Did Osgood pick on Drew Sharp in grade school?

[Herr Hockey 0]

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article.../805040584/1053

Yeah sure, Johan has been the MVP of the playoffs, not Ozzie. But he has been spectacular. Sharp always does whatever he can to take away from Osgood's success. It's disgusting.

[Rice 42]

Sharp is an idiot.

Edit: Just read the article and it wasn't too bad. I agree that it's kind of odd that Sharp takes away from Osgood in a sense, but most of what he's saying is accurate. Not the typical Sharp column. I was expecting something like him blaming the team for Osgood's success.

Edited May 4, 2008 by ARice89

[thedisappearer 291]

Doesn't sound like he was hating on Ozzie. He basically said that it's crazy that Ozzie is 6-0 with a 1.52 GAA and still isn't the MVP so far, and since he's not, Sharp is right. I would disagree with Nick being second on the list, but whatever.

[puckloo39 5,686]

I didn't think he was picking on Ozzie at all. He's merely pointing out what most people realize, and that is that Mule and Z (and Nick and Kronner and Helm) have contributed more to the momentum and wins thus far.

Ozzie is getting plenty of credit, not to worry. Hasek cranked out back to back shutouts in the WCFs and won a triple OT in the 2002 finals... and didn't merit even a whisper of mention for Conn Smythe. There were people then saying Dom wasn't a factor at all. Not very bright people, but whatever....If you believe what you read, this team is even better than the 2002 crew. "Just" stopping the puck - as if that's ever easy - may not be enough to garner Ozzie the praise many think is warranted.

Goalies usually don't get the credit they "deserve" in Detroit, because it's more difficult to look like the difference-maker when the team in front of you is so good.

Edited May 4, 2008 by puckloo39

[nkuehnl 0]

An article that praises Osgood's play is "taking away from Osgood's success?"

Osgood isn't the MVP thus far. He's been good, yes, but he's not the MVP. Franzen, Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Lidstrom have all been more integral to this team than Osgood. That doesn't mean Osgood is bad, it means our team is ridiculously awesome right now.

[Herr Hockey 0]

Maybe I misunderstood the article, but the way the title was written just seemed to bother me.

[nkuehnl 0]

Maybe I misunderstood the article, but the way the title was written just seemed to bother me.

I'll agree with you on that. It's a terrible title. He's implying the team is playing good by using a negative statement. That's really poor writing.

[rick zombo 3,739]

Thus far:

1. Franzen

2. Zetterberg

3. Datsyuk

4. Lidstrom

5. Osgood

6. Kronwall

Osgood has been great. But putting him ahead of the guys above him on that list is nothing more than fan-boy love. IMO.

[puckloo39 5,686]

Thus far:

1. Franzen

2. Zetterberg

3. Datsyuk

4. Lidstrom

5. Osgood

6. Kronwall

Osgood has been great. But putting him ahead of the guys above him on that list is nothing more than fan-boy love. IMO.

I would put Kronwall as 5, just for those Vladdy-esque hits in round one... but, yeah. ^^

[dallas27 7]

Like Mickey says; Hasek or Osgood does not have to be the star of this team. Just get the job done. Osgood has been as solid as ever and has made some real, real nice saves.

[VM1138 1,921]

He even complimented Osgood, saying he's flirted with the spectacular when necessary. The article is about how the Wings play so well the goalie doesn't HAVE to face spectacular shots. And that on most teams the MVP is the goalie, but the Wings are so good the goalie is only third best because the Wings are so stacked.

[eva unit zero 271]

I didn't think he was picking on Ozzie at all. He's merely pointing out what most people realize, and that is that Mule and Z (and Nick and Kronner and Helm) have contributed more to the momentum and wins thus far.

Ozzie is getting plenty of credit, not to worry. Hasek cranked out back to back shutouts in the WCFs and won a triple OT in the 2002 finals... and didn't merit even a whisper of mention for Conn Smythe. There were people then saying Dom wasn't a factor at all. Not very bright people, but whatever....If you believe what you read, this team is even better than the 2002 crew. "Just" stopping the puck - as if that's ever easy - may not be enough to garner Ozzie the praise many think is warranted.

I was probably harsher on Dom than anyone else regarding the 2002 Cup run. And I never once said he 'wasn't a factor' like you claim. I stated he was not the PRIMARY factor in that win, and was probably not one of the team's five most valuable players in that run. This, as I have said, was due more to the fact that the team's top players were all playing their best; Lidstrom and Chelios were 1-2 in Norris voting and both played their best of the season during the playoffs. Yzerman, Fedorov, Shanahan, and Hull were amazing. And that said, Hasek got QUITE a lot of mention for the Conn Smythe. Realistically, it was due more to the numbers (OMGZ he has six shutouts!! MVP!!!) and the fact that Osgood's ability has been underappreciated in general (Wings won the Cup in Hasek's first year, so obviously he was the cause right?) than due to realistic merit, as Hasek MIGHT have been the fifth most valuable player in that run.

But to suggest Ozzie is not one of the three most valuable player to the Wings in this run as some have? That's ridiculous. Osgood has been absolutely lights out, and has provided clutch goaltending and key saves when they have been needed. Given the first four games of the postseason, nobody can claim 'Osgood only is winning because a shooter-tutor would be good enough' like you and many others have claimed regarding the 1998 Cup run, despite the FACT that the 98 team was the worst of the three recent Cups in terms of skaters.

