Trotz says that Z's goal shouldn't have counted

[Frozen-Man 144]

I think he was being sarcastic in response to my post that people should just move on.

Which by the way, i'm not saying the thread shouldn't have been started or that it should be discussed. All i'm saying is that its funny the level of hypocrisy on this board. Probably all boards for that matter.

Just the level of offense people take to an opposing coach pointing out a questionable non-call is absurd. Especially when you consider that these are the same people who would back Mike Babcock if he said it and the shoe were on the other foot.

I just think things like this are so trivial. We got a favorable call. It is not outside the realm of possibility that the call/non call was a bad one.

But since the call was in our favor there's just no way it could've been a missed call and Trotz is just a whiner and so are all the Preds players. They're the whiners. We would never behave that way. The non call was 100% correct and we know this because we're Wings fans and we're infallible and so are the officials when it comes to giving us breaks. Now of course all of this changes when something doesn't go our way.

But do we take our own advice that we're giving Trotz? Do we call ourselves whiny ******* and forget about it and move on?

Hypocrisy.

Oh, if that is the case then I understand and actually agree. I thought it was a good no call but you can't really tell from the video. Also I never thought that Trotz was whinning about the call but at the time it was scored didn't even realize there was a real controversy till later and I just like all of the drama that goes on with the playoffs.

[Ally6729 0]

Hey guys...Preds fan visitor here. I have to say, I'm impressed that so many of you admit that the call may have been wrong. I'll admit that I don't know if it was or not...in Nashville we didn't have access to an HD feed, so from the replay I saw it was pretty tough to tell. I do think that, offsides or not, normally the linesman should blow the whistle in such a situation. That's what usually happens. It annoys me that it was the game-winning goal, and it annoys me that the linesman tried to tell Suter that the puck didn't even hit him (a blatant lie obviously).

That being said, I'm not THAT mad about it b/c you guys completely outplayed us in every facet of the game and we deserved to lose anyway. We had been playing with fire all night up until that point...it was only a matter of time till we got burned. Your puck possession is phenomenal and your passing is crisp and ours sucks. So, unless we learn to connect some tape-to-tape passes and our number one line starts remotely playing as good as yours, it's gonna be a tough series for Preds fans.

It's just funny to come on here and read all the posts about Trotz whining...Preds fans get mad at him ALL the time b/c he NEVER argues with the refs. We're always wanting him to go ballstic for once in his life...but he just chews his little scorecard and hardly says anything. So it's kinda funny to see other teams' fans getting mad at our coach for doing something that Nashville fans think he never does. I don't even think he was complaining about it...someone asked him about it, and he answered the question. He was advocating for his team, and ANY coach would do the same. Any coach that "just gets over" a call like that isn't a good coach.

[YoungGuns1340 1]

Its not like because the puck hit the linesman and stayed in then its automatically a goal. Somebody couldve still covered Zetterberg. Ellis still couldve made the save.

What about all the times Tootoo left his fit for a hit and didnt get called for charging? Id say Wings fans have a legit concern there, especially considering Kronnic got called for the same kind of hit. Maybe if we had gotten a due powerplay there, we would've scored and put the game out of reach and this wouldnt even be a conversation.

All calls even out in the end. We could say the same thing about the Ducks beating us in Game 5. If they hadnt gotten that bulls*** PP for the "penalty" on Datsyuk, maybe wed be the ones looking for a repeat.

Nashville is going to get their fair share of calls going there way. In the end, every team gets favored, and every team gets screwed. Only thing you can do is break through the bulls*** and win in spite of it. Thats what winners do.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

way to support the fan base there GST. hahahahahahah

I know. I seem to skip to a different beat don't I?

[YoungGuns1340 1]

Hey guys...Preds fan visitor here. I have to say, I'm impressed that so many of you admit that the call may have been wrong. I'll admit that I don't know if it was or not...in Nashville we didn't have access to an HD feed, so from the replay I saw it was pretty tough to tell. I do think that, offsides or not, normally the linesman should blow the whistle in such a situation. That's what usually happens. It annoys me that it was the game-winning goal, and it annoys me that the linesman tried to tell Suter that the puck didn't even hit him (a blatant lie obviously).

That being said, I'm not THAT mad about it b/c you guys completely outplayed us in every facet of the game and we deserved to lose anyway. We had been playing with fire all night up until that point...it was only a matter of time till we got burned. Your puck possession is phenomenal and your passing is crisp and ours sucks. So, unless we learn to connect some tape-to-tape passes and our number one line starts remotely playing as good as yours, it's gonna be a tough series for Preds fans.

