beers!

[jollymania 162]

Bell's Hop Slam is a K-zoo local, isn't it?

of course it is, and KBS is a GR local, gotta go for the locals over the macro "meh" of SA or Miller or Bud

[IrishWing19 6]

guiness is one step below water in wateriness

In America (and most places outside Ireland), yes, the Guiness is awful. In Ireland, it's like having a small meal, nothing like water.

[Hockeytown0001 7,652]

In America (and most places outside Ireland), yes, the Guiness is awful. In Ireland, it's like having a small meal, nothing like water.

How is it different?

[Kira 451]

Yzerfan, I thought I was the only person who knew about Moose Drool. Stuff is awesome. Also good is Thunder Hole Ale from Bar Harbor, Maine.

I like the way Monty Python said it..."Drinking American beer is like making love in a canoe. It's F**ing close to water."

[Guest CaliWingsNut]

How is it different?

Many beers are different in the US than abroad (or even next door).

Number one being corn is cheaper here than rice or wheat (thanks government! sigh...).

Europeans also (since their country has been around longer) don't mind grandfathering in older practices (traditions) that American's decided were wrong and disgusting (like naturally forming yeasts!).

Lastly, (I maybe wrong on this point today) Prohibition put in regulations on what a commercially produced beer is. Large scale productions (at least used to) conform to some basic guidelines like alcohol content (can't make moonshine and call it beer, sorry). You'll notice most high alcohol beers are not large scale produced. Most are made by small companies or brew pubs. American Molson XXX (at least used to) contain less alcohol than it's Canadian version due to classification rules.

[jollymania 162]

Yzerfan, I thought I was the only person who knew about Moose Drool. Stuff is awesome. Also good is Thunder Hole Ale from Bar Harbor, Maine.

I like the way Monty Python said it..."Drinking American beer is like making love in a canoe. It's F**ing close to water."

american beer is nothing liek water, I would say american crap beers and english mild cask ales are the wateriest beers.

Many beers are different in the US than abroad (or even next door).

Number one being corn is cheaper here than rice or wheat (thanks government! sigh...).

Europeans also (since their country has been around longer) don't mind grandfathering in older practices (traditions) that American's decided were wrong and disgusting (like naturally forming yeasts!).

Lastly, (I maybe wrong on this point today) Prohibition put in regulations on what a commercially produced beer is. Large scale productions (at least used to) conform to some basic guidelines like alcohol content (can't make moonshine and call it beer, sorry). You'll notice most high alcohol beers are not large scale produced. Most are made by small companies or brew pubs. American Molson XXX (at least used to) contain less alcohol than it's Canadian version due to classification rules.

you do realize that the boundaries in brewing are far more extreme in the US than abroad? In Germany and England most brewers are afraid to go outside fo the box, Belgian is the only county for beer that competes with america in extremity, and im not talking about the meek, green bottled skunk master stella artois which is nothing more than an american style lager without the corn.

Edited August 2, 2010 by jollymania

[Hockeytown0001 7,652]

american beer is nothing liek water, I would say american crap beers and english mild cask ales are the wateriest beers.

It depends on what beers they are. Budweiser, Miller, ect for example, are two of the largest and best known American beer companies - and both their flagship products have a D- rating on beeradvocate.com. That isn't real beer IMO.

However, an American beer like Samuel Adams, which was the first American beer to be served in beer heaven itself aka Germany where it has won numerous awards, is a different story. If the Germans like it, then it's beer. However, they wouldn't be caught dead drinking Bud or Miller.

Edited August 2, 2010 by Hockeytown0001

[jollymania 162]

In America (and most places outside Ireland), yes, the Guiness is awful. In Ireland, it's like having a small meal, nothing like water.

im gonna have to see for myself one day, but I have had the 250th anniversary and also found it to be water. Irish dry stouts in general taste like water, Murphy's, Beamish, ect, none of them are spared.

It depends on what beers they are. Budweiser, Miller, ect for example, are two of the largest and best known American beer companies - and both their flagship products have a D- rating on beeradvocate.com. That isn't real beer IMO.

However, an American beer like Samuel Adams, which was the first American beer to be served in beer heaven itself aka Germany where it has won numerous awards, is a different story. If the Germans like it, then it's beer. However, they wouldn't be caught dead drinking Bud or Miller.

this year samueal adams passed into being a macro brewery, their beers are generally pretty solid, but they don't hold a candle to some craft produces lagers and also German lagers. They also sell miller and bud in Germany. It is all about who is biggest. Goose Island, Sam Adams, Dogfish Head, all are bigger, more well known craft companies, and they also are the only ones in europe along with a few others.

[Hockeytown0001 7,652]

im gonna have to see for myself one day, but I have had the 250th anniversary and also found it to be water. Irish dry stouts in general taste like water, Murphy's, Beamish, ect, none of them are spared.

this year samueal adams passed into being a macro brewery, their beers are generally pretty solid, but they don't hold a candle to some craft produces lagers and also German lagers. They also sell miller and bud in Germany. It is all about who is biggest. Goose Island, Sam Adams, Dogfish Head, all are bigger, more well known craft companies, and they also are the only ones in europe along with a few others.