[puckloo39 5,686]

I was probably harsher on Dom than anyone else regarding the 2002 Cup run. And I never once said he 'wasn't a factor' like you claim. I stated he was not the PRIMARY factor in that win, and was probably not one of the team's five most valuable players in that run. This, as I have said, was due more to the fact that the team's top players were all playing their best; Lidstrom and Chelios were 1-2 in Norris voting and both played their best of the season during the playoffs. Yzerman, Fedorov, Shanahan, and Hull were amazing. And that said, Hasek got QUITE a lot of mention for the Conn Smythe. **This is not true **

Realistically, it was due more to the numbers (OMGZ he has six shutouts!! MVP!!!) and the fact that Osgood's ability has been underappreciated in general (Wings won the Cup in Hasek's first year, so obviously he was the cause right?) than due to realistic merit, as Hasek MIGHT have been the fifth most valuable player in that run.

But to suggest Ozzie is not one of the three most valuable player to the Wings in this run as some have? That's ridiculous. Osgood has been absolutely lights out, and has provided clutch goaltending and key saves when they have been needed. Given the first four games of the postseason, nobody can claim 'Osgood only is winning because a shooter-tutor would be good enough' like you and many others have claimed regarding the 1998 Cup run, despite the FACT that the 98 team was the worst of the three recent Cups in terms of skaters.

Where in the world are you getting some of these quotes/opinions you are attributing to me, pray tell?

You might not want to give yourself so much credit as to believe I actually was speaking directly to you. And you might want to be a little more careful about pointing at me and making up things I've never EVER said. I might be an easy target in your little world (because I DO still support Hasek OMG!!1!!!!!!), but please stop inventing things and attributing them to me, because it's convenient to your "argument."

Stop now.

Ozzie's been good this season on a team that is better than most. As for Hasek, he's virtually disappeared at this point, so that ought to be enough to content most posters here.

[Nev 1,085]

Drew Sharpe has written 4 consecutive positive articles about the Wings - I don't know what's gotten into him, I don't think he's written a sum total of 4 positive articles before in his entire career! Even the 02 run, the only article I can remember was after we won the cup and it was "They won't be able to keep this team together".

And for all Franzen's goals, Datsyuk is still my MVP for his all-around play.

[DaKineMaui 8]

Sweet! A goalkeep thread!

I'll be right back.

Nah - Osgood has made himself into my least hated Red Wings goaltender at this point. Sorry - that's the highest praise I can give a goaler.

[betterREDthandead 58]

Lemme tell ya something. Everyone picked on Drew Sharp in elementary school. It's why he's filled with bitter rage toward everyone on God's green earth.....sadly, the Freep continues to give him an outlet for his mindlessness.

[Frozen-Man 144]

Like Mickey says; Hasek or Osgood does not have to be the star of this team. Just get the job done. Osgood has been as solid as ever and has made some real, real nice saves.

I agree with that but I don't think that our goalies get enough credit for having to go long stretches without even having to block a shot and then are called on to make one or two spectacular plays. I think that there are a lot of great goalies that would have problems doing that. I think guys like Kipper or Luongo might have a hard time being taken out of the game for such long stretches of time. Therefore, I think it is the fact that Ozzy doesn't have to be the "star" but can basically not play for 4 or 5 minutes and not lose his focus and be there for the one or two shots that we really need him.

[dallas27 7]

I agree with that but I don't think that our goalies get enough credit for having to go long stretches without even having to block a shot and then are called on to make one or two spectacular plays. I think that there are a lot of great goalies that would have problems doing that. I think guys like Kipper or Luongo might have a hard time being taken out of the game for such long stretches of time. Therefore, I think it is the fact that Ozzy doesn't have to be the "star" but can basically not play for 4 or 5 minutes and not lose his focus and be there for the one or two shots that we really need him.

Totally agree. Goalie myself and I have played on a few teams where I had similiar situations. Takes a lot of mental toughness to stay focused and in the game when you are seeing a shot every 3-4 minutes. Osgood has made many point blank one timer saves in the slot, especially last series, that were amazing given the above situation.

[Majsheppard 203]

No, but everyone else did.

That is why he wins the most negitive sports writer of the year award 379 years running.

[gcom007 1,465]

Generally Sharp's an idiot and just likes to ruffle feathers. However, I don't really disagree with anything he's said here. I can understand that people might observe a tone whether intentional or not that's somewhat aimed at ruffling feathers and continuing to be controversial on a subject that lends itself to that though. But eh, who cares? It's Drew Sharp. The Pistons were supposed to get swept by the Sixers, the Tigers will finish below .500 and the Wings won't make it to the Cup because we would never be so lucky to face Montreal. I mean, Tigers are still up in the air, but you get the point. And he's not as stupid as most think...he knows damn well what he's doing when he makes his idiotic comments. It's good radio and good for the papers. Gotta love controversy...?

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

Sweet! A goalkeep thread!

I'll be right back.

Nah - Osgood has made himself into my least hated Red Wings goaltender at this point. Sorry - that's the highest praise I can give a goaler.

Mind if I borrow some of that rope?

[OsGOD 3]

Sharp is bitter because Jozay tay-door let him down

[MississippiWing 14]

I think Ozzie has been amazing don't get me wrong, but Mule is obviously MVP at this point to me. Ozzie has been crazy good, but at times when he has let a few goals go by, Franzen has been able to slap a few in to erase that issue.

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

He clearly didn't pick on Ansar Kahn.

http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/20...ects_red_w.html

[interminded 1]

I'm considered somewhat of an Ozzie-fan, but I didn't find the article negative.

Ozzie hasn't stolen a game (although the Liles stop with 8 seconds to go was a very crucial one..), but he didn't had too. Detroit was better in every single game.

Ozzie brought some confidence with him and that reflected on everyone on the ice I guess.

he was a steady presence in goal.

And I'm sure, if he needs to steal a game, he'll steal one !

Of course Franzen is the MVP, he scored 9 goals in 4 games... duh..