Trade Proposal

[Guest Canadian Wings]

To Detroit: Michael Ryder

To Montreal: Mikael Samuelsson + 3rd round pick

That might even be to much at this point as Ryder is complete garbage this year and Samuelsson is signed cheap for next and Ryder is an impending FA.

Edited February 5, 2008 by Canadian Wings

[Kp-Wings 3]

It's very doubtful that two teams in the playoff hunt will trade with one another. Yes, I know the Habs play in the East, but more often than not, the players you see being moved are from non-playoff teams.

I would take Ryder for Samuelsson. As a back-to-back 30 goal scorer, on non-playoff teams no less (something Samuelsson has never achieved), he has the potential to be a great hockey player. He's a right handed shot as well, which would negate Samuelsson's presence on the team (about the only thing he does bring, really). Plus, it's a good thing that Ryder is a UFA, because if he doesn't work out, the Wings can just send him off on his own way, and not be stuck with a big contract.

I don't really see the trade happening, to be honest, but you never know...

Edited February 5, 2008 by Kp-Wings

[Guest Canadian Wings]

It's very doubtful that two teams in the playoff hunt will trade with one another. Yes, I know the Habs play in the East, but more often than not, the players you see being moved are from non-playoff teams.

I would take Ryder for Samuelsson. As a back-to-back 30 goal scorer, on non-playoff teams no less (something Samuelsson has never achieved), he has the potential to be a great hockey player. He's a right handed shot as well, which would negate Samuelsson's presence on the team (about the only thing he does bring, really). Plus, it's a good thing that Ryder is a UFA, because if he doesn't work out, the Wings can just send him off on his own way, and not be stuck with a big contract.

I don't really see the trade happening, to be honest, but you never know...

I don't either but hey, at least it's realistic. Montreal has wanted to move Ryder for a while now, he's been a healthy scratch for a few games even recently. I think Ryder just needs a fresh start and we'd get the better of the deal right now. Montreal is also in love with Europeans.

If we didn't re-sign him at the end of the year it would mean more room to sign Cleary. Either way Ryder would be a bargain next year as he certainly won't be commanding alot after his display so far this year.

[betterREDthandead 58]

The point of a contending team making a trade at the deadline is to gain a short-term improvement - why would you want to trade for someone whose year is already wasted?

[Guest Canadian Wings]

The point of a contending team making a trade at the deadline is to gain a short-term improvement - why would you want to trade for someone whose year is already wasted?

Obviously it wouldn't be the only trade Holland would make. I forgot Calder never got traded for Williams in that 3-way deal last year

[Kp-Wings 3]

The point of a contending team making a trade at the deadline is to gain a short-term improvement - why would you want to trade for someone whose year is already wasted?

Didn't stop Holland from getting Kyle Calder.

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

I'd do that. It's been rumored for years that the Wings are interested in Ryder, plus it takes Sammys 1.2 off the books, and even if Ryder works out, because of the year he's having, he wouldnt command more then 1 million, of course bonuses could be incorporated. Plus, nothing like 2 newfies on my favorite team

[Grittzkey 1]

No.

I'd much rather have our Draft Pick.

[Guest Crymson]

It's very doubtful that two teams in the playoff hunt will trade with one another. Yes, I know the Habs play in the East, but more often than not, the players you see being moved are from non-playoff teams.

I would take Ryder for Samuelsson. As a back-to-back 30 goal scorer, on non-playoff teams no less (something Samuelsson has never achieved), he has the potential to be a great hockey player. He's a right handed shot as well, which would negate Samuelsson's presence on the team (about the only thing he does bring, really). Plus, it's a good thing that Ryder is a UFA, because if he doesn't work out, the Wings can just send him off on his own way, and not be stuck with a big contract.

I don't really see the trade happening, to be honest, but you never know...

Ryder is LAZY. Samuelsson may be careless at times, but he works hard. That's important on this team. Ryder's laziness would be a major negative.

[kylee 727]

i just....

wow i think sammy has such great potential, to be a consistant 20 goal scorer really.

but his selfishness with the puck just kills him, his wrist shots directly on the crest of the goalie honestly 75% of the time (hey at least he's accruate) and his tedious head fakes trying to get around the players standing up the blue line.

SAMMY :

PASS THE PUCK!!

[Guest Crymson]

i just....

wow i think sammy has such great potential, to be a consistant 20 goal scorer really.

but his selfishness with the puck just kills him, his wrist shots directly on the crest of the goalie honestly 75% of the time (hey at least he's accruate) and his tedious head fakes trying to get around the players standing up the blue line.

SAMMY :

PASS THE PUCK!!

He's pretty darned good for a player who costs $1.2m. Need I remind you that he was fifth in playoff scoring for us last season, behind only Lidstrom, Cleary, Zetterberg and Datsyuk?

[SweWings 45]

There was a specific reason for the Calder trade - Williams wasn't playing well and was signed for at least the next season (don't really remember how long). I'm sorry but Sammy isn't that much of a liability and while picking up Ryder and reverting him back to the scoring craze he's had before is tempting, it's not really worth the risk. And like Grittzkey said, I'd rather keep that pick too...

[ben_usmc 253]

No.

I'd much rather have our Draft Pick.

agreed, Grittzkey I've been agreeing with you a lot as of late what gives? But I really think Sammy is quite undervalued, don't get me wrong I don't think he is amazing nor would I be upset if he left. He is cheap and does a pretty good job for his price tag, the problem is without Lang or Williams we now have to find new fowards to not just dislike but to crucify ala Drake and Sammy sometimes Kopecky. He was told to shoot more, I don't agree with that but all he is doing is what Babcock told him to do, also when he shoots it directly at the goalie sometimes he could be setting up for a stopage of play. The biggest things I dislike about Sammy though is that he should pass more; but the coach knows more then me, I also wish he wasn't such a ***** and used his size, I think he is at least starting to TRY to. Hell he was in a fight this season; he looked scared and probably s*** his pants during it but at least he did it. All around though I would take a cheap player who SOMETIMES can pitch in on the 2nd line and will work hard over a player who is accused of being lazy and is benched on occasion.