It's just funny to come on here and read all the posts about Trotz whining...Preds fans get mad at him ALL the time b/c he NEVER argues with the refs. We're always wanting him to go ballstic for once in his life...but he just chews his little scorecard and hardly says anything. So it's kinda funny to see other teams' fans getting mad at our coach for doing something that Nashville fans think he never does. I don't even think he was complaining about it...someone asked him about it, and he answered the question. He was advocating for his team, and ANY coach would do the same. Any coach that "just gets over" a call like that isn't a good coach.

Good point. But I disagree with that last part. Babcock is very much one of those coaches who DOES "get over" silly plays and moves on. And thats crucial. Any coach that allows his team to dwell on the past shouldnt be coaching. The best thing Trotz can do is not draw any drama towards the locker room and keep his boys focused on the next game. Dwelling on what happened isnt going to change the fact that his team lost. He should point his boys towards Saturday and he should be telling them they have the ability to beat the Wings, by any means necessary.

[GMRwings1983 8,803]

So is there any word on whether the Preds are going to unleash their secret weapon Josh Langfeld against us?

[Earthhuman 8]

Why shouldn't this thread have been started? The thread has been view 2300+ times because the teams are playing a best of seven series and people are interested in what the coaches say and what they think really happened. It was reported by the AP and was on all the sports websites but yeah no one cares about it and it should never be discussed. If you don't want to read it then don't - but if people want to read it and want to post about it why the crap do you care?

Ok.

[Earthhuman 8]

I think he was being sarcastic in response to my post that people should just move on.

I was agreeing with both you, and the preds fan that posted earlier.

[Barrie 900]

'We cleared the puck and it look like it hit the linesman and came back in,' Nashville coach Barry Trotz said. 'I looked at it again on replay and from my judgment, it looked fairly clear. Usually in that situation, the linesmen or the referee blow that to not give an unfair advantage.'"

The best thing for Trotz to say is, "There's nothing we can do about it now, all we can do is beat 'em on Saturday".

[2probert4 8]

Trotz and Nashville have a legitimate argument. It was really hard to tell from any angle if the puck came outside of the zone or not. That being said, the call went the Red Wings way, whether it was right or wrong. It doesn't change the fact that Nashville was outplayed all night, and only managed two or three shots on goal in the third period.

The better team won Game One, regardless of the linesman controversy.

That claim only comes from the Predators camp, I haven't heard anyone else call it a bad goal. I've had on ESPN, XM Home Ice (NHL Network) and Fox Sports.....

[2probert4 8]

"A puck that deflects back into the defending zone off an official

who is in the neutral zone will be off-side (or delayed off-side, as

appropriate)."

thats the official NHL ruling on the matter..... the officials messed up on that one and we got lucky.

The puck never left the zone though......Im sure Bettman told them to agree it was a bad call because its the Golden Child Nashville....

[DaKineMaui 8]

I heard through the grapevine that the umps are gonna blow a few calls tomorrow too.

Tell yer friends. You heard it here first.

[Shaman 713]

this is why Nashville cant win a series, they cant just get over it, that game was yesterday, but they wont forget it and play for today. They wont make it past the first round ever if they dont learn yesterday means nothing if you cant win today.

[GoWings1905 2,694]

That claim only comes from the Predators camp, I haven't heard anyone else call it a bad goal. I've had on ESPN, XM Home Ice (NHL Network) and Fox Sports.....

True, I understand your point. However, there is really no conclusive evidence in the Red Wings favor either. I don't think there is a definitive replay angle that shows the puck clearly staying inside of the blue line.

My whole point was if this happened to the Red Wings, we would all be irate. I understand why Nashville has an argument about the whole play.

Edited April 11, 2008 by GoWings1905

[eva unit zero 271]

True, I understand your point. However, there is really no conclusive evidence in the Red Wings favor either. I don't think there is a definitive replay angle that shows the puck clearly staying inside of the blue line.

My whole point was if this happened to the Red Wings, we would all be irate. I understand why Nashville has an argument about the whole play.

The thing is, there's no conclusive evidence either way. It MIGHT have come out..it might not have. The linesman felt that it didn't.

Ultimately, it's like the goal judge. There's no CONCLUSIVE evidence one way or the other...so we have to accept the call on the ice.

