Hossa Sweepstakes down to four teams?

[HenryMalredo 2]

That right there is my issue...I have agreed that number wise he fits, unless cap doesnt go up for the 2009/2010 season. BUT the squeezing in is a dangerous things. Plenty of teams have played with fire and played the cap tight, like Tampa Bay and Toronto, and it has gotten them in plenty of trouble.

Exactly. Everybody doing the numbers for this are using best case numbers. Holland won't make this deal because it is unfeasible under worst case numbers.

Hossa wants to win the cup...beantown isn't the right place for that

Remember when Luongo wanted to leave Florida and take a discount to play for a contender, and because of that he's playing for peanuts in Detroit like everyone on this board said he would............oh wait he playing for some good money on a mediocre Vancouver team. Same situation folks.

[Dabura 12,232]

I've been out all day. I apologize in advance for taking this thread back a few pages.

That right there is my issue...I have agreed that number wise he fits, unless cap doesnt go up for the 2009/2010 season. BUT the squeezing in is a dangerous things.

Semantics. When I said, "squeeze," I didn't mean squeeze in the too-close-for-comfort sense. Poor word choice on my part, I guess.

Anyway, Hossa has said money is not an issue. While I think that's largely bulls***, I do think he'd be willing to take less if it meant winning more -- i.e. signing here for less than the $8 million tag that so many people are attaching to him. If he does choose to sign here, he won't get more than $7 million. I personally believe he'd get less than 7, but let's, for the sake of argument, say he gets 7 flat.

We're looking at a 54 cap for 08-09. That's doable, with elbow room to spare. IMHO, a cap increase in 09-10 is practically inevitable. But for the sake of argument, let's say it remains at 54. That's also doable, with elbow room to spare.

Cleary (2.25m) - Datsyuk (6.7m) - Hossa (7m)

Hudler (1.015m) - Zetterberg (7m) - Holmstrom (2.25m)

Maltby (883k) - Draper (1.583m) - Kopecky (550k)

Abdelkader (500k) - ??? (Let's call it 525k) - Downey (550k)

??? (Let's say 475k)

Lidstrom (7.45m) - Ericsson (525k)

Kronwall (3m) - Rafalski (6m)

Lebda (650k) - Quincey (650k)

??? (Let's say Meech. 483k)

Osgood (1.4m)

Howard (800k)

If my math is correct (I scribbled it out on a napkin on the train ride home, so it might not be), that adds up to $52,239,000 million. That would afford enough room with the 54 cap, and certainly enough room for comfort with a higher ceiling, which I'd bet good money on seeing in 09-10. Deferred bonuses are of minimal concern.

This was done with little thought and limited knowledge/resources on my part, but I was still able to come up with favorable results. Were I to put more time and research into this, I could probably do even better. Obviously it's a given that Holland could work out something even better than that. Point being, Hossa can be had without putting the organization in a financial pickle.

I remember you arguing that bringing in Hossa would force the Wings to rush some of their youngsters into the NHL. I thought about this today and concluded that, yes, there would probably be some rushing. But certainly not to an alarming extent. Abdelkader, for one, is coming along very well and surprisingly quickly. I've seen him play -- he's an impressive player. To quote Jim Nill: "Abdelkader's in your face. He's closer to being ready to play [than some other prospects] with the physical maturity. We had him in at our development camp and he was 210 pounds and he could carry another 10 pounds and it wouldn't hurt him. He's solid in all areas." (January 2007)

Like I've said before, I don't think we'll land Hossa. But it is doable, and comfortably so. Moving on....

to say that Detroit has better chances than Bos is mathematically incorrect.

Somehow, I don't think that means much to Hossa. If he wants a contender, Detroit is the place for him.

Edited February 23, 2008 by Dabura

[Guest CaliWingsNut]

http://tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=230327&hubname=nhl

Reposted from the renegade kill the huge hossa thread

Edited February 23, 2008 by CaliWingsNut

[Kp-Wings 3]

Somehow, I don't think that means much to Hossa. If he wants a contender, Detroit is the place for him.

