lot of stops does not mean the D is doing good. They are accountable like anyone else.

For instance, on a 2 on 1, if the D man doesn't cover the pass, so that the pass cannot be completed but instead commits to one of the forwards the goalie will have little to no chance of saving it going side to side on a setup like that. The defenseman should let the guy with the puck make the shot and trust the goalie to save it...but if he lets the pass get through..what kind of chance does the goalie have? Not so much.

Common sense, right. Yep...welll but that's an instance of there being a shot to do a better defense play. If the D is blocking all the easy shots and letting people walk in on odd man rushes, etc. The goalie can just as easily block the easy shots as the D. The D needs to stop the stupid 3 on 2's and situations where the goalie has no chance and let the goalie do their job on the rest.

In this instance, I think that it's a mixture. Some years we've just had such good defense that we don't take many shots because they don't even get into our zone...in this case I think we have a really good offense, so we are in their zone a lot, accounting for less shots, but our D isn't as fantabulous as years past this year...it's just not. I think right now they are trusting Ozzie more than Dom, so it turns out that most games Dom plays they pull back more, aren't as open offensively or aggressive, and are more on the defensive, which probably helps no one. It would probably be okay, but Dom's not playing well at all...so there's lots of factors going into the losses. And lots of factors going into Ozzie's wins.

It's easy to trust Ozzie because you pretty much know exactly what he'll do. He's been labeled as inconsistant a lot which I've never understood because he's the most consistant goalie..does the same things over and over. Is usually in position, and you can figure he'll let in a couple of goals, so you know the benchmark you have to hit. Generally speaking he isn't getting his 2 gaa by doing shutout then letting in 4 the next game. It's easy to win with Ozzie in net, which is why he has lots of wins.

Dom, even on the top of his game is sort of a rogue force, and I think he makes the D nervous to a certain extent because they never know when he'll do something crazy. Watch the way they play in front of him..more pulled back and reserved. Maybe, until recently, Dom's never been accused of letting in a softie, but you'll never know when he'll wander away or do something crazy. Right now Dom's not playing like himself at all. It's been noticeable since pre-season/training camp that he's looked older and slower.

Bascially I'm saying 2 things. Dom hasn't been great, but neither has the D. And the shots don't necessarily indicate how the D is playing...it might and it might not...you have to watch the games to get a feeling for it.

[puckloo39 5,686]

I'm *not* making a judgement on the defense...just pointing out something.

Just because the goalie is not making a lot of stops does not mean the D is doing good. They are accountable like anyone else.

Bascially I'm saying 2 things. Dom hasn't been great, but neither has the D. And the shots don't necessarily indicate how the D is playing...it might and it might not...you have to watch the games to get a feeling for it.

true enough (all you said, I just paraphrased, OS). The game last night was a result, at least in part, of failure on the part of the D to simply do their jobs. Chelios was missing, and that, to me was critical. I doubt we will see another game like what the Wings put on the ice last night again. At least I hope not.

Several players are struggling (at least by LGW standards), not just Dominik. He's just the most obvious target. They need to issue him a jersey with one of those red and white Target dot logos on it.

[Offsides 21]

true enough (all you said, I just paraphrased, OS). The game last night was a result, at least in part, of failure on the part of the D to simply do their jobs. Chelios was missing, and that, to me was critical. I doubt we will see another game like what the Wings put on the ice last night again. At least I hope not.

Several players are struggling (at least by LGW standards), not just Dominik. He's just the most obvious target. They need to issue him a jersey with one of those red and white Target dot logos on it.

I just have seen too many games like that where the D stops everything that's easy to save and then you're left with 10 shots and they're all breakaways and 2 on 1's etc. Which .. we shouldn't have that many defensive breakdowns.

If the D is stopping all shots but then just causing horrible defensive breakdowns...well. And we have had a lot of odd man rushes and such lately.

The D has been lacking, it's just that Dom is also not making saves that he would usually make. The combination is brutal.

[BringHomeTheCup! 0]

It's easy to trust Ozzie because you pretty much know exactly what he'll do. He's been labeled as inconsistant a lot which I've never understood because he's the most consistant goalie..does the same things over and over. Is usually in position, and you can figure he'll let in a couple of goals, so you know the benchmark you have to hit. Generally speaking he isn't getting his 2 gaa by doing shutout then letting in 4 the next game. It's easy to win with Ozzie in net, which is why he has lots of wins.

