Deadline - wish lists, hunches, speculation

[Hank 0]

or these?

All quality artillery!

[wingslogo19 281]

These guns?

.. That's a classic

[Yzerfan1999 81]

im so sick of all this trade talk why can't tuesday just come already!!!! its like christmas day!

Hahah, I wouldn't say that...what if we get nothing?

[GMRwings1983 8,803]

or these?

Hey, Pam was a Wings fan when she was with Kid Rock. I know that wherever she is, she still has the Wings on her mind.

[esteef 2,679]

Hey, Pam was a Wings fan when she was with Kid Rock. I know that wherever she is, she still has the Wings on her mind.

NOT! That ***** regularly sports Maple Leaf s***! But her titties are ridiculous!

Cheers!

esteef

Edited February 20, 2008 by esteef

[GMRwings1983 8,803]

NOT! That ***** regularly sports Maple Leaf s***! But her titties are ridiculous!

Cheers!

esteef

Pam would look better wearing a Wings jersey.

[Booster313 138]

Pam would look better wearing a Wings jersey.

At the risk of sounding crude...Pam would look better not wearing a jersey at all. Well as long as she has all her make-up on.

[GMRwings1983 8,803]

At the risk of sounding crude...Pam would look better not wearing a jersey at all. Well as long as she has all her make-up on.

You're right, but in my mind she doesn't need makeup, or even those weapons to be hot.

What was this thread about by the way?

[ShanahanMan 473]

Theres no way in hell we can afford Prospal. And if we pick up Sundin, theres no way we could get another solid defenseman. If we wanna keep the price somewhat low, I'd honestly say Feds. + defenseman.

[shannyfan1414 0]

"Today is arms and back. It's boring, but it's my life"

P.S. I'm all for dealing both Filpulla and Huds for Hossa as well - if he signs on for a longer term.

I would hate to see either of them go. On the other hand i would love to Hossa playing here for the next several years. I guess the big question is going to be how much he would want to sign here.

[Guest nutz2u]

I would hate to see either of them go. On the other hand i would love to Hossa playing here for the next several years. I guess the big question is going to be how much he would want to sign here.

I have asked this question b4 when Hossa has been brought up as a Wing long term. How can the Wings afford him ? If they sign Zetterberg to a contract comparible to Datsyuk they will have app. 27M committed to 4 players, Lidstrom, Rafalski, Datsyuk and Zetterberg. I don't see how they could afford Hossa.

[hillbillywingsfan 794]

I have asked this question b4 when Hossa has been brought up as a Wing long term. How can the Wings afford him ? If they sign Zetterberg to a contract comparible to Datsyuk they will have app. 27M committed to 4 players, Lidstrom, Rafalski, Datsyuk and Zetterberg. I don't see how they could afford Hossa.

this is from the hossa thread.

QUOTE (YoungGuns1340 @ February 19, 2008 - 08:47PM)

Detroit will have absolutely no problem having Hossa on the books next season, as Hanks contract wont kick in til the season after that. 09/10 is what Im more worried about. And hopefully, they can offer Cleary a longer term contract (5 years?) at a cheaper price (2.5?), which in reality is a deal Cleary might take, as thats a lot of security for such an inconsistent player as Cleary. Now, hopefully when/if Detroit re-signs their players, they'll re-sign them all to at least 2 year deals (except Chelios), so they can calculate how much money theyll have booked for 09/10.

