Osgood in net for Phoenix; Hasek in net for Montreal

[OsGOD 3]

wth?

Yes Hasek has played like s*** so far this season but he played great last year playoffs (and a lof of years before that) so our team wants him to get going... see maybe if he still has something left in his tank. What's so difficult to understand? Don't you want everyone in Wings uniform to perform at their best?

Wth is right.... once again all in the past terms... Present terms Ozzie is kicking the s*** out of Dom in every way possible

Past is cool and all but present is so much more accurate:

I would rather see Howard performing well in the Winged Wheel at this stage of the game... Could he really do worse than our current backup?

Edited December 4, 2007 by OsGOD

[Yemack 1]

Wth is right.... once again all in the past terms... Present terms Ozzie is kicking the s*** out of Dom in every way possible

Past is cool and all but present is so much more accurate:

I would rather see Howard performing well in the Winged Wheel at this stage of the game... Could he really do worse than our current backup?

you know what? I've already stated my opinions so I won't bother saying it again.

but you are right on one front, It would be hilarious and awesome to see Howard suddenly kicking butts of both Hasek and Ozzie

[OsGOD 3]

but you are right on one front, It would be hilarious and awesome to see Howard suddenly kicking butts of both Hasek and Ozzie

Well hasek... this year.. thats a given... Ozzie... ummmm no i don't think so

[gcom007 1,465]

Whoever is playing best at the end of the season will start. Hasek will get his chance to prove himself, but I think management has made it abundantly clear that they're open to rolling with Osgood in the playoffs should the current trend continue. Barring Hasek retiring or continuing to play blatantly mediocre hockey, it's going to be a waiting game.

At this point though, Osgood play has eliminated any Hasek-bias that may've once existed. Hasek will still get a chance based on his name, but that's about it at this point. He's gotta take it from Osgood now. And only time will tell.

Tonight's a big game for him, but unfortunately, he no longer has the ability to have anything but big games at least so far as the near future is concerned.

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

Whoever is playing best at the end of the season will start. Hasek will get his chance to prove himself, but I think management has made it abundantly clear that they're open to rolling with Osgood in the playoffs should the current trend continue. Barring Hasek retiring or continuing to play blatantly mediocre hockey, it's going to be a waiting game.

At this point though, Osgood play has eliminated any Hasek-bias that may've once existed. Hasek will still get a chance based on his name, but that's about it at this point. He's gotta take it from Osgood now. And only time will tell.

Tonight's a big game for him, but unfortunately, he no longer has the ability to have anything but big games at least so far as the near future is concerned.

If only all Wings fans could realize it's this simple to figure out (despite me disagreeing in the last bit of him having anything but only "big games").

DISCLAIMER:

Osgood fans, I'm not trying to discredit how well Osgood has been playing so well so far from that post.

Hasek fans, I'm not trying to make millions of excuses for Hasek struggling. The way the team played in front of him excuse is starting to lose water real fast. He needs to play better. That being said, he's still going to get his chances based on his name as stated. Sorry to say that to some of the people in here, I like to focus on here/now a good bit, but Hasek based on his history, recent (2005-06) and not-so-recent history, will still get chances. Whether you think that's fair or not, that's entirely subjective, but it's still going to happen.

While Osgood is the clear-cut #1 RIGHT NOW, It's too early in the season to declare a permanent #1 right now FOR THE PLAYOFFS.

I just want BOTH goaltenders to do well.

[gcom007 1,465]

If only all Wings fans could realize it's this simple to figure out (despite me disagreeing in the last bit of him having anything but only "big games").

DISCLAIMER:

Osgood fans, I'm not trying to discredit how well Osgood has been playing so well so far from that post.

Hasek fans, I'm not trying to make millions of excuses for Hasek struggling. The way the team played in front of him excuse is starting to lose water real fast. He needs to play better. That being said, he's still going to get his chances based on his name as stated. Sorry to say that to some of the people in here, I like to focus on here/now a good bit, but Hasek based on his history, recent (2005-06) and not-so-recent history, will still get chances. Whether you think that's fair or not, that's entirely subjective, but it's still going to happen.

While Osgood is the clear-cut #1 RIGHT NOW, It's too early in the season to declare a permanent #1 right now FOR THE PLAYOFFS.

I just want BOTH goaltenders to do well.

I meant that last part as in if he continues to play poorly through December, I don't think management is going to be giving him anything but a backup role to finish out the regular season. Points are too valuable nowadays to waste if Hasek can't even hint at the possibility of him getting back together. They might not name Osgood the starter until game time, but it'll be a situation like the one going on now. Osgood 4-5 games, Hasek 1 and so on and so forth.

And I'm not saying that it'll absolutely be like that, I'm just saying, I think that's a reality that Hasek faces so he doesn't really have the ability to take any game lightly.

[Flip-check 6]

you know what? I've already stated my opinions so I won't bother saying it again.