Dom, even on the top of his game is sort of a rogue force, and I think he makes the D nervous to a certain extent because they never know when he'll do something crazy. Watch the way they play in front of him..more pulled back and reserved. Maybe, until recently, Dom's never been accused of letting in a softie, but you'll never know when he'll wander away or do something crazy. Right now Dom's not playing like himself at all. It's been noticeable since pre-season/training camp that he's looked older and slower.

Bascially I'm saying 2 things. Dom hasn't been great, but neither has the D. And the shots don't necessarily indicate how the D is playing...it might and it might not...you have to watch the games to get a feeling for it.

I've always said that and no one seems to get it. Dom is a lot harder for defense to play in front of. Plain and simple.

As for how the Wings have been playing, I see a definite change in confidence depending on who is in net. The team plays better in front of Ozzie, and the reason is they are more confident in front of him. I understand that the play of the d can and does effect a goaltenders stats. However, I think what we are all seeing out of the d corp when Dom is in net is two things.

1. A d corp that isn't completely comfortable nor confident in the goaltender.

2. A d corp that is trying to do too much because of the lack of confidence and comfortability.

I've never been a Dom fan, I did agree he was the best goaltending solution coming into this season. But he isn't playing well, he has never started this slow in his career. I don't understand why he is playing instead of Ozzie when Ozzie is hot. There is a time to stand behind a guy, and a time to realize that there is something wrong other than your guy just being 'rusty' or starting slow. Something is wrong with Dom. Ozzie needs to play until Dom can fix whatever is wrong. And no, playing Dom more isn't the answer. This division is going to be too tight to afford Dom to lose more games.

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

how has our d been sucking? they gave up 16 shots last game

i dont really think they are playing bad

It's the quality of the shots that counts. We didn't have the number of breakaways that the Hawks had. You expect teams to score when they get chances like that.

[Offsides 21]

I've always said that and no one seems to get it. Dom is a lot harder for defense to play in front of. Plain and simple.

I've always said it too....we must not be meeting up in the right threads

There's other differences too. Ozzie's more of an 'offensive' goalie. He is a good puckhandler, and keeps the play going...moves the puck a lot. That plus they are trusting him on D opens them up offensively.

Edited November 18, 2007 by Offsides

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

how has our d been sucking? they gave up 16 shots last game

i dont really think they are playing bad

Every shot the Hawks got on net last night, were quality scoring chances. A good defence doesnt just allow low shots, they allow low amounts of good scoring chances. Our defence cant do that right now.

[puckloo39 5,686]

Every shot the Hawks got on net last night, were quality scoring chances. A good defence doesnt just allow low shots, they allow low amounts of good scoring chances. Our defence cant do that right now.

keep preachin', brother.

[Datsyukian Geek 2]

how has our d been sucking? they gave up 16 shots last game

i dont really think they are playing bad

I have to agree with the others. Low shot totals look nice, but hell, we could only allow six shots an entire game, but if all six shots were goals, well...the shot total doesn't really mean s***, and that's how it feels like our defence has been, every other shot is becoming a good chance and, because of that and Dom's shaky starts, every other shot is resulting in a goal.

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

It's not just Dom. When Ozzies in net he's facing quality shots alot. If we cut that down, then were a good defensive team.

[Datsyukian Geek 2]

It's not just Dom. When Ozzies in net he's facing quality shots alot. If we cut that down, then were a good defensive team.

Agreed, Ozzie is just more confident, so with him in net, it's every third or fourth shot that goes in.

Edited November 18, 2007 by Datsyukian Geek

[auxlepli 17]

Maybe Ozzie is so good because he's doing some of that Jedi stuff.

[Flip-check 6]

HAHAHA harold got pwnt bi teh sarkzm stik!!!11

I laughed. Best response ever--sorry harold, but... hee hee hee!

There's other differences too. Ozzie's more of an 'offensive' goalie. He is a good puckhandler, and keeps the play going...moves the puck a lot. That plus they are trusting him on D opens them up offensively.

Yes. I have to say...

that puckhandling ability of Ozzie -really- helps, a lot. Ask Dallas and see if they appreciate having Turco moving that puck, and they'll say the same.