A look at 08/09

Cap: ~54M

Hudler(1.1) - Hank(2.65) - Hossa (7)

Cleary(2.5) - Datsyuk(6.7) - Homer (2.25)

Kopecky (.5)- Franzen (.94) - Sammy (1.2)

Maltby(.88)- Draper(1.5) - Dmac? (.5)

Downey (.55)

Lidstrom (7.4) - Ericsson (.65)

Raffi (6) - Kronner (3)

Lebda (.65) - Cheli (.8)

Quincey (.65)

Osgood (1.4)

Howard (.8)

Total: ~49.9M

09/10

Estimated cap ~56M

Hudler(2.5) - Hank(7) - Hossa (7)

Cleary(2.5) - Datsyuk(6.7) - Homer (2.25)

Abdelkader?(.6) - Kopecky (.7) - UFA (1.2)

Maltby(.88) - Draper(1.5)- Dmac?(.5)

Downey (.55)

Lidstrom (7.4) - Ericsson (.65)

Raffi (6) - Kronner (3)

Lebda (.65) - Quincey (.65)

UFA/prospect (.65)

Osgood (1.4)

Howard (.8)

Cap: 55.1 - If the Wings can talk Hudler, wholl be an RFA if hes still around, into taking a one year deal at maybe 1.8M for the 09/10 season and wait to see what they can give him after Lidstroms salary comes off the books in 10/11, then we'd be looking at a around 54.5M payroll, which would still give Detroit some space under the cap in 09/10.

It is doable.

[hckypete96 3]

flip and hudler to atlanta for hossa

kopecy to columbus for fedorov

sammy to la for stuart

sign d mac

homer dats z

cleary feds hossa

malts drapes dmac

drake franzen downey

[sinbin 3]

flip and hudler to atlanta for hossa

kopecy to columbus for fedorov

sammy to la for stuart

sign d mac

homer dats z

cleary feds hossa

malts drapes dmac

drake franzen downey

where's the youth....this is short term

[stevkrause 1,247]

flip and hudler to atlanta for hossa

kopecy to columbus for fedorov

sammy to la for stuart

sign d mac

homer dats z

cleary feds hossa

malts drapes dmac

drake franzen downey

I don't like that one bit - you don't give up Flip and/or Huds for a rental and like was already mentioned, where's the youth?!?

As I've already made clear, I want them to go after Stoll, but that's starting to look unlikely... and we don't want to get rid of all of our youth, especially with the way Kopecky's been playing - even better would be:

Sammuelsson, prospect and 5th round pick to Columbus for Fedorov

Meech and a prospect/pick to LA for Brad Stuart, with an extra pick or 2 added if he re-signs with the Wings

Sign McCarty for depth and call it a day... you don't fix what isn't broken either and a major shake up could screw team chemistry... minimal changes to add, not overhaul:

Filpulla - Datsyuk - Homstrom

Cleary - Zetterberg - Fedorov

Franzen - Draper - Maltby

Hudler - Kopecky - Drake

Downey and McCarty rotating in as needed

Lidstrom - Rafalski

Kronwall - Stuart

Lilja - Chelios

Lebda rotating in as needed

Hasek

Osgood

That looks a lot better to me - both in ability and cost.

Edited February 21, 2008 by stevkrause

[Dabura 12,232]

you don't give up Flip and/or Huds for a rental and like was already mentioned, where's the youth?!?

1. Hossa is not a rental.

2. Hossa is not a rental.

3. Hossa is not a rental.

4. Look at our current roster and ask yourself, "Where's the scoring depth?" Sorry, but Hudler, Flip, Sammy and Franzen are not going to cut it. We need a goal-scoring type.

5. Did I mention Hossa's not a rental?

[The Enforcer 13]

Hossa. Stuart, Fedorov

[russianswede919293 95]

1. Hossa is not a rental.

2. Hossa is not a rental.

3. Hossa is not a rental.

4. Look at our current roster and ask yourself, "Where's the scoring depth?" Sorry, but Hudler, Flip, Sammy and Franzen are not going to cut it. We need a goal-scoring type.

5. Did I mention Hossa's not a rental?

1. Hossa's not affordable long term

2. Hossa's not affordable long term

3. Hossa's not affordable long term

4. Yes the team needs scoring depth

5. did I mention Hossa is not affordable long term

[stevkrause 1,247]

1. Hossa's not affordable long term

2. Hossa's not affordable long term

3. Hossa's not affordable long term

4. Yes the team needs scoring depth

5. did I mention Hossa is not affordable long term

thank you.

