is there any respect amongst players these days?

[DenJ91 0]

The original topic was on death threats. That is what I was responding to. In terms of talking on the ice, nothing is off-limits, it's heat of the moment stuff. He obviously isn't going to do that off the ice.

but dude your not thinking about what could have happened if roy got back on the ice. torterella was furious shoving roy back down on the bench. roy didn't get anymore ice time at that point so being that mad, if he had gotten back on the ice he could have done something really really bad.

and even still i think your being insane, death threats should never been ok AND he did the throat swipe twice

[DenJ91 0]

Ah, we posted nearly simultaneously so I didn't see that. Generally, I associate the "player respect" issue more with cheapshotting and less with trash talking. I could care less what players say to each other. That's between them and their consciences.

but that's you, now imagine your 9 year old son watching the game and seeing the throat swipe and reading roy's lips "your f*ing dead, i'm gonna kill you". are you then still not upset?? if they say it on the ice during a faceoff no one see it's, but he did it on the bench in sight of everyone and on tv. no excuse

[ShanahanMan 473]

players seem to have a general lack of respect for other players on ice these days. sticks being flung anywhere they please, cheap shots, boarding is getting pretty bad causing concussions, verbal abuse on and on. from players like tootoo, simon, downie, etc it's getting pretty bad. the days of being a man and challenging the guy to a fight to stick up for a teammate or get your team momentum is fading. sure there is still fighting here and there but it seems like they go over and cross check them in the face, eblow them to the head or sucker them from behind first. some players are only on an nhl team because they are goons not cause of their skill and i say they need to go. i mean stepping on a jarkko ruutu's skate like simon did, downie doing the superman hit to donovan and tootoo pretty much every game is terrible for hockey.

just last night for example andre roy of the lighting was threatening riley cote of the flyers of his life. he literally was shaking cause he wanted to kill cote and was shown saying "you're a dead man, i'm going to kill you" and doing the throat swipe. i see it as a big problem and an issue that can't be resolved just by suspending them for 2 games at a time. it's a joke. there's no place in sports let alone in general where throat swiping should be ok. it's terrible to think young kids are seeing a player do this kinda stuff and a terrible example for the youth of hockey. i'm all for hitting and fighting but the cheap stuff and lack of respect is hurting our game.

at least they're not using steroids.

[DenJ91 0]

at least they're not using steroids.

i know your just making a joke, but i'd rather know a player is on steriods then to see so and so paralyzed on the ice because someone was angry and cross checked another player in the throat or something else.

[SweWings 45]

...is there any respect amonst PEOPLE these days...

Yeah, whatever happened with the duels from the good old gentlemanly days?

[vangvace 12]

but that's you, now imagine your 9 year old son watching the game and seeing the throat swipe and reading roy's lips "your f*ing dead, i'm gonna kill you". are you then still not upset??

Don't watch most pro sports do you or should I say listen? That's more common than your think, although another league did recently ban throat swiping. Are you expecting tea and crumpets or something?

I believe in the old adage of "that's hockey, eh?" at least for verbal and most of the physical stuff.

Edited March 8, 2008 by vangvace

[DenJ91 0]

Don't watch most pro sports do you or should I say listen? That's more common than your think, although another league did recently ban throat swiping. Are you expecting tea and crumpets or something?

I believe in the old adage of "that's hockey, eh?" at least for verbal and most of the physical stuff.

wow, so apparently i'm the odd one out. i'm sorry, i should be happy that players are doing throat swipes, stepping on other players skates with a sharp blade, the bertuzzi incident etc and just say "that's hockey"! my fault. how stupid of me really. tea and crumpets sounds great smart ass.

Edited March 8, 2008 by DenJ91

[jim3033 1]

players seem to have a general lack of respect for other players on ice these days. sticks being flung anywhere they please, cheap shots, boarding is getting pretty bad causing concussions, verbal abuse on and on. from players like tootoo, simon, downie, etc it's getting pretty bad. the days of being a man and challenging the guy to a fight to stick up for a teammate or get your team momentum is fading. sure there is still fighting here and there but it seems like they go over and cross check them in the face, eblow them to the head or sucker them from behind first. some players are only on an nhl team because they are goons not cause of their skill and i say they need to go. i mean stepping on a jarkko ruutu's skate like simon did, downie doing the superman hit to donovan and tootoo pretty much every game is terrible for hockey.

just last night for example andre roy of the lighting was threatening riley cote of the flyers of his life. he literally was shaking cause he wanted to kill cote and was shown saying "you're a dead man, i'm going to kill you" and doing the throat swipe. i see it as a big problem and an issue that can't be resolved just by suspending them for 2 games at a time. it's a joke. there's no place in sports let alone in general where throat swiping should be ok. it's terrible to think young kids are seeing a player do this kinda stuff and a terrible example for the youth of hockey. i'm all for hitting and fighting but the cheap stuff and lack of respect is hurting our game.

