csf2007 0 Report post Posted May 24, 2008 I found a very good article on how the Red Wings and Penguins have built through the NHL Draft which has put many of the main pieces into place for getting both teams to the Finals this year. Red Wings & Penguins - NHL Draft Picks & success Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cern 0 Report post Posted May 24, 2008 I'd still say the Wings have done better on the draft than the Pens have. Any team can be a dud for years on end and be doled out top prospects. The Wings are the ones finding the diamonds in the rough. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
csf2007 0 Report post Posted May 24, 2008 Agreed. The Wings have been finding picks much lower (Datsyuk & Zetterberg are two great examples) while Pittsburgh picked 4 straight years in the top 5. That having been said, the Pens didn't screw those top picks up - they deserve credit for doing their jobs I guess! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chaldean 0 Report post Posted May 24, 2008 This is a joke right? Give any team the number one or two picks every year and they'll draft great players too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
#19=Legend 29 Report post Posted May 24, 2008 Pittsburgh had many rough years starting in the late 1990’s that lead through until the NHL lockout in 2005. Unlike the Wings, the Penguins' disastrous years qualified them for very high draft picks; many of which have all worked out very well. So why does this make them a draft day guru? lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SweWings 45 Report post Posted May 24, 2008 How difficult is it to pick and develop guys like Crosby, Malkin and Fleury? They are amazing players but no credit should go to the organization - it doesn't take skill to suck... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shoe 165 Report post Posted May 24, 2008 The drafts have been so obvious too, they ( the pens) didnt even need scouts all they had to do is look at what central scouting had to say or just turn on the TV and listen to Pierre Mcguire . Duh I wonder who we will take with our first overall pick? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aflac9262 211 Report post Posted May 24, 2008 (edited) This article is a complete joke. They may want to believe Pittsburgh is draft day gurus, but they aren't. If you take away their high gimmie picks - you know, take away Crosby and Malkin. Lets see how that Pittsburgh team does then. Of course, you give them credit for selecting the players - but I don't think it required much thought... Edited May 24, 2008 by aflac9262 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Manoir 70 Report post Posted May 24, 2008 I could have used you guys in the thread entitled, "Penguins Franchise deserves no credit." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marcaractac 3,963 Report post Posted May 24, 2008 Agreed. The Wings have been finding picks much lower (Datsyuk & Zetterberg are two great examples) while Pittsburgh picked 4 straight years in the top 5. That having been said, the Pens didn't screw those top picks up - they deserve credit for doing their jobs I guess! Please...... A 10 year old would have known to draft Crosby, Malkin and Staal in the oreders they went in. Thats a no brainer. Leafs wouldn't have messed that one up. If they never drafted Fleury, they still could have gotten a #1 through free agency. Many teams have done it before. Hell, they may have even gotten past the first round last year with better goaltending... I give them credit for players like Talbot that they drafted later. But face it, the Wings have OWNED the Pens when it comes to drafting. Our stars have come to us by great scouting in the later rounds of the draft, whereas Crosby and Malkin were given to the Pens cause they sucked for so long (no offense). There is no comparison between the two IMO. I'd say Anaheim has done better at the draft table than the Pens, getting players like Perry (puke) and Getzlaf. They weren't near as obvious draft choices as Crosby and Malkin. IMO, Shero is not a very good GM. Nobody in the right mind would have given up what they did for Hossa as a rental when they already had a shot at the finals as it was.... Steal for the Thrashers!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Datsyerberger 279 Report post Posted May 24, 2008 I could have used you guys in the thread entitled, "Penguins Franchise deserves no credit." While I agree with the general sentiment here that the comparison of Pittsburgh drafting no brainer first rounders/first picks like Sid and Geno doesn't compare to the genius of the talent Detroit has landed with high round picks, I also don't think the Pens don't deserve any credit. They did a good job of trading up to land Fleury, and besides that have also brought in some good players from outside, including some of those that have performed crappily at other places, but seem to fit in well with the Pens game (like Gill). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
superstarsingh 23 Report post Posted May 24, 2008 A person without a brain would have been able to assemble a solid team given the amount of high picks the Pens have had over the past five years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NHLrules? 32 Report post Posted May 24, 2008 WTF? Duumbest article ever. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reds4Life 51 Report post Posted May 24, 2008 (edited) Don't kid yourself, Penguins sucked so bad for so long they were rewarded for it (crazy). Any team would be good thanks to those draft picks. And Crosby lottery was totally fair, every team had a chance Edited May 24, 2008 by Reds4Life Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Millertime 0 Report post Posted May 24, 2008 This is a joke right? Give any team the number one or two picks every year and they'll draft great players too. Ever hear of a guy named Matt Millen? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SouthernWingsFan 854 Report post Posted May 24, 2008 (edited) Agreed. The Wings have been finding picks much lower (Datsyuk & Zetterberg are two great examples) while Pittsburgh picked 4 straight years in the top 5. That having been said, the Pens didn't screw those top picks up - they deserve credit for doing their jobs I guess! No lie. I understand what you all are saying, but seriously what do you expect Penguins management to do? If the Red Wings organization was in that exact same situation, I can betcha they'd probably do the same thing and Red Wings fans would be humping Crosby's and Malkin's legs for being on the Wings team. Penguins Management: "Let's just not pick these two guys and continue to be terrible so we can move out of Pittsburgh!" Doesn't sound to smart to me... (yes, extreme sarcasm on me part there) They deserve their fair credit for drafting right, even if it wasn't "as good" as Detroit, and even still top draft picks can be busts in the long run. Crosby and Malkin had to back up their high draft pick statuses on the ice. And thankfully for Penguins management, they did. Red Wings fans, be thankful that we have a scout team that is damned good and finds talent that might not be as well known, but don't chastise other organizations for doing the right things, and fair things completely within the rules, for improving their organizations as well. Edited May 24, 2008 by SouthernWingsFan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Xitium 272 Report post Posted May 24, 2008 (edited) Don't kid yourself, Penguins sucked so bad for so long they were rewarded for it (crazy). Not crazy. Its the Quebec/Colorado blueprint, and you see where they are now.... Edited May 24, 2008 by Xitium Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted May 24, 2008 I understand what you all are saying, but seriously what do you expect Penguins management to do? Not get credit for being draft day gurus. No one here has a problem with the Pens' management -- just with this talk of them being amazingly sharp for drafting the likes of Crosby and Malkin. It's like calling someone with a failing heart a genius for getting a heart transplant. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Casey 145 Report post Posted May 24, 2008 Draft day gurus? How this stat? Of the 15 players on the Red Wings roster that they drafted, 8 of those were from pick #100 or worse. In the list? Holmstrom (257th), Datsyuk (171st), Zetterberg (210th), Helm (132nd), Quincey (132nd), Ritola (103rd), Meech, (229th) and Ericsson (291st). Sitting after 90th pick are Franzen (97th), Filppula (95th). Average draft position for the Wings is 129.1. For Pittsburgh, their lowest pick is Talbot at 215th. Average draft position for the Penguins is 61.2. I'd say the Red Wings are definitely gurus of the low draft, while Pittsburgh has had a very long run of very high picks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