[stevkrause 1,247]

1. Hossa is not a rental.

2. Hossa is not a rental.

3. Hossa is not a rental.

4. Look at our current roster and ask yourself, "Where's the scoring depth?" Sorry, but Hudler, Flip, Sammy and Franzen are not going to cut it. We need a goal-scoring type.

5. Did I mention Hossa's not a rental?

as already said, he is not affordable long term, so if he came here - he WOULD be a rental, as we would not be able to retain him after this year... also, as you will notice if you loom at my last post, it included sending Sammy out - Fedorov would offer scoring touch at the price we can afford, I don't agree with mortgaging the future for something that needs only minor tweaks...

[eva unit zero 271]

1. Hossa's not affordable long term

2. Hossa's not affordable long term

3. Hossa's not affordable long term

4. Yes the team needs scoring depth

5. did I mention Hossa is not affordable long term

Hossa is affordable long term. Even in your scenario. Because in your scenario, the Wings went about 750k over the cap based on Hossa at 8m. Hossa would not be making more than Nick (7.45m) because nobody on the Wings will. So that brings them closer. Then factor in that if you have to choose between keeping Hossa or keeping Cleary, and you can only afford one, you keep Hossa. If Cleary wants to stay, and the Wings can't afford him at 2.5m, he takes less. Realistically he shouldn't get more than Homer's 2.25, so I don't see the problem fitting him in if a trade is available. The only question is whether Atlanta's asking price is doable.

[Dabura 12,232]

ftw

[Dabura 12,232]

I'd like to add that I have no idea why "The Future" and Hossa are viewed by so many as being mutually exclusive. Hossa is a young franchise winger who's only now heading into his prime. You want a bright future? There ya go.

[stevkrause 1,247]

I'd like to add that I have no idea why "The Future" and Hossa are viewed by so many as being mutually exclusive. Hossa is a young franchise winger who's only now heading into his prime. You want a bright future? There ya go.

I think he'd be an AMAZING fit here, but you do not mortgage the future on an insanely high asking price - He wants a big contract and in my opinion, he shouldn't get more than 5 a year... Z is in for a raise around 7, dats is at about 7, nick is at 7 and raffi is at 6... if Hossa was in around anything more than 5 a year - that's more than 32 a year locked up on ONLY 5 guys...

If he will stay here and sign for 5 a year or less, over at LEAST a 3 year contract... fine, get it done, but that effectively cuts out any other forward, all these ridiculous, Fedorov and Hossa posts are just that, rediculous, because you would need to essentially bleed all of our tradeable resources to get Hossa...

Long story short - he want s a payday, in the range of 8 a year - Not worth it.

[VM1138 1,921]

I think he'd be an AMAZING fit here, but you do not mortgage the future on an insanely high asking price - He wants a big contract and in my opinion, he shouldn't get more than 5 a year... Z is in for a raise around 7, dats is at about 7, nick is at 7 and raffi is at 6... if Hossa was in around anything more than 5 a year - that's more than 32 a year locked up on ONLY 5 guys...

If he will stay here and sign for 5 a year or less, over at LEAST a 3 year contract... fine, get it done, but that effectively cuts out any other forward, all these ridiculous, Fedorov and Hossa posts are just that, rediculous, because you would need to essentially bleed all of our tradeable resources to get Hossa...

Long story short - he want s a payday, in the range of 8 a year - Not worth it.

He doesn't want that much. He's not only affordable, but someone worked it out to where we could even have money left under the cap. If a poster can do that certainly Holland can crunch the numbers.

And people, Hossa IS the future. He's not an aging veteran. He's only BEGINNING his prime years. He could be with us for just as long as Zetterberg and Datsyuk could be. I say lock him up, especially since as the yeras go on his hit under the cap would be less and less, thus giving us more to work with each year.