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

Ryder is LAZY. Samuelsson may be careless at times, but he works hard. That's important on this team. Ryder's laziness would be a major negative.

So he's already lazy and he sucks, and he's not even on the team yet?

i just....

wow i think sammy has such great potential, to be a consistant 20 goal scorer really.

but his selfishness with the puck just kills him, his wrist shots directly on the crest of the goalie honestly 75% of the time (hey at least he's accruate) and his tedious head fakes trying to get around the players standing up the blue line.

SAMMY :

PASS THE PUCK!!

When will he become anything close to a consistent 20 goal scorer? He's 31 years old, he's scored more than 20 goals once in his career, and has a whopping 8 goals this season, a couple of which are empty netters. He's got fewer goals this season than Flip, Hudler, Draper, Franzen, and even Rafalski!

He's fairly responsible defensively, but he's been a disappointment with his increased ice time. And I don't see him getting better and turning into a consistent scorer. He showed promise in 2006, but now that's looking more like an aberration.

He's pretty darned good for a player who costs $1.2m. Need I remind you that he was fifth in playoff scoring for us last season, behind only Lidstrom, Cleary, Zetterberg and Datsyuk?

He's responsible defensively, and not very creatively offensively. When he's carrying the puck he either shoots it immediately, or thinks about making a move, then panics and dumps it back to the defenseman at the blueline.

Had Homer not been injured, he would've been ahead of Sammy in scoring last playoffs for sure. Samuelsson managed 3 goals, as many as Franzen and Flip. If anything it's a sign of the Wings lack of scoring depth than evidence that he's crucial to their success.

Sammy's not killing this team, but I wouldn't shed a tear if he were traded.

Edited February 6, 2008 by haroldsnepsts

[ben_usmc 253]

do you think ryder would be an upgrade though harold?

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

do you think ryder would be an upgrade though harold?

In terms of overall ability and potential, he probably he is. I don't see him enough to know why he's having such a terrible year, but he's still managed as many goals as Sammy. And he's a two-time 30 goal scorer. He's got a better chance of reaching that number again than Sammy. And I think Babs could get him to improve his defensive game.

The thing is, I don't really know why Montreal would make that trade. A 3rd round pick won't have them drooling, and what does Sammy bring that they need? Ryder is a UFA, so they can do what they please with him. I guess if they're about to lose Ryder anyway and have given up on him, they might see an advantage in having a guy like Samuelsson who is already signed through next season at a good price.

I'm guessing the Wings would have to sweeten the pot, and then it likely wouldn't be worth it. But I could be wrong. I'm certainly no expert on what exactly it ends up taking to make these deals happen.

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

thinking it through even further, if the Wings trade sammy for Ryder, because Ryder is a UFA, they could lose him next season a la Bertuzzi. Then they have no Sammy or Ryder in the lineup and need to pick up another winger like them in a hurry, which would be expensive.

I may be talking in circles, but I think I just convinced myself it's not worth the trade.

[Lou_Siffer 1]

Oh....cool.... Samuelsson for Ryder. Here I was afraid this was going to be one those proposals we've beaten to death for the past 2 months.

[2probert4 8]

To Detroit: Michael Ryder

To Montreal: Mikael Samuelsson + 3rd round pick

That might even be to much at this point as Ryder is complete garbage this year and Samuelsson is signed cheap for next and Ryder is an impending FA.

I doubt if that would even go through on XBOX.

[Guest Canadian Wings]

I doubt if that would even go through on XBOX.

why wouldn't it? and i ask that seriously.

[2probert4 8]

why wouldn't it? and i ask that seriously.

Well......maybe on XBOX, cause I traded Lilja and some made-up minor leaguer for Jack Johnson

Seriously, the Habs are going to make some moves and Ryder may be sent packing. I'm sure they would want a prospect and draft pick, not sure if they would want Sammy or not. Filppula im sure many teams will want if the Wings come calling. I did hear somewhere that Holland has asked about Brad Stuart. BTW, Gainey was given permission to speak to Hossa's agent earlier today.

Edited February 6, 2008 by 2probert4

[Guest Crymson]

The Habs would ship Ryder our way if we sent them Filppula...Otherwise I dunno if they'd want Sammy, & a 3rd rounder

Me thinks Ryder will be on the block, & the highest bidder will get his services...Gotta remember there's always a GM out there willing to pay alot more than Holland.

Do you really think that trading an extremely-promising two-way center for a lazy, one-way player having a terrible season is a good idea?

[Mudvayneowns91 0]

If it cost us Sammy, & a 3rd rounder - I'd take that deal for Ryder.

EDIT - a 2nd line of Cleary-Filppula-Ryder would be nice

Could possibly solve that secondary scoring that some of the people thing we're lacking.

[Kp-Wings 3]

Ryder is LAZY. Samuelsson may be careless at times, but he works hard. That's important on this team. Ryder's laziness would be a major negative.

Ryder is a more capable scorer than Samuelsson. In his rookie season, he scored more goals than Samuelsson's scored in his first 4 years in the NHL. The Wings need more scoring depth, and Ryder will provide that, something Samuelsson does not.

Plus, how can you call Samuelsson hard working? No, he's not Robert Lang or anything, but he's not the 2nd coming of Dan Cleary either. His so-so defensive play should not be any reason the Wings should keep him, because he's terrible in all other aspects.

[Mudvayneowns91 0]

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Edited February 6, 2008 by Mudvayneowns91