Hossa also wants money, which is something Detroit may not give him. They still need to re-sign Zetterberg, among other things.

[norrisnick 1]

Hossa also wants money, which is something Detroit may not give him. They still need to re-sign Zetterberg, among other things.

Holland included his own club amongst those that could possibly make a major move.

"We're prepared to be aggressive," Holland said. "Since 1995, we've traded away eight first-round picks and couple of second rounders to get good players. We've been aggressive when we think the time is right."

Holland surprisingly told Waddell that, should the right deal present itself, the Red Wings would go out and acquire a high-priced player (think Marian Hossa and Mats Sundin, Waddell suggests), but they'd only do so if they were assured that the acquisition was not a playoff rental--because, Holland says, they've got the cap space necessary to ensure that a big acquisition would be wearing a Wings jersey for years to come:

"We're actually $6-million US plus under the 2008-09 already plus whatever the increase in the cap is going to be next year," Holland said. "They're talking about it going up to $54-55 million. We're in great shape. We have tons of cap space."

[rage 24]

Holland included his own club amongst those that could possibly make a major move.

"We're prepared to be aggressive," Holland said. "Since 1995, we've traded away eight first-round picks and couple of second rounders to get good players. We've been aggressive when we think the time is right."

Holland surprisingly told Waddell that, should the right deal present itself, the Red Wings would go out and acquire a high-priced player (think Marian Hossa and Mats Sundin, Waddell suggests), but they'd only do so if they were assured that the acquisition was not a playoff rental--because, Holland says, they've got the cap space necessary to ensure that a big acquisition would be wearing a Wings jersey for years to come:

"We're actually $6-million US plus under the 2008-09 already plus whatever the increase in the cap is going to be next year," Holland said. "They're talking about it going up to $54-55 million. We're in great shape. We have tons of cap space."

That's great man!! Where did you find that?

[norrisnick 1]

http://blog.mlive.com/snapshots/2008/02/ho...ls_will_re.html

[Guest Canadian Wings]

"Do you go for it this year and throw a lot of assets at it or does the next year or two present a better chance of winning the cup and you go lower key and continue to build your roster? I don't want to throw away assets for nothing. The league starts up again in September."

They better go for it!

[rage 24]

http://blog.mlive.com/snapshots/2008/02/ho...ls_will_re.html

Awesome. This was a great interview. More than I can say for what I heard eariler with Fleatcher from the Leafs.

[Guest CaliWingsNut]

That interview actually made me think that he's not even really looking for a defenseman... I think he likely will... but still...

[russianswede919293 95]

Wings and Rangers, while the other clubs would prefer to negotiate a contract with Hossa prior to completing a trade.

Spectors

Just throwing that out there....

[sinbin 3]

like little kids waiting on the 24th of December, aren't we?

[Dabura 12,232]

like little kids waiting on the 24th of December, aren't we?

Ha, my thoughts exactly!

I'm liking what Kenny's saying. :beerbuddy:

[Dabura 12,232]

Double

Edited February 23, 2008 by Dabura

[rage 24]

Spectors

Just throwing that out there....

Bruce Garrioch reports the Senators remain in the hunt for Hossa, along with the Canadiens, Sharks, Wings, Ducks, Canucks, Rangers and Bruins. Sources say Hossa would be a rental player for the Senators, Wings and Rangers, while the other clubs would prefer to negotiate a contract with Hossa prior to completing a trade. SPECTOR'S NOTE: Keep in mind that the Thrashers are seeking a hockey deal that'll keep them in this year's playoff chase. A package of picks and prospects and untested youngsters won't be enough.

Fixed it for ya!

Bruce Garrioch has no idea what he's talking about.

[kylee 727]

Spectors

Just throwing that out there....

seeing articles like that and hearing how much cap space we have, and how whoever we happen to trade for Holland will want to re-sign or at least has the money to do so makes me believe more that the Wings wouldnt be going after Sundin (which is a good thing - he's a rental)

come onnn Marian Hossa :banana:

[YoungGuns1340 1]

Spectors

Just throwing that out there....

