Wings among trade deadline losers

[CdnWingsFanEh 2]

i agree with you for the most part. i would of traded picks for feds but not a 1st rd pick. he's not worth that much and that's what columbus was looking for.

Welcome aboard!

[redwing711 0]

we didn't need anything from the deadline that desperately. before our injuries we were dominating the league, no one was complaining at all. how do u expect the wings to continue at that pace when we are overwhelmed with injuries? HOW?

Agreed.

Besides, isn't it better that we are racked with injuries now than a month from now as we are heading into the playoffs. Even considering all the injuries and that we are on a serious losing streak, we are still in first place in the league. Instead on constantly complaining maybe we should happy that the team played so well prior to the injuries to allow us to remain on top despite the loses.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

The key to the thread title is "according to Melrose". The guy never has anything good to say about Detroit. This is mormal from him.

[esteef 2,679]

The only thing we lost was Hossa, and he cost us big because waiting on him cost us a couple of second line scorers we could've easily picked up. But, getting Stuart was big. I don't hate Melsrose, but he does talk out of his ass sometimes.

Cheers!

esteef

[egroen 384]

I do wonder what crappy, low-ball offer we had for Fedorov that a 3rd round prospect trumped it?

That was my biggest loss right there - that he could have been had for so cheap, and addresses a lot of our needs (and little loss if he did not pan out).

Ruth is a good 3 years away from the NHL (if he ever makes it) and was pretty low on the defensive prospect depth chart for Washington.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

Melrose never knows what he's talking about.

I guess i'm in the minority who think Melrose knows a bit more than we like to think we do. I'd listen to Melrose before i'd listen to anyone on these boards, myself included.

That being said, it is so funny how many drama queens we have around here. Heaven forbid anyone say something bad about the Wings. Look at poor Pierre McGuire, that guy would get lynched if he came around LGW because he doesn't have the wings amongst his top 5 to win it.

Now, if the Wings don't win are those of you (not you in particular Rice) going to come back in here and say, "well, McGuire was right wasn't he, maybe i'm the stupid ass and he isn't"

I doubt it.

I watched the clip. Of all the teams he painted as losers the Wings got the easiest licking from Barry. He just glossed over us and barely said anything about us AND pointed out were were struggling and that had to do with injuries.

And people are taking this so literally, like Barry is saying the organization sucks or we're bottom feeders or something.

Some people around here need to grow a pair and grow some thicker skin already. I'd swear this is the kind of s*** that I think only teenagers get pissy about. oooh, barry doesn't think we hit it big during the trade deadline, i'm so offended. I mean, seriously...

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

I guess i'm in the minority who think Melrose knows a bit more than we like to think we do. I'd listen to Melrose before i'd listen to anyone on these boards, myself included.

That being said, it is so funny how many drama queens we have around here. Heaven forbid anyone say something bad about the Wings. Look at poor Pierre McGuire, that guy would get lynched if he came around LGW because he doesn't have the wings amongst his top 5 to win it.

Now, if the Wings don't win are those of you (not you in particular Rice) going to come back in here and say, "well, McGuire was right wasn't he, maybe i'm the stupid ass and he isn't"

I doubt it.

I watched the clip. Of all the teams he painted as losers the Wings got the easiest licking from Barry. He just glossed over us and barely said anything about us AND pointed out were were struggling and that had to do with injuries.

And people are taking this so literally, like Barry is saying the organization sucks or we're bottom feeders or something.

Some people around here need to grow a pair and grow some thicker skin already. I'd swear this is the kind of s*** that I think only teenagers get pissy about. oooh, barry doesn't think we hit it big during the trade deadline, i'm so offended. I mean, seriously...

I pretty much agree with you. I definitely think some people here look for anything that is a slight affront to the Wings so they can get outraged. And most of the time I think Melrose is pretty entertaining and informative.

I think calling the Wings losers at the trade deadline is a bit much, but I won't lose sleep over it. As for McGuire, that guy is a d-bag in my book, and not because he dare criticize the Wings. At first I thought maybe it was just me, or a particular game, but virtually every Wings game I've heard him call, or be the color guy between the benches, he seems extremely biased against the Wings.