The Hasek bashing has gotten stale. Luckily the guy will probably start turning it around if he doesn't manage to fork over tonight's game.

Seriously, the people on this site who instantly overreact, put down this team, and who excessively feel the need to bash any of our players... I would not want to know in real life. I could care less about hockey for the record.

It's what it shows about their character that turns me off.

[Mickeyisms Rule! 0]

Hasek looked good and solid tonight. Didn't face many shots, but he got the job done.

I'm not saying that he is back on track, but he has definitely found his way out of the woods and can see the path.

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

The Hasek bashing has gotten stale. Luckily the guy will probably start turning it around if he doesn't manage to fork over tonight's game.

Seriously, the people on this site who instantly overreact, put down this team, and who excessively feel the need to bash any of our players... I would not want to know in real life. I could care less about hockey for the record.

It's what it shows about their character that turns me off.

I perfectly understand being frustrated with players if somebody had a bad game etc. etc., and even the ripping on players while it's retarded, sometimes it's justified though. I hate it, but can usually deal with it.

Unforutnately I think there's a difference sometimes between just ripping on players and wanting to see people do bad just because you have a vendetta against a player. Let it go. That's what absolutely gets on my last nerves and wants me to just knee people in the nuts. And unfortunately this attitude has been fairly common now and in the past with both the Wings goaltenders for some people.

And it's pretty sad and pathetic if you ask me. I don't care who you are or what team you play for or what kind of idiotic things you might have done in the game (and we can all name quite a few players/instances which I'd rather not get into), you don't go around intentionally wishing bad things to happen to players, I don't care if it's Chris Osgood or Dominik Hasek or Chris Pronger or Jordan Tootoo or Claude Lemieux (yes even him). Sorry, I'm of the mindset that most people are good-natured and but sometimes make idiotic mistakes or might play bad, but in the end they are still good people.

But I am digressing so I'll conclude...

Edited December 5, 2007 by SouthernWingsFan

[Mudvayneowns91 0]

I don't see why there needs to be Hasek bashing after a pretty solid game tonight. Boo the guy when he does bad, but why talk bad about him after a solid perfomance.

[OsGOD 3]

Who was bashing hasek after the win? I am confused

[Mudvayneowns91 0]

Who was bashing hasek after the win? I am confused

I think it was a few posts ago, but I missed the fact that it was before the game. Sorry for the mix up

[OsGOD 3]

I think it was a few posts ago, but I missed the fact that it was before the game. Sorry for the mix up

Coolio... yep that was all pregrame... he played pretty well tonight.

[The Noodle 39 14]

Yay! Wings won and Dom looked solid!! Hope he keeps it up and his slump is behind him now! Go wings! Go Dom!!

[auxlepli 17]

Well it looks like Babcock made the right choice.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

Anyone notice that the Hasek people like to live in the past...

Anyone notice that both camps are plenty guilty of living in the past?

Just because Ozzie is having a great season, if he does happen to slow down the Ozzie loyalists will be pointing back to this start as well as the 98 campaign rather than the present. Just like Hasek loyalists are doing right now.

Again, this is coming from a guy that feels Ozzie should be starting the majority of the games right now, but once again, I defer to the passage in my signature.

[OsGOD 3]

Anyone notice that both camps are plenty guilty of living in the past?

Just because Ozzie is having a great season, if he does happen to slow down the Ozzie loyalists will be pointing back to this start as well as the 98 campaign rather than the present. Just like Hasek loyalists are doing right now.

Again, this is coming from a guy that feels Ozzie should be starting the majority of the games right now, but once again, I defer to the passage in my signature.

In all fairness... us Ozzie loyalists are trying to break away from the 1998 playoffs and the Long puck he let in that always seem to be brought up time and time again... We usually finish the Long goal claim by stating ShutOut the very next game and then Stanley Cup at the end of it.... at least that is where i am coming from.

I don't care about the past... you play the goalie who is on the hot streak while limiting ice time of the other until he can make the most of those few starts... 1 good start... yay... its a start... now back to the hot goalie for a bit then another test start for the other one a little bit down the road.

hehe... i can still defer to my avatar even after the good game last night

Edited December 5, 2007 by OsGOD

[dallas27 7]

Anyone notice that both camps are plenty guilty of living in the past?

Just because Ozzie is having a great season, if he does happen to slow down the Ozzie loyalists will be pointing back to this start as well as the 98 campaign rather than the present. Just like Hasek loyalists are doing right now.

Again, this is coming from a guy that feels Ozzie should be starting the majority of the games right now, but once again, I defer to the passage in my signature.

That's true. Sorta feel that I heard "Hasek is a notorious slow starter" to fill me for the next year. Not so much on Ozzie. And I feel it's two separate accounts of living in the past.

On one hand you have people saying that Hasek always starts off slow to back up his HORRENDOUS play.

On the other you have people questioning if Ozzie can win a cup so people say that he won a cup in 98 so he can do it again to back up his STELLAR play.

