12/20 GDT: Blues 3, Red Wings 2

[Grittzkey 1]

I blame hasek for our lose.. stupid bench warmer.

[Packer487 3]

On the contrary:

As much as people don't want to admit it, Hasek isn't anymore the clearcut starter on this team

But this is turning inot yet another goalie discussion, so I'll leave it at this.

I guess. Babcock has been pretty clear about what the plan is though....

To me, it doesn't make sense TO play either goalie night after night. Like I said, neither of them is Brett Favre in terms of durability. Hasek appears to have played his way out of the slump and Osgood has been pretty darn good for the most part.

It's pretty hard to argue with the results thusfar.

[Guest Jeremy88]

Why do we only play like crap against division opponents?

[Aussie_Wing 354]

Why do we only play like crap against division opponents?

And why do the end of GDT's always turn in goalie wars?

[edicius 3,269]

Bad reffing, huh? I agree. Cleary riding Jackman at the end and they BOTH go. Interesting...

Ahh, so it was okay for Jackman to punch Cleary in the face (with his gloves on) multiple times.

Learn something new everyday...

[2probert4 8]

Wow...did they just compare Boyes to Zata saying that Boyes is one of the "most dynamic scorers in the league"...?

Boyes has 28 points on the season. Zata has 49.

Wow.

(Obviously, I have the STL feed... )

They also said that the Blues won the season series last season. These guys are tools, ranking up there with those 2 old drunks the Predators use.

[gcom007 1,465]

Sitting Osgood wasn't the issue and he hasn't cooled off. He still played a solid game. None of the goals scored against him were soft at all and if they called back the one goal like it should've been, it's 2 GA on 24 shots and everyone who can't get past stats thinks he's the best ever again. I mean, stats are a big part of it, more than some admit here, but not the whole. I'm just saying, I don't think there's anything to worry about with Osgood, you can't blame him for the loss and I definitely don't think it had jack squat to do with him sitting 2 games in a row. He sat 3 in a row and came back and played one of his best games of the season last week.

[edicius 3,269]

They also said that the Blues won the season series last season. These guys are tools, ranking up there with those 2 old drunks the Predators use.

One of them used to do play-by-play for the Avs, if that tells you anything.

[2probert4 8]

Did you actually watch the game?

or are you basing it on the stats you read in the box score?

What makes people think Malone would excel here?

[gcom007 1,465]

Well, the other goalie is 5-0-1 in his last six starts and is giving up like 1.75 per game, so it's hard to argue with it.

As much as people don't want to admit it, Osgood is still the backup on this team. He's playing great hockey, but Dom is getting first crack at the playoffs, and so it makes sense to give him every opportunity to play himself out of his slump. And it appears he's doing just that.

And it's not like either goalie is the model of perfect health, so maybe it makes more sense NOT to play one of them night after night....

The first 3 of those games barely qualify as games though. He didn't even have to be mediocre to put up great numbers in those games. Again, stats don't tell the whole story. I ain't knocking either, just saying, I don't think Hasek has played any better than average at all this season. You see that in looking at the goals he gives up, how he plays against what teams, the intensity of the games, etc. You don't see that just looking at stats, but coincidentally, the stats tend to line up with the statement. He's struggled to stay above a .900 sv% in most of the games he's played even since he's "returned." He's getting wins and playing descent, but look at the team in front of him and the teams he's facing and how colossally shut down some of those teams have been before you put too much stock in your first statement.

As for Dom playing, I don't really argue with that. I've been a staunch supporter of the alternating rotation with 2 in a row for each goalie here and there. I'm all for giving Dom every opportunity to prove himself. For the sake of discussion though, it'd be nice if people looked at the situation objectively though. Like someone else said, the bar's been set so low for him that "average" and "descent" seem to translate to "great" and "Dominator." I'm sorry, but there's just no way you can reasonably say that yet at all and I honestly don't think you'll be able to ever again either. I hope I'm wrong because he can be the best, but I don't think the less than stellar play is a fluke or a slump unfortunately...and age is real.

What makes people think Malone would excel here?

The hype train.

[hillbillywingsfan 794]

The league finally cracked down. Holmstrom is the worst.

Honestly, of all people Babcock is complaining about a player in the crease when he's got the crease master #96 giving goalies hell 24/7? Not buying it.

the league calling ghost calls on him isn't craking down. its calling them because they are tired of ***** teams like the blues and crazy manny crying that there is someone blockin my view.

when are you blues fans going to change? your record could be 5-20-3 and you would still think you were the best team in the league.

I understand your frustration with hommer. He's been making ******* like you cry for years.

[puckloo39 5,686]

Absolutely hilarious. I've said before. kiddingly, that some of you guys would blame Hasek for a loss when he wasn't even playing... and I was right. I could just as easily say that if Babcock had been smart enough to play Hasek, we would have won, given that Dom's won his last two in a row. Play the hot goalie, you know!! Speculation is a fine thing.

