Guest GordieSid&Ted Report post Posted February 18, 2008 It would take a Lidstrom-type player to land him, and Lidstrom only has a couple more years, so we would have to give up one of Datsyuk or Zetterberg. Obviously their biggest hole after they fill the center position back up is goaltending, and I'm thinking Howard would be a good enough prospect there. Of course there would have to be first round picks and a skating prospect involved. Maybe Kindl? Datsyuk/Zetterberg (probably Dats, as I'm sure GMs would be worried about picking up an injury-prone player) Howard Kindl 1sts So not worth it. Leave ruining futures to Atlanta and Nashville. I wouldn't give them Howard and Kindl, but either one with Dats and a 1st isn't a lot for a franchise player who is only 28. I'm not for giving up a first rounder for a rental but for a top 5 player in the league, that's a no brainer. Of course it's still sort of a lateral move as Vinny isn't miles ahead of Datsyuk. It's just that Vinny can pass the puck and bag 50 goals. Dats, because of the way he likes to play, will never be a 50 goal guy and likely never a 40 goal guy. And Dats can't fight and doesn't weigh in at 220 lbs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sevumar 0 Report post Posted February 18, 2008 This is just getting silly. Lecavalier has one less goal than Z and only 5 more points, but we're falling all over ourselves to give up anything that's not nailed down for him? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest GordieSid&Ted Report post Posted February 18, 2008 hahaha Gordo you'd trade Dats and Fedorov for Benny Lecavalier. ahhahah i joking. But what about Z and Dats for Vinny....... Seriously though i wouldn't be surprised to see Vinny in Montreal. Ahh yes, but I would wecome Feds back with open arms if it meant he'd replace Hudler or Samuelsson. Any deal for Feds that sees us losing either one of them and a prospect not named Howard, Kindl, Eriksson and Abdelkader or a 2nd round pick or later would have me scouring ebay for a vintage Feds jersey in the blink of an eye! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted February 18, 2008 This is just getting silly. Lecavalier has one less goal than Z and only 5 more points, but we're falling all over ourselves to give up anything that's not nailed down for him? What would you give up for Zetterberg if he wasn't on your team? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest GordieSid&Ted Report post Posted February 18, 2008 This is just getting silly. Lecavalier has one less goal than Z and only 5 more points, but we're falling all over ourselves to give up anything that's not nailed down for him? Oh yes, because before this season neither of these guys existed? Ever hear of something called the bigger picture? 30 goal seasons V = 5 Z = 3 50 goal seasons V = 1 Z = 0 70+ point seasons V = 4 Z = 2 100+ point seasons V = 1 Z = 0 Other things to keep in mind Z is injury prone. Lecavalier is going to play 80 or more games for the 7th time in 9 seasons. The only thing Z does that is clearly better than Vinny is backcheck harder. But Vinny is bigger, stronger, hits harder and fights so I call it a wash. Zetterberg is a fantastic player, one of the top maybe 9-13 skaters in the game. But Vinny is one of the top 5 skaters in the game. If Z is an A, Vinny is an A+. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
timsummers 0 Report post Posted February 18, 2008 Oh yes, because before this season neither of these guys existed? Ever hear of something called the bigger picture? 30 goal seasons V = 5 Z = 3 50 goal seasons V = 1 Z = 0 70+ point seasons V = 4 Z = 2 100+ point seasons V = 1 Z = 0 Other things to keep in mind Z is injury prone. Lecavalier is going to play 80 or more games for the 7th time in 9 seasons. The only thing Z does that is clearly better than Vinny is backcheck harder. But Vinny is bigger, stronger, hits harder and fights so I call it a wash. Zetterberg is a fantastic player, one of the top maybe 9-13 skaters in the game. But Vinny is one of the top 5 skaters in the game. If Z is an A, Vinny is an A+. i would trade Z, a pick and a prospect in a second for lecavalier. i had no idea that he was only 27. so...apart from being a little sad about missing the highlight reel goals id trade the same package with datsyuk also. but i suppose vinny can uh...provide those highlight reel goals also. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest GordieSid&Ted Report post Posted February 18, 2008 What would you give up for Zetterberg if he wasn't on your team? If I were an outsider and had some notion of his injury history, not nearly what i'd give up for Lecavalier. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hank 0 Report post Posted February 18, 2008 (edited) Oh yes, because before this season neither of these guys existed? Ever hear of something called the bigger picture? 30 goal seasons V = 5 Z = 3 50 goal seasons V = 1 Z = 0 70+ point seasons V = 4 Z = 2 100+ point seasons V = 1 Z = 0 Other things to keep in mind Z is injury prone. Lecavalier is going to play 80 or more games for the 7th time in 9 seasons. The only thing Z does that is clearly better than Vinny is backcheck harder. But Vinny is bigger, stronger, hits harder and fights so I call it a wash. Zetterberg is a fantastic player, one of the top maybe 9-13 skaters in the game. But Vinny is one of the top 5 skaters in the game. If Z is an A, Vinny is an A+. I'd agree. I've heard many players and GM's say that Vinny is the best forward in the game today. Zetts gets a lot of deserved praise as well, but in my mind, if this straight-up deal was offered to Holland, he should say 'yes' before his brain could even formulate the word. Here's another question for LGW's members: Would you deal Dats and Zetts for Lecavailer and Iginla straight up? If it were offered, I'd do it in a heartbeat. Edited February 18, 2008 by Hank Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted February 18, 2008 Z is one of my favorite players, but I'd trade anyone on the team not named Lidstrom to bring in Vinny. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted February 18, 2008 Samuelson, Kopecky, Hudler and Meech of course Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SweWings 45 Report post Posted February 18, 2008 I don't have a problem with trading away Z or D for Vinny but likely Tampa can get a much nicer deal if they want to... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kp-Wings 3 Report post Posted February 18, 2008 Samuelson, Kopecky, Hudler and Meech of course What??? You forgot about Lilja! He'll definitly attract teams with all that team toughness he brings. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted February 18, 2008 What??? You forgot about Lilja! He'll definitly attract teams with all that team toughness he brings. Hey, Hey. I'm not doing Tampa Bay any favors, if were giving up that much, we better be getting Gratton back too! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlakChamber 8 Report post Posted February 18, 2008 Z is one of my favorite players, but I'd trade anyone on the team not named Lidstrom to bring in Vinny. Well said Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sevumar 0 Report post Posted February 18, 2008 I just don't think it's a big enough upgrade, that I'd feel good about dumping a guy who has been in Detroit all his career, likes the team (and the players) and is loyal to it, and is emerging as the next generation leader for this group of guys, in Tampa Bay. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted February 19, 2008 Knowing this and the fact that their season is over... what do you think the odds are that he could become available at THIS deadline, when his worth is the highest? Zero. The Lightning will want to make the playoffs next season, and I can guarantee you they're not willing to mortgage the next 1.5 seasons straightaway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
imisssergei 0 Report post Posted February 19, 2008 I'd give any roster player, any prospect, and any combination of draft picks necessary. My offer would start with Z, Howard, and a 3rd. The reason I start with that offer is because: A) Z has back issues. Something that will only get worse with time. Also, Pav is locked up long term with the Wings, so that is a plus. B) Howard is a strong goaltending prospect. Something I think Tampa Bay would deem a 'must have' in any deal for Vinny. C). A 3rd just as a feeler. If they want more, it's done. As an addition, I was watching TSN the other night, and the analyst said that Vinny has asked to be moved in the off season to a bigger market team, and that team didn't necessarily need to be a contender. That struck me as odd for one big reason. Why would Vinny want to move and not be on a contender? He lives in Tampa, it's warm, there are beautiful women all over the place, great night life, ect. I guess time will tell.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
imisssergei 0 Report post Posted February 19, 2008 Zero. The Lightning will want to make the playoffs next season, and I can guarantee you they're not willing to mortgage the next 1.5 seasons straightaway. How would they be mortgaging the next 1.5 seasons? They aren't likely to make the playoffs. And if they do, it looks like an early exit. IF they trade Vinny, they will no doubt be bringing in a solid roster player, some stud prospects, and some decent picks. You have to remember, it will also clear a lot of cap space which could be used to re-sign Boyle, and find a solid number one in net. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted February 19, 2008 I would trade: Hudler or Filppula Kindl or Ericsson Howard or Larsson Up to three first round picks Hudler or Flip would be replaced in the top six by Lecavalier, who is slightly older but much better. Kindl/Ericsson and Howard/Larsson would be a difficult pill to swallow, but the fact that I could link each player to another with similar projected skill level means would could absorb the hit if it meant adding another top-level forward. I would not trade: Datsyuk Zetterberg Lidstrom Kronwall Dats and Z are top level forwards on par with Lecavalier in ability and contract, so there is no reason to make a straight swap, and certainly no reason to give up Dats+ or Z+. Lidstrom is the best player in the world, but as he's nearing the end of his career the Lightning would probably want more coming back. I wouldn't do a straight swap, so no thanks to any Lidstrom deal. Kronwall is the future core of our defense, and is coming into his own as a top-level two-way blueliner. The only question would be whether the Wings could afford Hank, Dats, Vinny, and Nick under the cap without lining them up with nothing but scrubs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
imisssergei 0 Report post Posted February 19, 2008 I would trade: Hudler or Filppula Kindl or Ericsson Howard or Larsson Up to three first round picks Hudler or Flip would be replaced in the top six by Lecavalier, who is slightly older but much better. Kindl/Ericsson and Howard/Larsson would be a difficult pill to swallow, but the fact that I could link each player to another with similar projected skill level means would could absorb the hit if it meant adding another top-level forward. I would not trade: Datsyuk Zetterberg Lidstrom Kronwall Dats and Z are top level forwards on par with Lecavalier in ability and contract, so there is no reason to make a straight swap, and certainly no reason to give up Dats+ or Z+. Lidstrom is the best player in the world, but as he's nearing the end of his career the Lightning would probably want more coming back. I wouldn't do a straight swap, so no thanks to any Lidstrom deal. Kronwall is the future core of our defense, and is coming into his own as a top-level two-way blueliner. The only question would be whether the Wings could afford Hank, Dats, Vinny, and Nick under the cap without lining them up with nothing but scrubs. Before you can rest any confidence in Kronwall to fulfill that prediction, he must play a full 82 game regular season. Until then, he you can't count on him for anything. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ben_usmc 253 Report post Posted February 19, 2008 I haven't watched a ton of him, hows his d? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