Then you should throw this out there too...

WINDSOR STAR: reports Holland expects a flurry of trades to occur heading toward the deadline, probably starting on Monday, and in his conversations with other GMs expects some big deals could go down. Holland also noted that his team is in good shape cap-wise for the future, and he'd want assurances that any big-ticket player he'd acquire would be willing to re-sign with the Wings.

SPECTOR'S NOTE: I don't blame Holland for wanting to re-sign, considering he lost Todd Bertuzzi for nothing last summer after giving up a good return to Florida to land him.

[Dabura 12,232]

Would Hossa want to "limit" his earning potential to be on a winning club?

I'm not sure he'd want to limit his earnings, but he has essentially said he would do it if it meant being on a consistently competitive team.

[VM1138 1,921]

So Montreal is not offering Higgins. That would place the Wings at the forefront now in what we can offer, wouldn't it?

[Guest Canadian Wings]

So Montreal is not offering Higgins. That would place the Wings at the forefront now in what we can offer, wouldn't it?

Not necessarily. Montreal still has a couple other chips. Boston is also very interested and might dangle Kessell, as is Ottawa and there dangling Vermette.

[Guest Canadian Wings]

on Sportsnet Bill Waters said Hossa will be going to Detroit when asked which team he thought would get Hossa, then he said something along the lines of "i know something"...

[StevieY9802 6]

on Sportsnet Bill Waters said Hossa will be going to Detroit when asked which team he thought would get Hossa, then he said something along the lines of "i know something"...

I would love to get the guy, as long as Filppula is not part of that deal, he's going to be too good. I would do it if they could sign him, but that will be really hard with Zetterberg up for a new contract. They could have 34mil between Dats, Zetts, Hossa, Lidstrom and Rafalski. Thats a lot.

[Guest Canadian Wings]

I would love to get the guy, as long as Filppula is not part of that deal, he's going to be too good. I would do it if they could sign him, but that will be really hard with Zetterberg up for a new contract. They could have 34mil between Dats, Zetts, Hossa, Lidstrom and Rafalski. Thats a lot.

filppula will most likely be in the deal.

[Dabura 12,232]

I would love to get the guy, as long as Filppula is not part of that deal, he's going to be too good.

Not as good as Hossa. Moreover, Flip would, at best, serve a role that Dats is already serving -- that of a shifty, defensively responsible playmaker. Outside of Hank, the Wings have no goal-scorers on their roster or even within their system at large.

Hossa for Flip, a pick and a prospect would be a steal.

I would do it if they could sign him, but that will be really hard with Zetterberg up for a new contract.

It really won't, though. Besides, Holland knows better than to get himself into trouble with the cap. If he brings in Hossa, it'll be at a good price.

I honestly don't know why everyone is worried about the cap situation. Holland himself says he likes where this team is in regards to the cap and that he has enough room to swing a big deal. Recall:

Holland surprisingly told Waddell that, should the right deal present itself, the Red Wings would go out and acquire a high-priced player (think Marian Hossa and Mats Sundin, Waddell suggests), but they'd only do so if they were assured that the acquisition was not a playoff rental--because, Holland says, they've got the cap space necessary to ensure that a big acquisition would be wearing a Wings jersey for years to come:

"We're actually $6-million US plus under the 2008-09 already plus whatever the increase in the cap is going to be next year," Holland said. "They're talking about it going up to $54-55 million. We're in great shape. We have tons of cap space."

(http://blog.mlive.com/snapshots/2008/02/ho...ls_will_re.html)

[Echolalia 2,961]

The thing we gotta look at is whether Fillpulla will be "Hossa" good. Honestly if its between having Fillpulla for a couple years and Hossa, I would pick Hossa 10 times out of 10. I like Flips and all, but we're talking about Hossa, here...