Here's the LGW Fact 'o the Day: If Hasek had played anidentical game last night, with 3 goals on 24 shots, the fans who only support Ozzie would have ripped Dom's head off, not made excuses. No one is getting on Ozzie for this loss, so there's no need to bash Hasek or blame him because he didn't play.

Raise your hand if you're not here - talk about not being able to win for losing.

They lost, what the hell. Jackman is a tool on the order of Pronger. OK, not quite there, but he may have learned some tricks from the goon.

OK, we lost, what the hell. Next!!

[gcom007 1,465]

Here's the LGW Fact 'o the Day: If Hasek had played anidentical game last night, with 3 goals on 24 shots, the fans who only support Ozzie would have ripped Dom's head off, not made excuses. No one is getting on Ozzie for this loss, so there's no need to bash Hasek or blame him because he didn't play.

No, I would've said the same things I said about Osgood.

edit: but I bet if I said Hasek looked frazzled you would've said I was just hating!

Edited December 21, 2007 by gcom007

[puckloo39 5,686]

No, I would've said the same things I said about Osgood.

I wasn't talking about you, 007. But some posters recognize themselves, well... they should think about this factoid and acknowledge it.

[gcom007 1,465]

I wasn't talking about you, 007. But some posters recognize themselves, well... they should think about this factoid and acknowledge it.

I think they realize how ridiculous they are. I mean, it seems pretty obvious to me when I and others just make stupid comments to raise some feathers. It happens a lot with the goalies because it's an easy target. Posts and reality are two different things and (at least I hope...) that many of the people from both sides of the goalie camp are just, well, flamboyant about it on the boards...

and my name is Elliot, but it's cool to be called 007...just what I've always wanted.....

Edited December 21, 2007 by gcom007

[puckloo39 5,686]

edit: but I bet if I said Hasek looked frazzled you would've said I was just hating!

No, I would have said we need some objectivity here, instead of assuming Hasek would have played worse than Ozzie did (that's been posted... don't deny it!!). Who the heck knows if Dom would or wouldn't have done better?

I will bet you that if Dom had played and gotten a shut out, even, someone would have posted that it was easy and he didn't have to work for it, or something along those lines. There's no need to apologize for Ozzie's performance, or to defend him. I don't see anyone bashing him. I do see posts blaming Babcock and implying that it would have been worse with Dom.

Um... yay, Red Wings!!! Support them all, including both goalies!!! Yay!!!

I think they realize how ridiculous they are. I mean, it seems pretty obvious to me when I and others just make stupid comments to raise some feathers. It happens a lot with the goalies because it's an easy target. Posts and reality are two different things and (at least I hope...) that many of the people from both sides of the goalie camp are just, well, flamboyant about it on the boards...

and my name is Elliot, but it's cool to be called 007...just what I've always wanted.....

right you are, Eliot. I love that name, btw, but you're 007 to me...

the league calling ghost calls on him isn't craking down. its calling them because they are tired of ***** teams like the blues and crazy manny crying that there is someone blockin my view.

when are you blues fans going to change? your record could be 5-20-3 and you would still think you were the best team in the league.

I understand your frustration with hommer. He's been making ******* like you cry for years.

Hi, T! Are you working while playing in the forums? I'm telling! I am off for the rest of the year... hooray!!!

Is Homer OK? I haven't checked all my various addictive Wings media outlets this morning...

[gcom007 1,465]

No, I would have said we need some objectivity here, instead of assuming Hasek would have played worse than Ozzie did (that's been posted... don't deny it!!). Who the heck knows if Dom would or wouldn't have done better?

I will bet you that if Dom had played and gotten a shut out, even, someone would have posted that it was easy and he didn't have to work for it, or something along those lines. There's no need to apologize for Ozzie's performance, or to defend him. I don't see anyone bashing him. I do see posts blaming Babcock and implying that it would have been worse with Dom.

Um... yay, Red Wings!!! Support them all, including both goalies!!! Yay!!!

right you are, Eliot. I love that name, btw, but you're 007 to me...

I did say that I think Hasek would've played worse and I do believe it to some extent, but I never would've said it if an equally absurd statement hadn't been said first. Hasek has to take one for the team on that one. That's one of those "balancing act" statements used only to, you guessed it, "raise feathers." Like I said, there's an element of truth to it in my mind, but not a truth I would contemplate much let alone post if something stupid wasn't said to start.

