Wings Goaltending

[eva unit zero 271]

Are you some of you honestly oblivious to the fact that without a half decent defense and offense Ozzie can't do anything. And don't tell me that the case with other teams because compared to what we have, even on an off night, Vokoun, Toskala, Brodeur don't have much in front of them.

Ozzie is not a top notch goalie like his stats make it appear. Furthermore, Hasek is no longer an elite goalie like his stats say because he's on the Wings! He's past his prime but because of our Solid Team is good enough to take us to the cup as he provided last playoffs.

Ozzie in front of a leafs team would be pulled in the first period of EVERY GAME!!! The wings played the entire game pratically in the leafs end last Saturday but Leafs won because of Toskala, how can you argue that!

Plain and Simple.

The Wings' top four right now includes Lidstrom, Chris Chelios, Andreas Lilja, and Brett Lebda. The only Leafs have three defensemen who would be the second best healthy defenseman on the Wings right now if we traded a pick for them, and three more who could break into that top four ahead of Lebs or Lilja. With core players Rafalski, Kronwall, and Cleary out...the Wings' skaters are probably not much better-if at all-than what the Leafs have.

[puckloo39 5,686]

I'm not one to blame the goalie but it all can't be the D's fault. Are we ready to talk about the affects of his All-Star Game performance now? I know, "All-Star games don't mean anything".

Not so ridiculous now is it?

esteef

Pascal LeClaire didn't think so. He's still pissed at being snubbed... did ya notice? Should have played the goalies who were voted in by the fans, maybe?

The All Star game would have "meant" more around here if Ozzie had kicked butt. Apparently, since he didn't, it became very "meaningless," very quickly.

Personally, I've always thought it was meaningless... but that's just me. The ASG doesn't have anything to do with goaltending in Detroit, or the team D going AWOL (on both goalies) or the complete disappearance of the offense. <<That's the problem, as I see it. You can't win very often with only 1 or 2 goals for (or none), and that's all the team seems to be able to come up with. And you can't win when the team doesn't show up until the last ten minutes of regulation, either.

The team has a problem, not the goalies.

[IceMunkee 15]

I'll try not to mention Top Notch Goalie too often, but serioulsy, I'm very suprised with the lack of concern over our goaltending for the upcoming playoffs.

Forget regular season, you should all know that, make the playoffs with home ice and your in the best possible position you can be, there are no byes in the NHL.

Is no one worried that our top goalie, Hasek, is injury prone and might not be able to play the entire playoffs and given that we don't have a serious top notch goalie that can bring us the cup. You need consistent top goaltending and someone that can make a few game winning saves!

Ozzie is a backup and his days are over. Without a good performance from our offense and defense he can't win us games. He is and never will be a top notch goalie despite what many of you think. He's always had a top team in front of him outplaying the opposing team and limiting the number of good chances on him. He was shown at the all-star game that he can't compete with the big boys, not too mention he can't control rebounds.

We need to trade Ozzie at his bargain salary, while many still think that, and get someone like Toskala who the leafs are willing to deal. This would solidify our Stanley Cup Run without a doubt!!! Other Top Notch Goalies would be available for Osgood plus possible combination of prospects/picks.

Howard would be great as a backup until he's ready later down the road to take over number 1, but in 2008-2009 we cannot play with Osgood as a Starter, mark my roads.

If Hasek goes down in the playoffs, were done, even if we pickup Hossa or Sundin and another D Man.

Make it happen Kenny!!!

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! I just want to point out that you called Ozzy a back-up goalie that is not going anywhere then you said use him as trade bait to get Toskala!!! You are so easily blinded it is rediculous. First, Toskala was just signed to the Leafs to see if he could contend in a starting position. He failed. They not only want to deal him but noone is interested in him. Second, Hasek has been extremely healthy this year. Sure he has taken a couple days off for some fine tuning but so does Chris Chelios and I wouldn't scream that he is over. Hasek is probably the best "performing" goalie in the league. He is not the best but is playing the best right now. Ozzie up until the last couple weeks was just the same. I can almost assure that before the allstar break you had some Ozzy all over your chin. This is a prime example of short sightedness, flakey fans that disgust me. So quick to execute the Goalie while ignoring or just being to stupid to realize the rest of the teams fualts.