Two different things imo. I would rather much hear the latter.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

In all fairness... us Ozzie loyalists are trying to break away from the 1998 playoffs and the Long puck he let in that always seem to be brought up time and time again... We usually finish the Long goal claim by stating ShutOut the very next game and then Stanley Cup at the end of it.... at least that is where i am coming from.

I don't care about the past... you play the goalie who is on the hot streak while limiting ice time of the other until he can make the most of those few starts... 1 good start... yay... its a start... now back to the hot goalie for a bit then another test start for the other one a little bit down the road.

hehe... i can still defer to my avatar even after the good game last night

Of course you can still feel that Ozzie should be the starting goalie right now, and I couldn't agree more with the bolded statement.

The point of my post is that a good amount of loyalists of either goalie follow common trends on LGW. When goalie "A" is playing great, they say things like "See, I told he's great" or "He's the better goalie based on his play right now", while the loyalists of goalie "B" (who isn't doing so great at the time) refer to the past and what they've accomplished. I sure as hell hope Ozzie doesn't slow down, but God forbid he does, and Hasek gets on a hot streak and all we'll hear about on this site is how great Ozzie was in the beginning of the season, his past accomplishments and how unfair Babs is being about the goaltending situation.

My signature picture says it all.

Edited December 5, 2007 by Never Forget Mac #25

[Guest jaytan]

Last night was the first chance I've had to watch Hasek in quite a while, and while he didn't look terrible or stupid out there this time, he also didn't have many opportunities to. The Wings play such great defense that it should be difficult to put up the crap numbers he's had this season.

In fact, with the Wings' playing style, Ozzie is the best fit defensively and offensively over Hasek even when they're both playing well. Hasek makes foolish decisions that lead to easy chances and I'm afraid every time his stick touches the puck.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

That's true. Sorta feel that I heard "Hasek is a notorious slow starter" to fill me for the next year. Not so much on Ozzie. And I feel it's two separate accounts of living in the past.

On one hand you have people saying that Hasek always starts off slow to back up his HORRENDOUS play.

Many have stated the Hasek is a slow starter, and during some seasonss he has been notorious for that. However, I don't care what the excuse is........he needs to play better if he wants to be the starting goalie on this team seeing as that right now Ozzie is playing like he not only deserves it more than Hasek, but anyone else in the league. You won't get any argument from me regarding Hasek's play so far this season.

On one hand you have people saying that Hasek always starts off slow to back up his HORRENDOUS play.

On the other you have people questioning if Ozzie can win a cup so people say that he won a cup in 98 so he can do it again to back up his STELLAR play.

Two different things imo. I would rather much hear the latter.

You may be taking this inquiry out of context though. Of course Ozzie *can* win a cup. He has done it already in his career. What people are questioning is whether or not he can do it now? My response to that doesn't have anything to do with what he's done in the past, nor does it hold any bearing on current play. It's really stupid to me that people can question whether Ozzie has what it takes to win a cup now, and not Hasek. They both have won a Cup (both with the Red Wings even), yet people find ridiculous arguments for why one might or might not be able to win it all this year. It's ludicrous because no matter what argument people come up with, its still unproven and will only receive past accomplishments as responses.

Long story short, I'm with those that feel *as long as Ozzie can keep up his play*, he should not only be given the majority of starts, but should be the starting goaltender come playoff time.. However, just like the Oz loyalists who complained about PT the last two seasons have said, Hasek still needs to get his nods in the event that Oz doesn't keep up the stellar play he's shown all season.

It's as simple as that.

[gcom007 1,465]

Last night was the first chance I've had to watch Hasek in quite a while, and while he didn't look terrible or stupid out there this time, he also didn't have many opportunities to. The Wings play such great defense that it should be difficult to put up the crap numbers he's had this season.

In fact, with the Wings' playing style, Ozzie is the best fit defensively and offensively over Hasek even when they're both playing well. Hasek makes foolish decisions that lead to easy chances and I'm afraid every time his stick touches the puck.

Even in '02 before I really had a dislike for the guy I always questioned this. Sure, he's great and all, but goaltending has never been that big of an issue and that said, how much better could we be with a goalie who knows how to move the puck and keep the play going given our system? That's where Osgood's got a notable edge if you ask me even if they're both stopping the puck with the same consistency.

What's also notable about Osgood is his play since the lockout. It's been nothing short of stellar sans when he was shaking off the rust from injuries. What's his record now since returning? 43-10-12? I think...that doesn't happen by accident. People are surprised by it b/c he's gotten the chance to play consistently this year, but I was calling it like this a few years ago when we made the mistake of going into the playoffs with Manny. I emphatically stated that Osgood was clearly outplaying Manny and playing great at that once he got healthy. Even last year, I thought he was playing as well if not better than Hasek as the season winded down. This isn't news to me. I'm not shocked. He's always been solid and he's improved his game immensely the last few years by reworking his style. Again, this isn't an accident or a fluke. 43-10-12.