[lfd250 1]

You guys are funny blaming a goalie that wasn't even in the game and the one that was in the game gave up 2 Power Play goals on tip ins. Which neither goalie has a chance on EVER! The funny thing is no one is blaming (if we have to) the man who's fault it is for the 2 PP goals, Lilja! First penalty was from Lilja making a stupid pass up the middle causeing Kronwall to take the penalty. The second penalty was him in the box for taking a stupid interferance penatly on a pinch in when the guy didn't have the puck. So stop worring about the goalies, neither on could have stopped the goals tonight.

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

Why do we only play like crap against division opponents?

I don't know.

West coast trips used to be kryptonite for the Wings.

Now it seems to be our division, and back to back games.

[puckloo39 5,686]

I did say that I think Hasek would've played worse and I do believe it to some extent, but I never would've said it if an equally absurd statement hadn't been said first. Hasek has to take one for the team on that one. That's one of those "balancing act" statements used only to, you guessed it, "raise feathers." Like I said, there's an element of truth to it in my mind, but not a truth I would contemplate much let alone post if something stupid wasn't said to start.

I am sure you're not alone in your thoughts, 007. Hasek has taken several losses "for the team" this season. That's the point. He knows when he's let in a bad goal, and so does Ozzie. When the team doesn't play well, it's not always the goalie's fault when they lose.

I maintain that Dom hasn't been the sole reason for any of the losses this season... no more than Ozzie's been the sole reason they've won any of their games.

Truth can be very subjective in this game of ours. It's easiest to blame the goalies. I seriously don't know what motivates any of them to want that job. I guess when things are good, the high is worth all the bashing when it's not?

You guys are funny blaming a goalie that wasn't even in the game and the one that was in the game gave up 2 Power Play goals on tip ins. Which neither goalie has a chance on EVER! The funny thing is no one is blaming (if we have to) the man who's fault it is for the 2 PP goals, Lilja! First penalty was from Lilja making a stupid pass up the middle causeing Kronwall to take the penalty. The second penalty was him in the box for taking a stupid interferance penatly on a pinch in when the guy didn't have the puck. So stop worring about the goalies, neither on could have stopped the goals tonight.

I've been fast-forwarding through the game this morning, and I want to like Lilja. I really, really do. He makes it difficult sometimes.

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

the league calling ghost calls on him isn't craking down. its calling them because they are tired of ***** teams like the blues and crazy manny crying that there is someone blockin my view.

when are you blues fans going to change? your record could be 5-20-3 and you would still think you were the best team in the league.

I understand your frustration with hommer. He's been making ******* like you cry for years.

Yeah, the inconsistency with how they call interference on Homer versus the rest of the league drives me nuts. I don't usually complain about refs because the bad calls tend to even out. But it's gotten ridiculous.

That Blues player was a couple feet into the crease on the game winning goal. that's not interference anymore??

Imagine how many more goals Homer would have if he were allowed to do that (and hadn't had several goals called back and given penalties instead).

Edited December 21, 2007 by haroldsnepsts

[Superman54 91]

I think my watch must be broken. Is it still 2001?

Oh wait.

Stats don't tell the whole story. I'm not saying he played amazing, but he kept us in the game with some big saves early and the whole way through for that matter and he got some bunk plays. You can't really fault him tonight. There's a reason why everyone was giving him plenty of praise. My only critique was how frazzled he got after that 3rd goal. Granted, it was a bulls*** call, I don't like seeing him lose composure like that seeing as he's usually so steady. But hey, if you want to trade him, that's cool. Have fun with Hasek. He could've played his best game of the year and if it was at all similar to his previous games thus far, they probably would've had 5-6 goals against us. That's why there's no way in hell they're getting rid of Osgood and why he'll probably be re-signed to a multi-year deal as the starter before the regular season ends.

I thought he played amazing. As you said stats dont determine if the goalie played good or not. In the first period Ozzie pulled some outstanding saves and 2 of the 3 goals Ozzie had no chance. Ozzie was the best Wings tonight no question.

[blues_demitra38 11]

when are you blues fans going to change? your record could be 5-20-3 and you would still think you were the best team in the league.

What? The Wings are clearly the better team and I gave them their due tonight. They hung until the end without playing to capacity while the Blues excelled at every facet.

I understand your frustration with hommer. He's been making ******* like you cry for years.

Sort of like Backes did last night...Whatever goes around comes around and Detroit got theirs last night.

Side note, I like how Cleary sat and waited until Jackman joined his team to get out of the penalty box and run to the safety of his teammates. It was very obvious that the Wings possess little to no toughness. I felt bad for Datsyuk having to fend for himself time after time. A player like that should never have to get into it, especially with a guy like Jackman (although he was only one of many Blues to stick it to him last night).

If I were Ken Holland, I'd hand Phoenix a blank sheet of paper and ask them to name their price for Shane Doan.

[BlueMonk 102]

Pretty cool that the Wings are under .500 against their division but 17 points up on the 2nd place team.

[gcom007 1,465]

Except Holmstrom doesn't actually interfere with anyone.