Deadline - wish lists, hunches, speculation

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

You never know with Kenny! Modry is useless, like a less physical Meech, except older. I hope it's Stuart.

[Yzerfan1999 81]

Uhg, this deadline is making me nervous. I really don't want to see Holland give up a lot of the Wings future for rentals. At least give yourself a chance and get Stoll (RFA) or Vermette (RFA).

Defense is other issue. Not a great deal of good d-men up there that wouldn't cost the farm and aren't UFA's - thats where I think Kenny will have to bite the bullet.

To Edmonton:

Sammy, 1st round pick

To Detroit:

Jared Stoll

To Columbus:

Meech, Conditional Picks - depending on how far the Wings make it into the playoffs

To Detroit:

Adam Foote

Plausible?

Edit:

To Nashville:

Brad Ference

To Detroit:

Martin Gelinas

Ok, I know thats not plausible - but I'd like to see the Wings snag him for some playoff depth - playoff success follows this guy around.

Edited February 18, 2008 by Yzerfan1999

[Majsheppard 203]

Trade Deadline prediction, write it down.

Detroit gets Prospal (maybe for Grigs, Kopecky, Meech and a third rounder?)

Detroit gets Stuart (Quincey, Hartigan, Ellis and a second rounder?)

Detroit signs McCarty

Detroit gets Sundin (for a first rounder, Hudler, Sammy, and McGrath)

Detroit gets cup.

Hahaha nice to dream actually though,

bet on Detroit getting Prospal and Stuart. Or perhaps Cammalari and Modry.

[Majsheppard 203]

Here are the rules.

Do not move too many people, our team gels really good when everyone is in. We just need a bit more depth on the top offensive end.

Prospal is going to be that from my sources in Tampa say.

They aren't even asking that much, but when Sundin gets moved the price is going to go up.

Do not get rid of Franzen, he is one of the big guys who goes to the net and he can fill alot of roles. Do not get rid of Ericsson, Holland loves him so this is no deal. Do not get rid of Kindl, Smith, Emmerton, Howard, Logan, or Ablekerer. Fil or Hudler, if you get rid of both it's going to be hard to fix secondary scoring in the near future.

Depth at D, we know now that if Ralf goes down it will be like missing the Schneid all over again.

Meech should be included in any deal that gets us another Dman. He really isn't worth the space on the roster. I'd much rather put Quincey in.

Feds will not help us unless his job is to be a fourth liner or cheerleader, and he costs less then a 5th round pick.

McCarty is a heaven send, a free player that fills our teams need for grit, heart, depth, and trinary scoring. All in a package guarenteed to have chemistry built in with his teamates. All those people looking for Fedorov should look for DMac.

The sky isn't falling and Holland is set to add a little which will do alot, but he doesn't want to sell the farm. This is why no big names will be added, sorry.

Hossa and Sundin seem so unlikely, even though both have Detroit on their wishlist.

[Majsheppard 203]

Oh and Grigs has to be traded, just because the guy is going to keep trying for the NHL. The Lighting will take him.

[Yzerfan1999 81]

Oh and Grigs has to be traded, just because the guy is going to keep trying for the NHL. The Lighting will take him.

Good point - I would throw him in a package in a second..maybe sweeten the pot a bit. Don't tell anyone - but I don't think he is going to live up to potential...at all.

[awingsincebirth 0]

Hossa - can't afford him long term, too bad.

Sundin - probably going to stay put. But if he goes to Anaheim, I will be incredibly concerned. If he's going to move, I think we should make a real play

SO

Prospal

for

Grigorenko, Hudler, and a 3rd

&

Stuart

for

Meech, Kopecky, and a 2nd

&

Ryder

for

Sammuelson (If that is at all possible)

Also, see how McCarty continues to progress in GR, and if he keeps showing something, maybe sign him and waive Drake.

Edited February 18, 2008 by awingsincebirth

[Packer487 3]

Oh and Grigs has to be traded, just because the guy is going to keep trying for the NHL. The Lighting will take him.

Refusing to play in the AHL was "Trying for the NHL"? I'd be shocked to see him back across the pond again. I could be wrong, but I'd be really surprised if we hear from him again. And if there is a chance he could come back over here and be an NHL player, we'd probably be smart to keep him, since I imagine he has next-to-no trade value at this point.

