2/15 GDT: Blue Jackets 5, Red Wings 1

[datsyukismyfriend 4]

i will say this, to be in the midst of a five game losing streak, and to have gotten off of a three game losing streak not long ago and to still have a record of 41-14-5 is crazy. to have a record like we have makes the crash we're witnessing all the harder to understand.

i'm gald babs didn't sugar coat things in his post game comments. when he said that this is unacceptable it made me feel better. they're effort is absolutely unacceptable.

[Aussie_Wing 354]

Someone just brought up a trade proposal.....Kronner for Feds. Reason being that Kronner gets hurt if someone sneezes on him. Thoughts? I say no way.

Great trade, pull the trigger.

People need to realise Kronwall’s injuries are not bad luck, he is INJURY PRONE. Nothing will change; he’ll always be this way. Some sportspeople are like this, and he’s definitely one of them. He’ll be retired by the time he’s 32 the way he’s going, and what tends to happen to people who suffer a lot of injuries is that they reach their peak early and the decline sets in a lot quicker than to others.

[Guest LivingtheDream]

I think the Wings are just worn out. I know every team has to play all season, but the intensity the Wings have shown all season is not sustainable. If this is true, when the heck can they get a break?

[Bryguy 103]

Great trade, pull the trigger.

People need to realise Kronwall’s injuries are not bad luck, he is INJURY PRONE. Nothing will change; he’ll always be this way. Some sportspeople are like this, and he’s definitely one of them. He’ll be retired by the time he’s 32 the way he’s going, and what tends to happen to people who suffer a lot of injuries is that they reach their peak early and the decline sets in a lot quicker than to others.

Yeah lets trade our 3rd best dman offensively and 2nd best defensively for federov. Kronner has 2 points less then filpulla, while filp has played 12 more games and hes a dman. Zetterbergs injury prone as well, lets trade him off.

Kronwall has made good strides this year.

[NHLrules? 32]

This team is not tired, it is one dimensional.

When people start to drag, hang and claw all over us, we lose.

This is the time of year where the rule book starts to change and usually we start looking a little more average.

[Duck Guy 86]

It is a bad losing streak. Every team has them. Wings will be fine.

[shadow47 1]

You know what? For those couple that want to jump down my throat and tell me to knock it off, f*** off. Seriously. I'm going through more s*** right now and have every right to come on here and vent about the entire team sucking, and yet I get jumped on? All I said was that it was tiresome to see people say that Ozzie has been horrible, and yet Hasek has been the great goalie lately, even though he has still lost games just like Oz has been. Neither goalie can score from where they are standing, and when the defense decides they don't want to do anything, there's not much the goalie can do. Especially when even Lidstrom is having a bad night, then you know the entire team needs to pick it up.

Has Oz been outstanding? No. But he isn't the only reason the team has been losing lately, especially when he is a big reason why the team is so far ahead in the standings. Both goalies need to pick it up, as do the rest of the team, or this slump will get alot worse before it does better.

Buddy, you don't give up 7 goals on 20 shots over 2 games in under 40 minutes and be anything less than crap, OK? I'm pretty sure there's no one here suggesting Osgood has been "outstanding" this month. And your suggestion the Hasek's and Osgood's play has been comparable is an absolute joke, "he has still lost games just like Oz has been." Wrong. In February Hasek is 2-0-1 allowing 5 goals with a shutout. Osgood is 1-4-0 in allowing 16 goals (yes 16 GA in less than 4 total games) against and pulled twice. And you are pretending they are comparable?!

Edit: But yeah, Hasek def needs to "pick it up"...btw this is a completely unbiased post as anyone can see, this is not a case of fandom, more a case of reality.

Edited February 16, 2008 by shadow47

[Nev 1,085]

OK, this losing streak is officially starting to piss me off.

Anyone know what Lidstrom's plus/minus has been the last 5 games? Cos he seems to be on the ice for a lot of the goals we've conceded.

[Duck Guy 86]

OK, this losing streak is officially starting to piss me off.

Anyone know what Lidstrom's plus/minus has been the last 5 games? Cos he seems to be on the ice for a lot of the goals we've conceded.

in the last 5 games it was a -7 i think (-3 vs LA) (0 vs TOR) (0 vs ANA) (-3 vs NASH) and (-1 vs CBJ)

[Must Kill 0]

well 5 games stings kinda bad, and the blues fans around here are busting my balls. I just toss it in there face when playoff time comes around blues will be playing golf while the wings enjoy some playoff hockey.

[Feldmarschall 9]

Ohh okay. So last year the arguement was that the Wings were in a weak division which led to them being #1 in the NHL, and this year it's that the conference is weak? I get it!

Except not really. The things that are posted here sometimes.. my goodness.

I'm gonna buy you a sarcasm detector.