[Ally6729 0]

this is why Nashville cant win a series, they cant just get over it, that game was yesterday, but they wont forget it and play for today. They wont make it past the first round ever if they dont learn yesterday means nothing if you cant win today.

OK, y'all are going a little overboard with this. Maybe I missed something but I haven't heard any mention of the play from Trotz or anyone else today. The comment he made about it was last night right after the game, when a reporter asked him about it. I haven't seen any indication that Trotz or anyone else on the team is still talking about it today. In fact the only quote I can find right now of any player saying anything about it at all is Ellis: "He [the linesman] denied everything. What a beauty. He said he didn't have any contact with it. But it is what is. You can't do anything about it. I think our guys kind of let up because they thought the puck was out (of the Nashville zone), but there are no excuses." What's wrong with that? Doesn't sound like anyone is hung up on it to me.

A reporter asked Trotz the question last night, and he answered it. End of story. What he said wasn't even controversial or contentious enough to be considered "whining" IMO. He gave his opinion on the play. That's what the reporter asked for.

Nashville can't win a series b/c we make stupid defensive decisions, don't shoot enough, lose important faceoffs, don't play physical enough, can't connect more than two passes in a row, and our top players are invisible. "Not being able to get over it" has nothing to do with it.

Edited April 12, 2008 by Ally6729

[SweWings 45]

carefull now!!!! that's Le Professor you're talking about.

of course, nobody else on these boards knows who Wenger is... or are you just mad b/c he let Freddie Ljungberg (spelling?) go to West Ham????

actually I'm not a big fan of Freddie... He's sort of like Forsberg - he can still contribute but all the injury stuff makes it so not worth it. Oh and I'm a Liverpool fan...

[sinbin 3]

Hey... you know what I noticed about the refs......they're human!... It happens!... Next!

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

I heard through the grapevine that the umps are gonna blow a few calls tomorrow too.

Tell yer friends. You heard it here first.

Common sense is a scary thing on this site. Be careful how much you use...

How many times have we complained about inconsistent officiating or questionable calls against the Wings? Quite a lot.

Just because of the questionable nature of the play being in favor of the Wings that lead to a goal of a possible offside and penalty, either of which could have been called, and we're giving Trotz and Ellis crap for questioning the situation? They are supposed to act like angels here and not say anything about it? Give me a break.

If the teams were reversed and it lead to a Predators goal, we'd all be screaming bloody murder for a review and that the referees didn't get it right and that it isn't fair.

The "non-calls" may have been right in the grand scheme of things, but Trotz and the Predators and their fans certainly are well within the boundaries of fairness to question whether it was offside or Zetterberg tripped leading to the goal when both no-calls could have gone either way. It isn't black/white (or clearly definitive at least to me) to where it'd be obvious to say Trotz or Pred fans are acting out of line or being a bunch of whiney babies. There is a grey area and I think it’s perfectly fair to question a call in the grey area.

Refereeing is never going to be perfect. It is going to be inconsistent and questionable pretty much every game, every period. That is a cold hard truth. We can certainly voice displeasure over a made/missed call, lord knows we did to death on the "net" goal against San Jose, but calling out an opposing coach/player/fan for doing the same on something that lead to a goal against them while we might not complain about the call or breath a sigh of relief is very, very hypocritical when there is a grey area involved.

Either everybody can complain about the officiating, or nobody can. No picking and choosing of when people or certainly players/teams/coaches can complain or not or when it is legit/valid to complain when something could go either way. That's hypocritical.

[chrisdetroit 189]

Fair enough. I think it was offside but can't prove it. In the end all i'm saying is that the Preds feel they have a legitimate beef. Who am I to just push it under the rug and tell them to stop bitching about it? There bench was on that side and their players were sitting right on the line so they probably had a better look than the ref who got plunked with the puck and probably didn't even realize it could've been offside.

What gnaws at me about this whole thing is the level of hypocrisy. If the Preds want to ***** let them *****. For starters, we would be no different and anybody who says otherwise is taking homerism to a whole new level. We'd do the same thing.

It's the seemingly endless attempts at justifying the call, calling the Preds whiny *******, etc...that just irks me off.

We got the call in our favor. So what if it was a blown call. It's not like its going to get reversed. Just be happy we got the call and move on. The need that some people have to defend the team's honor, the calls, whatever you want to call it at any cost whenever another team gripes just makes me shake my head. We got the call so let them *****. We don't have to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the refs were right, the Wings are Gods and the Preds are all whiny trolls.