As I have said before, Ozzie gets no excuse for his poor performance from me but neither does anyone else on the team. The goaltenders job is to stop the puck wether or not the defense is up to tee. Could Ozzie have stopped all the goals on him. HELL NO! The fourth goal last night was a wicked deflect that I don't think if you cloned Roy, Belfour, Hasek, Loungo, and Brodour at the peak of their careers i don't think that was being stopped. Bottom line is Ozzy is playing like poo poo but calling for a trade for Toskala none the less is absolutely ridiculous.

I saw we spawn a demon as the Wings goalie, like in the old Sega Genesis game Mutant League Hockey.

Again I will say this until people want to knee me in the groin...

:goalie1: Osgood + :goalie2: Hasek = A Great Goaltending Tandem

First and for most awsome game referance. I love that game!!!!!!

Second. Yes sir! Hasek/Osgood! I remember a couple of weeks ago when both goalies were on their games the threads said we should platoon both throughout the playoff's!

Edited February 16, 2008 by IceMunkee

[imisssergei 0]

I've said this all season long, and I'll say it again.

The Wings won't win the Cup with the tandem of Osgood and Hasek.

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

I'll try not to mention Top Notch Goalie too often, but serioulsy, I'm very suprised with the lack of concern over our goaltending for the upcoming playoffs.

*blah blah blah*

*panic*

*bash* *whine* *moan*

If Hasek goes down in the playoffs, were done, even if we pickup Hossa or Sundin and another D Man.

Make it happen Kenny!!!

I see you decided that baiting people in various threads wasn't enough, so you got right to it and start your own goalie bashing thread.

Nice work!

And it's "mark my words" there sparky.

Edited February 16, 2008 by haroldsnepsts

[IceMunkee 15]

it's OK, we still have one of our goalies who is #1 in GAA for the league.

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edit: grammar moses

I get the feeling that you were secretly waiting for this to happen! Time to throw away your Ozzy voodoo doll!!! LOL!!

[sixer 37]

The Wings can win the cup with Hasek, the Wings will not win this year if Hasek gets injured in the playoffs and Average Ozzie goes in Net. Period.

ps. Osgood has played horrible over the past 10 games, being pulled four times and an ERA of over 4.00 and save % below 850. This isn't a one or two game thing.

The Key point everyone is missing is Osgood doesn't steal games for us. Our offense and defence do. HE IS AVERAGE.

If we play poorly, average ozzie is exposed. The difference with Vokoun, Toskala, and so forth is they steal games where the leafs play poorly. Look at last Saturday against Detroit, text book example! Most of the game was in the Leafs end, he stole the game from Detroit!

[jim3033 1]

Osgood is a great goalie but him and Legace had a tendency of letting in back brake goals in the playoffs. Hasek thrives on that kind of pressure. For a goalie in the playoffs it's all psychological. Hasek is better at saving a "wtf was that" shot than Osgood.

[lets go pavel 2]

The Wings can win the cup with Hasek, the Wings will not win this year if Hasek gets injured in the playoffs and Average Ozzie goes in Net. Period.

ps. Osgood has played horrible over the past 10 games, being pulled four times and an ERA of over 4.00 and save % below 850. This isn't a one or two game thing.

The Key point everyone is missing is Osgood doesn't steal games for us. Our offense and defence do. HE IS AVERAGE.

If we play poorly, average ozzie is exposed. The difference with Vokoun, Toskala, and so forth is they steal games where the leafs play poorly. Look at last Saturday against Detroit, text book example! Most of the game was in the Leafs end, he stole the game from Detroit!

well maybe we can trade him to the tigers ... would that make you happy?

seriously, ozzie has stolen at least as many games this year as dom, and is certainly capable of doing it again ... we have 2 solid goalies and should be happy, but i'm probably wasting my keystrokes with you, huh?

Edited February 16, 2008 by lets go pavel

[IceMunkee 15]

The Wings can win the cup with Hasek, the Wings will not win this year if Hasek gets injured in the playoffs and Average Ozzie goes in Net. Period.

ps. Osgood has played horrible over the past 10 games, being pulled four times and an ERA of over 4.00 and save % below 850. This isn't a one or two game thing.

The Key point everyone is missing is Osgood doesn't steal games for us. Our offense and defence do. HE IS AVERAGE.

If we play poorly, average ozzie is exposed. The difference with Vokoun, Toskala, and so forth is they steal games where the leafs play poorly. Look at last Saturday against Detroit, text book example! Most of the game was in the Leafs end, he stole the game from Detroit!