[lfd250 1]

Buddy, you don't give up 7 goals on 20 shots over 2 games in under 40 minutes and be anything less than crap, OK? I'm pretty sure there's no one here suggesting Osgood has been "outstanding" this month. And your suggestion the Hasek's and Osgood's play has been comparable is an absolute joke, "he has still lost games just like Oz has been." Wrong. In February Hasek is 2-0-1 allowing 5 goals with a shutout. Osgood is 1-4-0 in allowing 16 goals (yes 16 GA in less than 4 total games) against and pulled twice. And you are pretending they are comparable?!

Edit: But yeah, Hasek def needs to "pick it up"...btw this is a completely unbiased post as anyone can see, this is not a case of fandom, more a case of reality.

Did you watch the game last night??? Let's see a 5-4 goal, (5-3 just ended) a lilja give away-leads to a break away, and a tip from a wide open guy in front? So which one could the great floper stop? But you know what you're right he needs to step up. Of course if he had stopped half the goals we still lose 2-1. (not counting the howard goal) Where's the complants on no scoring? How come no one's bitching that we had 5 SHOTS in the first? 5 frinkn shots. 21 shots for the game. We have 35 - 40 a game. But hey lets blame the goalie.

One more thing. Just read in the paper- Wings haven't scored a 5-5 goal in three games. May be that's one of the problems.

Edited February 16, 2008 by lfd250

[lets go pavel 2]

another interesting tidbit from last night's game ... there were only 13 shots on goal by our forwards, and 7 of them came from dats/homer/flip ... hard to get secondary scoring when the other lines aren't generating shots ...

[sinbin 3]

HELLO..........has anyone seen the defense during this slump........ that's right!.... THERE ISN'T ANY!......Do not blame the goaltending!

[Wildwings44 5]

another interesting tidbit from last night's game ... there were only 13 shots on goal by our forwards, and 7 of them came from dats/homer/flip ... hard to get secondary scoring when the other lines aren't generating shots ...

Wow, didn't know that. Perhaps Huds and Flip should try and shoot when they are open.

I had the game tivo'd - watched the first period and fast forwarded the rest of the game.

I knew the game was over when it was 3-0 - we haven't scored more than 3 goals in quite some time.

Edited February 16, 2008 by Wildwings44

[auxlepli 17]

It's not all the goalies' fault during the five-game slump. Still Osgood hasn't been the same since before the All-Star Game. If I was Babcock I would start Howard Sunday. That will be another tough game. Dallas beat the Ducks, 4-2 last night. It's been a tough February for the Wings, and like I posted the other day, it won't get any easier either - Avalanche Monday then the Western Canada swing which historically has been tough on the Wings.

[Yemack 1]

Did anyone see Hudler got instant confidence boost after his shot? maybe he should position himself to become a shooter more and evolve his game towards it because while he looks like a smart player, passing game does make him pretty useless.

Overall I thought we tried to play better from last game but Columbus played for their life last night and we just didn't have answer for it.

I think that we are stuck in begining to middle of the regular season level of hockey while some others are fighting for their survival. IMO Columbus played spectaculary well. I think they played better than Ducks last night.

My real concern is our size and brute strength. Columbus really made us pay in that department last night IMO. And we really don't have a good shooter. We have too curve ball throwers and no straight shooter, no wonder why some of goalies play so well against us. That's why I want Lapointe back in Wings. It will provide us girt, strength, leadership, also throw oposition goalies off and keep him guessing.

[puckloo39 5,686]

It's not all the goalies' fault during the five-game slump. Still Osgood hasn't been the same since before the All-Star Game. If I was Babcock I would start Howard Sunday. That will be another tough game. Dallas beat the Ducks, 4-2 last night. It's been a tough February for the Wings, and like I posted the other day, it won't get any easier either - Avalanche Monday then the Western Canada swing which historically has been tough on the Wings.

I agree... Dallas is waiting and Turco is on a roll. Easy pickings as we stand at the moment.

I think Hasek, Rafalski and Kronner are better players and much more important to the team than some here would have you believe. If they are all back for the W. Canada swing, things will turn around.

[sharomyga 6]

the worst game of the season so far

[dallas27 7]

Buddy, you don't give up 7 goals on 20 shots over 2 games in under 40 minutes and be anything less than crap, OK? I'm pretty sure there's no one here suggesting Osgood has been "outstanding" this month. And your suggestion the Hasek's and Osgood's play has been comparable is an absolute joke, "he has still lost games just like Oz has been." Wrong. In February Hasek is 2-0-1 allowing 5 goals with a shutout. Osgood is 1-4-0 in allowing 16 goals (yes 16 GA in less than 4 total games) against and pulled twice. And you are pretending they are comparable?!

Edit: But yeah, Hasek def needs to "pick it up"...btw this is a completely unbiased post as anyone can see, this is not a case of fandom, more a case of reality.