Talking in general again, and not just at the quoted poster: I just don't see us getting anything for guys like Meech, Sammy, Grigorenko, Ellis, Downey, etc. There's a reason we don't mind giving people like that up. They're a dime a dozen (or in Grigs case, he hasn't proven to be worth a damn, and it's questionable if he'll come back). Even if Montreal wants to give Ryder away, I have to believe they'd be able to do better than Samuelsson in return. Even a 3rd round pick has more value at this point. And I'd do a third for Ryder in a heartbeat. Which means they probably wouldn't.

You can't exclude our top 8 prospects, pretty much everyone from the roster and expect to land anything at the deadline. To me, Howard should be the only untouchable. I know they like Ericsson and Kindl has potential even though he's been crap this year, but these aren't really the type of players who are can't miss and should be excluded from every trade proposal. If it's the right guy, they should be willing to deal.

I don't want to see Holland go Colorado and move every decent prospect we have, but it's not like we're trading Malkin here. Most of these guys--the forwards especially--are very replaceable. I don't want to see us pass up a chance to upgrade our team because we're scared to move Justin freaking Abdelkader. Some of these guys are decent-to-good prospects, sure. Trade value? They probably have some. But they aren't guys who we can't afford to give up.

Especially if you're one of those people that things Holland is an amazing GM...Since we'll clearly be able to replace them at the drop of a hat.

We've got a pretty darn good team, but they clearly need help up front. We can't be scared to deal because Shawn Matthais might turn into a player. We were a couple bounces away from probably winning the Cup last year. We've got a good shot this year, and with the right moves it could become a really great shot. This is a team that's in its window for winning a Cup--and probably toward the end of that window, though people have thought that for years--you can't be scared to take a shot. I'd much rather slightly mortgage the future and take a REAL run at this thing than keep my fingers crossed, hope we can pull it off, hope some of the prospects we wouldn't deal actually pan out.

Edited February 18, 2008 by Packer487

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

Yeah, if were not gonna get him, I'd hope that Anaheim would at least have to overpay, alot .

Exactly.....and that's part of Kenny's job.

[Kp-Wings 3]

To Detroit: Brad Stuart

To LA: Hudler, Meech, and a 3rd round draft pick

The Wings absolutley need defensive depth. I'm a big fan of Stuart, and given the Wings style of play, he'd fit in great here, since he's an offensive defenseman.

Hudler sucks, and is never going to make it here. Same goes for Meech.

To Detroit: Vaclav Prospal and Chris Gratton

To Tampa: Samuelsson, Franzen, Grigorenko, a 2nd round draft pick, and a 3rd round draft pick

Like the Wings need for defensive depth, they need offensive depth as well. Prospal isn't the most ideal choice, since he's a very sketchy goal scorer, but he's having a career season, and could be what the Wings need up front. Gratton provides physical play, and good depth on the 4th line. He can also put up points, if need be.

Samuelsson needs to go. He's becoming the worst and most useless player on the team, and it's sickening watching him anymore. Although Babcock, along with a variety of LGW posters, like Franzen, he is expendable. He's not that physical, and doesn't have much offensive potential at all. He's not the top 6 forward that some think he is. Grigorenko was a major bust, and he's need to be shipped out of this organization NOW.

To Detroit: Michael Ryder

To Montreal: Tomas Kopecky

Ryder, like Prospal, is another sketchy scorer, but unlike Prospal he's having a bad season. His value has gone down considerably, meaning the Wings could get him for nothing. He has a lot of potential, as back-to-back 30 goal seasons will atest to.

Kopecky is very expendable. He's become a little more physical lately, but he's still not a very physical player. He doesn't use his size enough, doesn't put up many points, and doesn't fight. He really has no role here.

Physical Defenseman Option #1

To Detroit: Brooks Orpik

To Pittsburgh: Ledba, Ellis, and a 2nd round draft pick

Brings defensive depth, and even more importantly, a physical defenseman. Something the Wings don't have at all, which they badly need.

Physical Defenseman Option #2

To Detroit: Jason Strudwick

To NY Rangers: Lebda, or Ellis

Costs somewhat less than Orpik. Brings needed grit on the blueline.

Sign McCarty

The Wings need grit. It's as simple as that. Downey is really the only purely physical player they have, and it's annoying that they have to rely on only one guy, who doesn't even play that often, to do all the dirty work. The Wings badly need grit, and McCarty will address that need.