Your right Toskala played well against the D and he made a few huge saves that "stole" the game. Do you watch the leafs consistently I am assuming not becuase you would see that Goalies in Toronto stealing games a few and very far between.

Oh and you know Vokoun plays for Florida right.

[imisssergei 0]

The Wings can win the cup with Hasek, the Wings will not win this year if Hasek gets injured in the playoffs and Average Ozzie goes in Net. Period.

ps. Osgood has played horrible over the past 10 games, being pulled four times and an ERA of over 4.00 and save % below 850. This isn't a one or two game thing.

The Key point everyone is missing is Osgood doesn't steal games for us. Our offense and defence do. HE IS AVERAGE.

If we play poorly, average ozzie is exposed. The difference with Vokoun, Toskala, and so forth is they steal games where the leafs play poorly. Look at last Saturday against Detroit, text book example! Most of the game was in the Leafs end, he stole the game from Detroit!

Hasek hasn't stolen a game this year. He is a shell of what he once was, and he isn't even as good as he was last year.

The Wing won't win the Cup, barring multiple BIG trades, with either of those two in net.

By big trades, I mean bringing in a Hossa, a Campbell, and a depth dman. Just won't happen. The Wings aren't good enough.

[IceMunkee 15]

well maybe we can trade him to the tigers ... would that make you happy?

seriously, ozzie has stolen at least as many games this year as dom, and is certainly capable of doing it again ... we have 2 solid goalies and should be happy, but i'm probably wasting my keystrokes with you, huh?

edit - typo

LMFAO!! I just noticed. Yeah that is really bad that his earned runs average is being effected playing hockey. Man ozzie is doing so bad that he even has awful stats from other sports!!!

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

Your right Toskala played well against the D and he made a few huge saves that "stole" the game. Do you watch the leafs consistently I am assuming not becuase you would see that Goalies in Toronto stealing games a few and very far between.

Oh and you know Vokoun plays for Florida right.

I'm guessing he didn't even watch the games.

[IceMunkee 15]

Hasek hasn't stolen a game this year. He is a shell of what he once was, and he isn't even as good as he was last year.

The Wing won't win the Cup, barring multiple BIG trades, with either of those two in net.

By big trades, I mean bringing in a Hossa, a Campbell, and a depth dman. Just won't happen. The Wings aren't good enough.

WOW!!!! Your as close minded and short sighted as the other guy. How can you possibly say that Hasek has not stolen games for us. It is clear you barely watch the games. Wow. He leads the F'n league in GAA!!!

[sixer 37]

Your right Toskala played well against the D and he made a few huge saves that "stole" the game. Do you watch the leafs consistently I am assuming not becuase you would see that Goalies in Toronto stealing games a few and very far between.

Oh and you know Vokoun plays for Florida right.

Only because the damn leafs can't even score a goal on most nights! Honestly he's peppered night in and night out, you don't think that takes a toll on him. The leafs give up a ton of high quality scoring chances each game and he's there for the most part, not too mention he's dominated the Wings since he came into the league more then any other goalie.

If Toskala isn't in then Raycroft gets hammered. Toskala can't steal every game when he's getting hit with 40+ shots and the leafs aren't scoring any goals.

ps. I used Toskala, Vokoun and Brodeur in earlier post if you would read where I mentioned the teams they play for. Thanks, I know where he plays.

Edited February 16, 2008 by sixer

[dallas27 7]

Nobody in their right mind can put any blame on Osgood (or if Hasek was in net) the past 5 games.

I love how people come out of the woodwork just to rip on someone. Awesome Wings fan you are.

Ps. After you put seriously after anything, you pretty much lose all credibility you had, SERIOUSLY.

Edited February 16, 2008 by dallas27

[IceMunkee 15]

I see you decided that baiting people in various threads wasn't enough, so you got right to it and start your own goalie bashing thread.

Nice work!

And it's "mark my words" there sparky.

LOL. Nice...

[ltgator333 3]

How do you know the All-Star game broke his confidence? Certainly didn't look that way when he had a shutout recently after in Los Angeles.

A shutout against the mighty LA Kings.

Well ok, I don't care whether it was the all star game or maybe his lack of confidence in the team in front of him, but Osgood and the whole Red Wings team's confidence is broken.

As I said before they look discombobulated (again, spelling???). They get a couple wins under their belt and they'll be back. Maybe they'll heat up right before the playoffs start- that would be perfect.