That's bad ass! Okay, I agree you shouldn't say that in the NHL. It's an intimidation tactic. Sometimes hockey players have to fight. I say get rid of the instigator rule like others have said. I think throwing some insults is alright sometimes though. Like saying to Corey Perry "Hey your face looks like a foot, want to fight?" If Bertuzzi said he was going to kill me, I might think he was serious though.

[seeinred 1,488]

Ah, we posted nearly simultaneously so I didn't see that. Generally, I associate the "player respect" issue more with cheapshotting and less with trash talking. I could care less what players say to each other. That's between them and their consciences.

People need to realize that these are just words. No matter what you say, words can't actually do anything.

[thedisappearer 291]

... and ban those types of players.

How do you ban a "type" of player? I'm not trying to be a smart-ass, but I'm not sure what you mean? One strike and your out? You get too many PIMs and not enough points, you're out? What?

[thedisappearer 291]

...is there any respect amonst PEOPLE these days...

Not when you hand in your Wings card, ***** up a storm about the club, say you are never coming back, but are still "offering" your insight into everything.

[vangvace 12]

wow, so apparently i'm the odd one out. i'm sorry, i should be happy that players are doing throat swipes, stepping on other players skates with a sharp blade, the bertuzzi incident etc and just say "that's hockey"! my fault. how stupid of me really. tea and crumpets sounds great smart ass.

Did I say one dang thing about Simon or Bertuzzi? Nope didn't think so. But I did call you out and heck yeah I was being smart about it.

You upset because of the language you can't hear (normally) and gestures children can see. Ok no problem. If it's your kid in question then educate and explain why that's bad or don't let them watch. It's not the league's, or tv's for that matter, job to filter what children see. That would be yours.

Tough, debatable. an ass... proud of it.

Edited March 8, 2008 by vangvace

[Guest jaytan]

just last night for example andre roy of the lighting was threatening riley cote of the flyers of his life. he literally was shaking cause he wanted to kill cote and was shown saying "you're a dead man, i'm going to kill you" and doing the throat swipe. i see it as a big problem and an issue that can't be resolved just by suspending them for 2 games at a time....

I don't see how that's so terrible. I highly doubt he had actual intentions of murdering the guy.

[thedisappearer 291]

wow, so apparently i'm the odd one out. i'm sorry, i should be happy that players are doing throat swipes, stepping on other players skates with a sharp blade, the bertuzzi incident etc and just say "that's hockey"! my fault. how stupid of me really. tea and crumpets sounds great smart ass.

Dude, it's not that. It's just that the game has always been violent. There are stories about a certain person who currently has the MVP trophy named after him grabbing the puck when it was put down for a face off (back when the refs actually had to place it on the ice...), dropping his gloves, and asking who wanted to take the puck from him. No one did.

Not saying death threats and threats slices are cool... just saying it's always been the game. Talk what ya wanna talk. Play rough. Just don't cross "that line".

Seriously, are you saying D-Mac premeditated ass-kicking of C-Lemieux was wrong? Sometimes bad s*** happens.

[dallas27 7]

but dude your not thinking about what could have happened if roy got back on the ice. torterella was furious shoving roy back down on the bench. roy didn't get anymore ice time at that point so being that mad, if he had gotten back on the ice he could have done something really really bad.

And if he did something bad enough to the point where he could be criminally charged then they should do it. They probably wouldn't though. Odds are it would be a long suspension and a fine.

and even still i think your being insane, death threats should never been ok AND he did the throat swipe twice

But have you played hockey before? Saying crap about your mom, your sister, your family, or anyone is common. Sticks and stones may break my bones.....but words will never hurt me. It's the heat of the battle, they are going to say stuff without even thinking about it. Trash talking is inevitable in any sport, it really comes with the territory. I'm behind the net so I only hear half of it but my teammates just laugh it off. Let the guy talk sh*t all he wants, it doesn't mean anything.