Final Roster:

Zetterberg - Datsyuk - Holmstrom

Cleary - Prospal - Ryder

McCarty - Draper - Maltby

Filppula - Gratton - Drake

Downey

Lidstrom - Rafalski

Kronwall - Stuart

Orpik/Strudwick - Chelios

Lilja

Hasek

Osgood

[GMRwings1983 8,803]

I just hope we don't do anything stupid at the deadline, like getting a guy who won't re-sign with us next year, or some big useless defenseman who we won't even play in the playoffs. But I have great faith in Holland since he'd never do anything that dumb.

[awingsincebirth 0]

Holland Interview worth checking out

nothing new, actually didn't watch it before posting it, bot much is said.

Edited February 18, 2008 by awingsincebirth

[Grittzkey 1]

My ideal happenings.

Det - Jarkko Ruutu - Colby Armstrong - Brooks Oprik

Pit - Jiri Hudler - Mikael Samuelsson - Derek Meech - Conditional Pick

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

My ideal happenings.

Det - Jarkko Ruutu - Colby Armstrong - Brooks Oprik

Pit - Jiri Hudler - Mikael Samuelsson - Derek Meech - Conditional Pick

That'd be alright, but just so im sure, you know that'd never happen right?

[Grittzkey 1]

That'd be alright, but just so im sure, you know that'd never happen right?

Well aware.

[Kp-Wings 3]

That'd be alright, but just so im sure, you know that'd never happen right?

Just about every trade mentioned in this thread won't happen, so there's no difference. Heck, I mentioned the Wings trading Franzen, Kopecky, and Lebda all in the same day, which will never happen in a million years, because Babcock likes all three of them (too much, in fact). This topic is, more or less, just what we would hope to see happen.

[Guest EZBAKETHAGANGSTA]

woot

[FinRedWing 172]

Not Modry... Please.

[ashenhigh 9]

meech needs to stay a red wing.

only players worth trading : sammy and hudler

[Kp-Wings 3]

Not Modry... Please.

Ugh, tell me about it. Of course, Modry is the epitome of players that fit the bill for this team... old, soft, weak players that are 100 years past their prime. Modry's best years were 2001-2004 with the LA Kings before the lockout. He's sucked ass since then.

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

Ugh, tell me about it. Of course, Modry is the epitome of players that fit the bill for this team... old, soft, weak players that are 100 years past their prime. Modry's best years were 2001-2004 with the LA Kings before the lockout. He's sucked ass since then.

Disagree. Modry has always been horrible

[WhiteLightning91 105]

Prospal - Datsyuk - Holmstrom

Filppula - Zetterberg - Cleary

Maltby - Draper - Drake

Gratton - Franzen - Downey

(Samuelsson)

Lidstrom - Kronwall

Rafalski - Stuart

Lilja - Chelios

(Lebda)

Hasek

Osgood

Trades

Det: Prospal/Gratton

TB: Hudler, Pyett, McGrath, 2nd in 09

Det: Stuart

LA: Quincey, 2nd in 08

Edited February 19, 2008 by WhiteLightning91

[detroitdan 0]

Prospal - Datsyuk - Holmstrom

Filppula - Zetterberg - Cleary

Maltby - Draper - Drake

Gratton - Franzen - Downey

(Samuelsson)

Lidstrom - Kronwall

Rafalski - Stuart

Lilja - Chelios

(Lebda)

Hasek

Osgood

Trades

Det: Prospal/Gratton

TB: Hudler, Pyett, McGrath, 2nd in 09

Det: Stuart

LA: Quincey, 2nd in 08

way too many young guys leaving in that scenario in my opinion

[stevkrause 1,247]

meech needs to stay a red wing.

only players worth trading : sammy and hudler

because he had one really good game?!? yes he stepped up last night when Nick went down, but if anything, I just think we need to capitalize on that and trade him while his value is the highest - He makes defensive lapses in judgement, lacks the size and unfortunately for him... there just isn't the room in my mind - is he good? yes. Does he have a spot here? No.

Ericsson and Quincey are NHL ready NOW and deserve the shot more than Meech and Kindl and Smith will be here in a couple years once Cheli calls it a day... not to mention who ever comes in at deadline... just no room.

[GMRwings1983 8,803]

Just about every trade mentioned in this thread won't happen, so there's no difference. Heck, I mentioned the Wings trading Franzen, Kopecky, and Lebda all in the same day, which will never happen in a million years, because Babcock likes all three of them (too much, in fact). This topic is, more or less, just what we would hope to see happen.

God knows mine would if Holland ever put that on the table.