You should be happy that Hasek is out right now, he would look just as bad and give up just as many goals with the team that is out on the ice right now, chief.

[puckloo39 5,686]

You should be happy that Hasek is out right now, he would look just as bad and give up just as many goals with the team that is out on the ice right now, chief.

No one in their right mind is happy that Hasek is out right now, the team is sucking pucks. As for Dom letting in that many goals on as few SOG... unless one is pyschic, there's no way to know that. No need to try and make Ozzie look better by assuming Dom would look as bad.

What is pretty likely is that Hasek would have been run out of town by now by the fans, and not given any sort of pass such as that it's the team's fault -- even though it is. Lack of D and O, and not goaltending, is at the heart of the recent skid, IMO.

Bring back Kronner, Raffi and Dom, and all will be well again. I do worry about the lack of depth on this team, but any top team missing some high-profile players would look about the same.

[GMRwings1983 8,803]

No one in their right mind is happy that Hasek is out right now, the team is sucking pucks. As for Dom letting in that many goals on as few SOG... unless one is pyschic, there's no way to know that. No need to try and make Ozzie look better by assuming Dom would look as bad.

What is pretty likely is that Hasek would have been run out of town by now by the fans, and not given any sort of pass such as that it's the team's fault -- even though it is. Lack of D and O, and not goaltending, is at the heart of the recent skid, IMO.

Bring back Kronner, Raffi and Dom, and all will be well again. I do worry about the lack of depth on this team, but any top team missing some high-profile players would look about the same.

It's all Hasek's fault we lost yesterday, puckloo. Somehow I know it is, but I just can't prove it yet.

[dallas27 7]

No one in their right mind is happy that Hasek is out right now, the team is sucking pucks. As for Dom letting in that many goals on as few SOG... unless one is pyschic, there's no way to know that. No need to try and make Ozzie look better by assuming Dom would look as bad.

And I'm sure you are assuming he would stop everything. What I am assuming isn't an assumption. NO goalie can help the Wings right now. The way they are playing defense and not scoring and just not playing period you can throw any goalie out there and they are going to look bad. How can you not be happy that Hasek is sitting on the bench right now? Osgood is getting ripped on left and right while Hasek is sitting on the bench looking like the greatest thing since sliced bread and the savior of this team all while not having to go out there and play with the sorry excuse of a team called the Wings right now. It's a win-win for the Hasek fanboys.

What is pretty likely is that Hasek would have been run out of town by now by the fans, and not given any sort of pass such as that it's the team's fault -- even though it is. Lack of D and O, and not goaltending, is at the heart of the recent skid, IMO.

Get over yourself and Hasek, I've never seen so many people come out of the woodwork just to rip on Ozzie. I said it in another thread; nobody in their right mind can blame Ozzie, or if Hasek was in net, on these loses.

Bring back Kronner, Raffi and Dom, and all will be well again. I do worry about the lack of depth on this team, but any top team missing some high-profile players would look about the same.

And Hossa and Feds. Then all will be well.

Edited February 16, 2008 by dallas27

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

Great trade, pull the trigger.

People need to realise Kronwall’s injuries are not bad luck, he is INJURY PRONE. Nothing will change; he’ll always be this way. Some sportspeople are like this, and he’s definitely one of them. He’ll be retired by the time he’s 32 the way he’s going, and what tends to happen to people who suffer a lot of injuries is that they reach their peak early and the decline sets in a lot quicker than to others.

I'm definitely concerned about Kronwall's injury history. But if the Wings trade him before the deadline, who picks up his 20+ minutes a game in our already thin defensive corps?

Everyone would get bumped up, meaning more ice time or Lilja, Chelios, Lebda, Meech...

Increased ice time for any of those guys (with the possible exception of Chelios because he's a freak of nature) is only going to make them play worse and expose their liabilities.

The only way the Wings trade him is if they've basically thrown in the towel on Kronwall and assume he's just never going to be healthy (which is becoming a more realistic assessment each season).

[puckloo39 5,686]

And I'm sure you are assuming he would stop everything. What I am assuming isn't an assumption. NO goalie can help the Wings right now.

I think Dom might have had a couple of those last night, yes. If you watched the last game he played vs the Wild, you might agree. When the team sucks, the goalie has to be the best player out there.

We still would have lost this game because the Wings are not scoring, though. One goal per game demands a shut out from the Wings goalie, and that's not all that common, unless your goalie is LeClaire...

Ozzie is not getting ripped on, that I can see, he's being excused and the team is being ripped for the losses, and for the most part, rightfully so. There is no real dispute about being pulled twice in as many games, poor team effort or not. Some of the responsibily is on the goalie, whether it's Dom or Ozzie. I am sure Ozzie feels terrible right now, and I am sorry for that.

Like it or not, it's not Dom's fault (damn him for sitting out injured, what is he thinking!?!?) that the team is not winning right now, or mine.