I realize many people think the refs have a conspiracy against the Wings and all hockey analysts hate them, but seriously, this guy has some issue I think. His criticisms of the Wings in the article are pretty spot on, but during games he's intolerable. I've never heard an announcer be so quick to say "ohhh! that was a really soft call!" when the Wings got a power play. He sometimes sounds like a fan of our opponent.

It's a lot of little things like that during games, and the occasional asinine statement like "Howard isn't the answer" that qualify him as a d-bag in my book.

Edited February 27, 2008 by haroldsnepsts

[h2obury 6]

Even though I was annoyed with a lack of a bigger name catch at the deadline, in retrospect, I hate to say it, but Kenny made a pretty good move. I would've happily given up Lebda or Lilja or picks, for Feds, but that aside, it's good that we didn't give up on our future, either. The injury bug is our biggest nemesis right now. We WILL be dominant again.

I am feeling better already. My trade deadline anger is gone

I tend to agree with you I think once the injuries heal we will be a contender again. I see what Ken Holland is doing by building up our prospects and by not trading them away we will leave the door open for bigger and better trades in the near future. So overall I'm happy we got at least Stuart for just picks and didn't lose any of our young guys.

[Pskov Wings Fan 71]

I do wonder what crappy, low-ball offer we had for Fedorov that a 3rd round prospect trumped it?

That was my biggest loss right there - that he could have been had for so cheap, and addresses a lot of our needs (and little loss if he did not pan out).

Ruth is a good 3 years away from the NHL (if he ever makes it) and was pretty low on the defensive prospect depth chart for Washington.

It is possible Columbus did not want to trade him to Detroit regardless. I just don't see Wings unable to beat Capitals offer.

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

I do wonder what crappy, low-ball offer we had for Fedorov that a 3rd round prospect trumped it?

That was my biggest loss right there - that he could have been had for so cheap, and addresses a lot of our needs (and little loss if he did not pan out).

Ruth is a good 3 years away from the NHL (if he ever makes it) and was pretty low on the defensive prospect depth chart for Washington.

As I said in another thread, because he could've been had for so cheap, and because he has a connection to Detroit, the fact that they didn't get him probably means they didn't want him. Someone else had commented (I haven't heard it personally) it's already been said that they didn't get Feds in part because Babcock didn't want him, based on coaching him in Anaheim.

[Guest Crymson]

Melrose: Trade Deadline Losers

I agree 100%.

We added a good player to an already great team and lost nothing. If you think we're a deadline 'loser' because we did not make any huge waves (note that ZERO secondary scoring was moved by anyone), then you're kidding yourself.

Melrose is a douchebag.

[Opie 308]

As I said in another thread, because he could've been had for so cheap, and because he has a connection to Detroit, the fact that they didn't get him probably means they didn't want him. Someone else had commented (I haven't heard it personally) it's already been said that they didn't get Feds in part because Babcock didn't want him, based on coaching him in Anaheim.

It was also said that some players did not want him back, not sure how true.

I think the biggest obstacle was the fact that both teams are in the central division.

[FinWing 26]

As I said in another thread, because he could've been had for so cheap, and because he has a connection to Detroit, the fact that they didn't get him probably means they didn't want him. Someone else had commented (I haven't heard it personally) it's already been said that they didn't get Feds in part because Babcock didn't want him, based on coaching him in Anaheim.

It was also said that some players did not want him back, not sure how true.

I think the biggest obstacle was the fact that both teams are in the central division.

Not to mention the question mark hanging over him after the concussion and he's no spring chicken either.

[Guest Crymson]

I do wonder what crappy, low-ball offer we had for Fedorov that a 3rd round prospect trumped it?

That was my biggest loss right there - that he could have been had for so cheap, and addresses a lot of our needs (and little loss if he did not pan out).

Ruth is a good 3 years away from the NHL (if he ever makes it) and was pretty low on the defensive prospect depth chart for Washington.

There are other factors besides what you're talking about that go into a decision to acquire a player or not acquire a player.