[IceMunkee 15]

Only because the damn leafs can't even score a goal on most nights! Honestly he's peppered night in and night out, you don't think that takes a toll on him. The leafs give up a ton of high quality scoring chances each game and he's there for the most part, not too mention he's dominated the Wings since he came into the league more then any other goalie.

If Toskala isn't in then Raycroft gets hammered. Toskala can't steal every game when he's getting hit with 40+ shots and the leafs aren't scoring any goals.

ps. I used Toskala, Vokoun and Brodeur in earlier post if you would read where I mentioned the teams they play for. Thanks, I know where he plays.

Just making sure you know who's who while your on your whiney little rants. Dude go be a Leafs fan. If Toskala is stealing so many games then why do they want to trade him? Don't tell me it is becuase they are building cuase nobody has any intrest in him. I bet if we put Ozzie or Dom up on the block we would get a few offers.

[sixer 37]

LOL. Nice...

Wow mungee, you and hall of fame harold are quite the tandem.

I'd love to see you post all the highlights from this year when Osgood has completely stolen a game for the wings and our defence and offense were asleep. Hasn't happened, average ozzie needs a decent team in front of him otherwise lights out. He's not a Top Notch Goalie and that's why he's not being paid the big bucks. He's a bargain because he's good enough for the team we have. He's average and a backup and will not win us the cup this year if Hasek gets injured.

[lets go pavel 2]

i think maybe this guy IS toskala, and he really wants us to trade for him because the leafs are terrible ...

[sixer 37]

Just making sure you know who's who while your on your whiney little rants. Dude go be a Leafs fan. If Toskala is stealing so many games then why do they want to trade him? Don't tell me it is becuase they are building cuase nobody has any intrest in him. I bet if we put Ozzie or Dom up on the block we would get a few offers.

John Ferguson Jr. "Ferguson also said he would have been willing to trade any player for the right price, but he provided a list of those he thought the organization would be smart to hang on to during the re-building process. The list included Kaberle, Vesa Toskala, Alexander Steen, Anton Stralman, Jiri Tlusty, Justin Pogge and Nikolai Kulemin."

ps. Dom too much a liability for most teams because they don't have the Off and D to support him only getting 20 or less shots a game. And Average ozzie, well expect an average return.

Edited February 16, 2008 by sixer

[IceMunkee 15]

Wow mungee, you and hall of fame harold are quite the tandem.

I'd love to see you post all the highlights from this year when Osgood has completely stolen a game for the wings and our defence and offense were asleep. Hasn't happened, average ozzie needs a decent team in front of him otherwise lights out. He's not a Top Notch Goalie and that's why he's not being paid the big bucks. He's a bargain because he's good enough for the team we have. He's average and a backup and will not win us the cup this year if Hasek gets injured.

Mungee, clever play on words? Huh?

Anyhow, I think it would be silly to post all of the times Ozzie has made huge saves.

Oh and when you promised us you would not use the words Top Notch Goalie to often you failed. Your only arguement for anything is, "average ozzie" and Top Notch Goalie. Tell me young padawan your going to start a Top Notch Goalie website or something that will have "average ozzie" t-shirts thats why you repeat yourself so much. In the some teen post you have made in your thread you have not said anything differant once or compelling.

[IceMunkee 15]

i think maybe this guy IS toskala, and he really wants us to trade for him because the leafs are terrible ...

LOL! Maybe. Toskala wants to be on a good team?

John Ferguson Jr. "Ferguson also said he would have been willing to trade any player for the right price, but he provided a list of those he thought the organization would be smart to hang on to during the re-building process. The list included Kaberle, Vesa Toskala, Alexander Steen, Anton Stralman, Jiri Tlusty, Justin Pogge and Nikolai Kulemin."

ps. Dom too much a liability for most teams because they don't have the Off and D to support him only getting 20 or less shots a game. And Average ozzie, well expect an average return.

There you go again. Blah, Blah, Blah nothing new... average ozzie, blah blah blah.

[lets go pavel 2]

John Ferguson Jr. "Ferguson also said he would have been willing to trade any player for the right price, but he provided a list of those he thought the organization would be smart to hang on to during the re-building process. The list included Kaberle, Vesa Toskala, Alexander Steen, Anton Stralman, Jiri Tlusty, Justin Pogge and Nikolai Kulemin."

ps. Dom too much a liability for most teams because they don't have the Off and D to support him only getting 20 or less shots a game. And Average ozzie, well expect an average return.

would this be the same john ferguson jr they just s***-canned? well if he says so it must be true ...