Bottom line is the Preds have a beef. We'd have the same beef if the shoe were on the other foot. Why we need to take such offense to what Trotz said and rail on the Preds so much for complaining about something we ourselves would do just bugs me.

We won. I'm happy.

If they Preds had outplayed us and lost because of this call then they woul have a right to be pissed. If the game was close also.

From the replay it really isn't clear one way or another.

Bottom line, the team that played better won the game. Sure the call helped but they didn't lose because of it. They lost because the Wings dominated the game.

[OsGOD 3]

I am not really one to mock Trotz for being pissed about a call/no-call because i have heard it way overdone on these exact same boards when a call didn't go in our favor.... so I am just not going to give the Ref gods any more reason to spite us.... Game 2 today... time to move away from game one and focus on #2

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

If they Preds had outplayed us and lost because of this call then they woul have a right to be pissed. If the game was close also.

From the replay it really isn't clear one way or another.

Bottom line, the team that played better won the game. Sure the call helped but they didn't lose because of it. They lost because the Wings dominated the game.

You are right that the replays isn't clear, and yes the Wings played a better game overall I think, but they still have a right to be p.o.'ed b/c the game was close.

Doesn't matter if the game was tied, or if the Wings were winning 6-3 at that point. They have every right to be upset. Who knows what could happen in the last 10 minutes or however much time was left when Zetterberg scored. 6-4 then, they could easily make it 6-6 in that amount of time. Hypothetical example of course, but I'm just trying to demonstrate that a team "dominating" a game or the score doesn't really matter to voicing displeasure about a call here.

If that goal didn't happen, there's a good possibility that the empty-net goal doesn't happen, and the game is still 1-1 and going into overtime.

Edited April 12, 2008 by SouthernWingsFan

[chrisdetroit 189]

Good point. But I disagree with that last part. Babcock is very much one of those coaches who DOES "get over" silly plays and moves on. And thats crucial. Any coach that allows his team to dwell on the past shouldnt be coaching. The best thing Trotz can do is not draw any drama towards the locker room and keep his boys focused on the next game. Dwelling on what happened isnt going to change the fact that his team lost. He should point his boys towards Saturday and he should be telling them they have the ability to beat the Wings, by any means necessary.

I can't believe how much this is getting blown out of proportion. Trotz isn't whining about it. He expressed his opinion when asked about it. That's it.

As far as whether or not it was a good call, it is very hard to tell one way or another even with HD replays from multiple angles. Yes, there were other calls that should have gone our way but didn't as there were calls that should have gone the Preds way but didn't. That's the way the game goes. It's hockey. The best part about it is that the better team on Thursday won the game regardless of the calls or non-calls and that's the way it should be.

I am a big Wings fan but I'm not a homer and I don't think that people on here should be critisizing Trotz. He's not out of line in expressing his opinion.

[chrisdetroit 189]

You are right that the replays isn't clear, and yes the Wings played a better game overall I think, but they still have a right to be p.o.'ed b/c the game was close.

Doesn't matter if the game was tied, or if the Wings were winning 6-3 at that point. They have every right to be upset. Who knows what could happen in the last 10 minutes or however much time was left when Zetterberg scored. 6-4 then, they could easily make it 6-6 in that amount of time. Hypothetical example of course, but I'm just trying to demonstrate that a team "dominating" a game or the score doesn't really matter to voicing displeasure about a call here.

If that goal didn't happen, there's a good possibility that the empty-net goal doesn't happen, and the game is still 1-1 and going into overtime.

Sure they can be upset, the Wings would be if they were in the Preds shoes but if the call goes the other way and it goes into OT as you suggested and the Preds win, then that also is an injustice. Nobody knows what might have happened if the call goes the other way. We can all speculate but thats all it is is speculation.

My point is, the call could have gone either way and it may or may not have affected the outcome of the game. In the end the team that played the best won and that is all we can hope for REGARDLESS of who the better team is. I want the better team to win every game regardless of the refs calls or non-calls.

[vangvace 12]

That claim only comes from the Predators camp, I haven't heard anyone else call it a bad goal. I've had on ESPN, XM Home Ice (NHL Network) and Fox Sports.....

Melrose made mention of it being questionable because Z "tripped" a Preds player before getting free. They even showed a close up of the "offense". Too bad without HD it just looked like a blob of nothing.