You know what makes the Wings strong. Some of the best qualities of the team, which make it special, are loyalty, cohesion, chemistry, etc. The Wings are a special organization because of how the players are treated, and because of how in turn the players treat the management (staying in town). This sometimes results in longtime players being given contracts that may or may not benefit the team (i.e. Maltby's recent one), but the payoffs of this policy are great. The result is that the Wings are more a family than just a group of players, in many ways. This is also why one very rarely sees players traded outright from the organization; it would destroy said atmosphere. Yes, this makes deadline deals less likely, but it pays off greatly in other ways. It gives you a great team every year. Deal with it.

From what Holland said, the management was unsure of Fedorov's worth to the team. This means that one or more of Nill, Holland, Bowman and Yzerman--all very apt individuals--did not want Fedorov on this team. Further, Babcock almost certainly did not want him either. I trust the judgment of said people. Fedorov may well have been a locker room cancer, and that certainly would not help the team--it'd destroy the current chemistry the team has.

[esteef 2,679]

(note that ZERO secondary scoring was moved by anyone)

Prospal? Dupius? Fedorov? Hossa? the OTHER Hossa? etc...

[sinbin 3]

If management thinks we can win it with these guys, so do I!

......That's why they get paid the big bucks!

[datsyukismyfriend 4]

i'm actually not too disappointed (but i didn't expect much). i wanted a big scoring forward like everbody else, but it just wasn't realistic. but i like stuart. he should give us some grit and size on the back end (which we desperately need) and a tiny bit of skill. and the best part is that he pushes lilja and lebda down the depth chart! and we can probably expect some injuries from glass kronner down the stretch so it's not a bad idea to add some depth to our d. after all, that was basically our undoing last year.

once everybody is healthy it should get interesting. i really hope mccarty makes his comeback and is in good form (probably a pipe dream, i know) cuz if he does he's a huge upgrade to drake (who pretty much does nothing). we're gonna need all the grit we can muster if we expect to beat anaheim this year or even get that far. the wings i think will be in good shape if all are healthy, but they aren't the favorites. i think the ducks are the team to beat.

but stooey's a good pickup.

[OsGOD 3]

Melrose is dead on....

OUt of all the teams that played on the trade deadline day.... 1/2 lost..... we lost, hence we are deadline losers.

that is all...

[Guest Crymson]

Prospal? Dupius? Fedorov? Hossa? the OTHER Hossa? etc...

Prospal, yes.

Dupuis? No. Fedorov? Bad circumstances. Marian Hossa? Incredibly expensive; he's primary scoring, not secondary scoring.

Marcel Hossa? That guy has one goal this season. Sheesh.

[datsyukismyfriend 4]

The Wings lost when they sat on over $5 million in cap space in the off season when a number of helpful players could have been signed without trading any assets. Deadline deals rarely help much.

i agree with this. the wings should have done something last summer.

[Grim 5]

stuart is a great pickup on D. i was waffling between him or Rob Blake... that is until Blakie rescinded waiving his NTC. Blake wouldve cost a fortune in trade.

[esteef 2,679]

Prospal, yes.

Dupuis? No. Fedorov? Bad circumstances. Marian Hossa? Incredibly expensive; he's primary scoring, not secondary scoring.

Marcel Hossa? That guy has one goal this season. Sheesh.

Dupuis No? disagree. Hossa would probably be 2nd line here in Detroit which is why I added him, Feds was still moved. Yeah, I didn't really know too much about the other Hossa puppy, or the other lesser-known forwards that were actually traded (probably a bunch of third liners), but you said "ZERO". I HAD to get you.

If we weren't screwing around with Hossa, we probably would've gotten Prospal. Oh well...

Cheers!

esteef

Edited February 27, 2008 by esteef

[Guest Crymson]

Yeah, I didn't really know too much about the other Hossa puppy, or the other lesser-known forwards that were actually traded (probably a bunch of third liners), but you said "ZERO". I HAD to get you.

If we weren't screing around with Hossa, we probably would've gotten Prospal. Oh well...

Cheers!

esteef

Given Prospal's abilities coupled with the low price Philly paid for him, I'd say that there's more to the trade than meets the eye.

[TheWestWing 71]

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Meldoze among lifes biggest losers - According to TWW!

[2probert4 8]

Melrose never knows what he's talking about.

Melrose is a joke, obviously nobody wants the guy elsewhere, so he's stuck with a network that doesn't cover hockey. I don't pay attention to anything he says ....