Edited March 8, 2008 by dallas27

[vangvace 12]

just last night for example andre roy of the lighting was threatening riley cote of the flyers of his life. he literally was shaking cause he wanted to kill cote and was shown saying "you're a dead man, i'm going to kill you" and doing the throat swipe.

You do realize that it didn't really matter what Flyer player it was by that point. He would've gone after any of them. They replayed Cote's KO during a break and the entire Flyers bench started laughing and making fun of Roy and that's why he went bonkers.

[55fan 5,133]

I didn't see the incident in question, so I'm just throwing in a general viewpoint.

I really don't think that when most people say "I'm going to kill you" they actually mean that they are going to murder the person. I know I don't. They usually mean, "I'm mad at you" or I'm going to beat you up". As long as there is that distinction, and everyone involved understands it, there's no problem. It is part of the trash talk that is common in athletics.

Now if a person actually means it, we have a different story, but I would think that if a person meant it, they would probably not announce it on TV; or if they did, they'd reconsider doing it at that time as they would be a likely suspect.

A lot of people are given to hyperbole. My dad always said if we did thus-and-so, we wouldn't be able to sit down for a week. A few minutes, maybe, but never did it end up being an actual week.

When someone says "I'm going to kick your @$$", how often to they actually aim their foot at the person's posterior? Not often. They usually punch the person's face.

But everyone knows what they mean and they react accordingly.

Once upon a time, disputes were settled out back (of where ever) with fists, and the issue was over and done. Now that is not allowed, and it festers until people actually do kill other people. Death threats are taken seriously. My friend broke up with an abusive boyfriend and told him "We're done. You're history, you're toast. I never want to see you again." She spent 2 years in prison, because "You're toast" is a death threat.

Perhaps the players need to tone it down, or perhaps the world needs to realize that they are not seriously going to murder each other. I don't know, but perhaps there is some sort of middle ground, like, maybe "I'm gonna cream you" or "you're gonna get what's coming" or something of that nature which doesn't use the word kill - anihalate, waste, destroy, or mop the floor with you would all work. No one would really think that someone was going to use them as a cleaning accessory. "I'll get you, my Sammy, and your little Dats too!"

We are a more literal society where these things are concerned, and with the rate of actual murder, who can blame us? Over all, though, when it is just words, I tend to think, as someone previously posted, "that's hockey, eh".

Edited March 8, 2008 by 55fan

[#19forPresident! 1]

There are some guys left with respect, but they're all on the IR because they were cheap shotted by the ones without any.

Edited March 8, 2008 by #19forPresident!

[DenJ91 0]

Dude, it's not that. It's just that the game has always been violent. There are stories about a certain person who currently has the MVP trophy named after him grabbing the puck when it was put down for a face off (back when the refs actually had to place it on the ice...), dropping his gloves, and asking who wanted to take the puck from him. No one did.

Not saying death threats and threats slices are cool... just saying it's always been the game. Talk what ya wanna talk. Play rough. Just don't cross "that line".

Seriously, are you saying D-Mac premeditated ass-kicking of C-Lemieux was wrong? Sometimes bad s*** happens.

what does dmac's fight have to do with anything, that was just a fight. ya know what forget it, i guess no one is seeing my side and i don't even care anymore. most of you simply like violence so whatever

and i NEVER said by him saying "i'm gonna kill you" that he actually could kill him, it's the whole thing about keeping that off camera or not for the public to see. i don't think it's the words that i was bothered by it was the throat swipe on tv.

and dallas and vangvace two you can stop assuming that i've never played hockey or watch sports, that's twice you've said something like that. don't play me like an idiot, i'm 27 years old, i've played hockey most of my life. so enough with that, it's invalid. and your comparing what YOU do (who isn't a pro and no one is watching) to the nhl. it's ridiculous. call someone's mom a fat *****, no one cares. do the throat swipe to someone, odds are no one else will see it.

let's just drop the whole topic, it's apparent that some of you aren't getting my point, or just flat out don't mind the dispaly of violence (throat swiping, stepping on skates, bertuzzi, mcsorley stick to brashears head, steve downie, tootoo etc.) shown to young kids watching which i think sends a bad message. it's not that i care about the verbal stuff. i give up anyway, moving on to another topic