I can't imagine many Germans drink Bud or Miller, however.

[miller76 463]

The culprit was Michelob Ultra to night. I had five o r six before I ate, which was wonderful. Not usually a Michelob drinver, but it was a nicechange. Finally eating now.

Mondays is officiallly trash day, causer I am trashed.

[Hockeytown0001 7,652]

Samuel Adams Light is tonight's culprit, as you'd say.

[jollymania 162]

I can't imagine many Germans drink Bud or Miller, however.

germans drink whatever the local beverage is generally, there are very few "nationwide" German beers in comparison to the amount of beers produced. I think sam adams and miller just serve a purpose for tourists.

[Datsasuk 2]

If I'm looking to not spend too much money and get a good beer, I'd say I would usually buy Yuengling, although I hear it's not really available many places other than PA (where it's made) and the surrounding states.

Other Ones I've tried and recommend:

Flying Dog's Road Dog-it's a good porter

Corona is nice for summer, especially while hanging out outside

Hebrew Genesis Ale-Light Brown Ale

Most Sam Adams-my favorite being Oktoberfest

Railbender

Dogfish Head 60 min IPA

[Hockeytown0001 7,652]

If I'm looking to not spend too much money and get a good beer, I'd say I would usually buy Yuengling, although I hear it's not really available many places other than PA (where it's made) and the surrounding states.

Other Ones I've tried and recommend:

Flying Dog's Road Dog-it's a good porter

Corona is nice for summer, especially while hanging out outside

Hebrew Genesis Ale-Light Brown Ale

Most Sam Adams-my favorite being Oktoberfest

Railbender

Dogfish Head 60 min IPA

Can't wait for this one to come out.

[jollymania 162]

Can't wait for this one to come out.

last year my friends had a tasting (maybe 20 ppl) and it got the lowest ratings, really good ones : Paulaner, HAcker-Pschorr, Spaten, Erdinger (not exaclty an oktoberfest), Ayinger, Great Lakes, Becks, and Warsteiner all were rated highly. Bad ones: left hand, sa, berghoff

and leine's don't go near that, 1ve tried about 25 different oktoberfest beers, planning another 10 or so this year too, good style if done right.

[Hockeytown0001 7,652]

Obviously your friend suffers from a lack of appreciation for hops in beer.

[miller76 463]

off for the weekend. Going out in a little bit.

I think its going to be a Heineken night tonight.

[jollymania 162]

Obviously your friend suffers from a lack of appreciation for hops in beer.

the SA oktoberfest is not hoppy at all to me, I am someone who can drink one of those maltless west-coast ipas like water.

Most of what i was getting as feedback was cooked veggies for it as a complaint. None of the Oktoberfest beers are hoppy, I almost forgot as well my favorite Maerzen brew: Steigl Goldbrau

off for the weekend. Going out in a little bit.

I think its going to be a Heineken night tonight.

hopefully from a can

[Hockeytown0001 7,652]

Sam Adams Boston Lager goes pretty well with California Pizza Kitchen.

[BlakChamber 8]

Obviously your friend suffers from a lack of appreciation for hops in beer.

The Sam Adams Octoberfest uses the same hops as the Boston Lager, although they probably use a smaller amount. Oktoberfest beers should only have between 20 - 28 IBUs. I believe the SA Octoberfest does do a late hop addition which would make them a little more bitter than a typical Octoberfest, but they're nothing that a person would consider too hoppy, even for a BMC drinker.

For comparison, Dog Fish Head's 60 min IPA is around 60 IBUs. SNPA has 37 IBUs, Boston Lager would be around 35. The SNPA has much more of the hop flavor (IMO) because of the Cascades they use.

[miller76 463]

hopefully from a can

I like how your opinion on what we are drinking seems to always have this negativity attached to it.

Your being a buzz kill.

Edited August 7, 2010 by miller76

[jollymania 162]

I like how your opinion on what we are drinking seems to always have this negativity attached to it.

Your being a buzz kill.

for heineken bottle = skunked can = not skunked, i'm assuming you were drinking from bottle

[Hockeytown0001 7,652]

All of Sam Adams bottles are brown to prevent skunked beer.

[jollymania 162]

All of Sam Adams bottles are brown to prevent skunked beer.

any brewery that puts their beer into brown bottles or cans does it to prevent skunking, some belgian brewers use the green bottles for show such as Saison DuPont never buy a green bottle saison dupont, always go for the brown one, it is night and day. Same with becks, heineken is such a poor beer as it is that the can doesn't really save it. Other belgian beers such as the lambics don't really need a brown bottle because they are naturally funky.

[jollymania 162]

new lists on beer advocate

http://beeradvocate.com/lists/top

top 100 worst beers of all time:

http://beeradvocate.com/lists/bottom

note: this is about readily available beers, the beers have to have at least 1000 reviews for the top 100 and at least 100 reviews for the bottom

Edited August 9, 2010 by jollymania