Edited March 8, 2008 by DenJ91

[jvxp 0]

players seem to have a general lack of respect for other players on ice these days. sticks being flung anywhere they please, cheap shots, boarding is getting pretty bad causing concussions, verbal abuse on and on. from players like tootoo, simon, downie, etc it's getting pretty bad. the days of being a man and challenging the guy to a fight to stick up for a teammate or get your team momentum is fading. sure there is still fighting here and there but it seems like they go over and cross check them in the face, eblow them to the head or sucker them from behind first. some players are only on an nhl team because they are goons not cause of their skill and i say they need to go. i mean stepping on a jarkko ruutu's skate like simon did, downie doing the superman hit to donovan and tootoo pretty much every game is terrible for hockey.

just last night for example andre roy of the lighting was threatening riley cote of the flyers of his life. he literally was shaking cause he wanted to kill cote and was shown saying "you're a dead man, i'm going to kill you" and doing the throat swipe. i see it as a big problem and an issue that can't be resolved just by suspending them for 2 games at a time. it's a joke. there's no place in sports let alone in general where throat swiping should be ok. it's terrible to think young kids are seeing a player do this kinda stuff and a terrible example for the youth of hockey. i'm all for hitting and fighting but the cheap stuff and lack of respect is hurting our game.

I agree, there is to much cheap stuff. Stuff like Roy should be kicked out of the game for half the season. The league has to send a message and a tuff one!

[wingnut40 176]

Earlier this year when meech got barely any playing time, he got in a pushing match and you could read his lips saying ''ill F$&*ing Kill You"

Meech? No way. That's badass. Of course these guys aren't serious, they're just pissed. They don't seriously mean "I'm going to end your life."

And like 55 said, they may say "Kill you", but it translates as "Beat you up". Just like "Kick your ass" doesn't mean "kick you in the butt with my foot." They should just say that on the ice, not off it. Cheap shots however are a big no no.

Edited March 8, 2008 by wingnut40

[wingslogo19 281]

I love rough hockey, but hate the cheap crap

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

You do realize that it didn't really matter what Flyer player it was by that point. He would've gone after any of them. They replayed Cote's KO during a break and the entire Flyers bench started laughing and making fun of Roy and that's why he went bonkers.

Well, the Flyers organization and their players are about the most classless bunch of asses in the league.

The fact that they KEPT replaying the Cote punch (yes, they did it multiple times) and with each time Downie and a couple other Flyers kept goading and heckling Roy to the point he just lost it.

I have gone cross-eyed a couple of times in my life. Its a level of psycho you really can't understand unless you've been there. I can totally see why Roy went apes*** and although we all think it best to always try to keep your cool. One mustn't forget this was in Philly, they kept replaying it and you've got assholes like Downie sitting a few feet away heckling you afterwards.

I don't think you need to show up an opponent ever. I think the Flyers replay people should have let it go.

[LeftWinger 5,148]

Not when you hand in your Wings card, ***** up a storm about the club, say you are never coming back, but are still "offering" your insight into everything.

...your avatar says it all...

...first of all, I never said I wasn't coming back, I really enjoy reading you guys worship the Wings with all your man love. They can do nothing wrong, OMG they rock! They are the best thing since, well, since the dawn of light...

...this forum would be boring if you didn't have opposing opinions to read. Do you really want to come here and just see a bunch of oooooing and ahhhhing over this team? Just because I post, doesn't mean you have to read it, besides I don't ever remember offering anything, I say what I want to say and then read assinine comments like yours TRYING, I repeat TRYING to belittle me because I don't walk down the same narrow hallway as you walk while wearing the rose colored homer glassess...

...you my friend should hand in your card, because as a TRUE fan, you should be able to see when someone's screwing up or not playing good enough or doesn't deserve to be on this team. BUT NOOOOOO!!! These Wings can do no wrong! They are, OMNIPONTENT!!! Hudler is the second coming! Darren McCarty is gonna solve or toughness AND secondary scoring! He sucks, but it's MAC!!! So we have to win the Cup now!!! OOOOOOOHHHHHH, AAAAAAAHHHHHHH...

[Statts 4]

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=231502&hubname=nhl

Well apparently Roy was suspended by the Lightning for 2 games. I watched the incident on youtube. When you coach physically grabs you and tells you to sit, I think its time to take a few deep breaths and calm down.