Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted July 1, 2008 Hossa wants to go to Motown, Motown has no room. Pretty much inevitable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Packer487 3 Report post Posted July 1, 2008 We've got about $10-12M left for this coming season. With Fil, Ericsson, Jimmy, and a few minor spots left to fill. Absorbing Hossa long-term would be very easy for this year. Next year would be problematic. It's times like this that I really wish the NHL cap was more like the NFL's. It'd be really nice to front-load the hell out of a deal and take the cap hit this year (like Green Bay did with Woodson). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dallas27 7 Report post Posted July 1, 2008 Why? Hossa would be nice, but maintaining our league-best defense is critical to repeating. As long as Lidstrom and Ralfaski are healthy you don't have to worry about the Wings dropping out of the league best defense spot. Hossa is a game breaker. I'm biased as he has been my favorite player for many, many years but give me the option of taking Hossa or any other free agent out there and I take Hossa. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kylee 727 Report post Posted July 1, 2008 i dunnnooo is losing Flip worth it, in terms of getting Hossa? as much as i lovee Val, it IS worth it... interesting stuff. but i can only give up Flip if Hossa is a multi year thing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted July 1, 2008 How problematic? Is it doable? Or is this a complete pipe dream? Because for Hossa, I'd obviously not mind losing one of Fil, Huds, or Franzen to make room. Hell, maybe two of the three, to be honest, if we could get nice picks in return. Lose Filppula this year, Franzen the next and it can most likely get done. May need to lose Hudler as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
norrisnick 1 Report post Posted July 1, 2008 Not that I fully believe it but this makes me even more mad about the Stuart signing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted July 1, 2008 Hossa wants to go to Motown, Motown has no room. Pretty much inevitable. I think it would be feasible only if Detriot signed Hossa to no more than 7M, then only signed Filppula to a 1 year contract, and then decided to cut one of Franzen or Filppula lose next year. If you figure Franzen and Flip were each going to tag at least 2.5M next year, it only becomes a 4.5M difference. But then I haven't crunched any numbers, dont know if the cap would actually reach 62M next year, and highly doubt Holland would put him self in a position to lose one of Flip or Franzen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kylee 727 Report post Posted July 1, 2008 if the Wings need to (eventually) let go of Filppula, Hudler,and Franzen for Hossa i dont knoww if Hossa is worth that... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Legendary D In 03 50 Report post Posted July 1, 2008 Lose Filppula this year, Franzen the next and it can most likely get done. May need to lose Hudler as well. It seems to me as though if Marian had a cap hit of 7m here, we could still afford Flip for at least most of this season, if not all of it, and possibly deal him after next year perhaps on draft day for some high picks? Word, LDi03 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted July 1, 2008 Without Filppula signed, the Wings currently have $11.43 million left. There's about $1 million in possible bonuses that need to be accounted for, as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest EZBAKETHAGANGSTA Report post Posted July 1, 2008 It seems to me as though if Marian had a cap hit of 7m here, we could still afford Flip for at least most of this season, if not all of it, and possibly deal him after next year perhaps on draft day for some high picks? Word, LDi03 I would be fine with that. I also wish contracts could be more like the nfl. Give him a huge first year cap hit than next year at 5 mill would be ideal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Redwingsfan18 1 Report post Posted July 1, 2008 I'd rather have Hossa then Flipper. However I hope we don't go throwing money at Hossa either - he didn't exactly play stellar in the finals. Great offensive threat but it doesn't mean it'll work. I'd rather worry about keeping Franzen and Zets Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wings_Dynasty 267 Report post Posted July 1, 2008 if the Wings need to (eventually) let go of Filppula, Hudler,and Franzen for Hossa i dont knoww if Hossa is worth that... Franzen > Flip or Rex Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
norrisnick 1 Report post Posted July 1, 2008 Not because I'm too lazy to do this, but because I know you will be able to give me an answer quickly: How problematic? Is it doable? Or is this a complete pipe dream? Because for Hossa, I'd obviously not mind losing one of Fil, Huds, or Franzen to make room. Hell, maybe two of the three, to be honest, if we could get nice picks in return. Word, LDi03 Very. It would have been tricky as hell without Stuart. It involved careful planning and timed signing for contracts (namely Z's extension) to avoid running into tagging room problems and Fil, Franzen, and Hudler re-signing for a combined $8-9M. Doable, but a logistic nightmare. With Stuart, salary would have to be traded away. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reilly 24 Report post Posted July 1, 2008 Without Filppula signed, the Wings currently have $11.43 million left. ...and Zetterberg for next year, Which makes it, really, around 5 or 6 million to sign Filppula and whoever else this offseason as Z will get about 5 million more next year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
norrisnick 1 Report post Posted July 1, 2008 Lose Filppula this year, Franzen the next and it can most likely get done. May need to lose Hudler as well. Or Holmstrom, Draper, Maltby, Lilja, Samuelsson, etc... You don't cut the good players to get cap room. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted July 1, 2008 It seems to me as though if Marian had a cap hit of 7m here, we could still afford Flip for at least most of this season, if not all of it, and possibly deal him after next year perhaps on draft day for some high picks? Yes, though that would not be in Holland's MO -- being classy and all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hank 0 Report post Posted July 1, 2008 who else am i supposed to go to for hard hitting comedic hockey rumors Excellent question. I just had an interesting conversation with my dog's ass and he says Ovechkin wants to play in the Chinese Super League. I believe his butt has as much credibility. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VM1138 1,921 Report post Posted July 1, 2008 Yes, though that would not be in Holland's MO -- being classy and all. Right. We're looking for a short-term deal, so no Hossa. Sundin and Rolston are the best big name options out there, with Bertuzzi being the most likely candidate, whether we like it or not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted July 1, 2008 I think it would be feasible only if Detriot signed Hossa to no more than 7M, then only signed Filppula to a 1 year contract, and then decided to cut one of Franzen or Filppula lose next year. If you figure Franzen and Flip were each going to tag at least 2.5M next year, it only becomes a 4.5M difference. But then I haven't crunched any numbers, dont know if the cap would actually reach 62M next year, and highly doubt Holland would put him self in a position to lose one of Flip or Franzen. Axing Flip is, I think, a bare-minimum necessity. As much as I like him, my heart wouldn't exactly break, especially since some jackass is almost inevitably going to hike him up to something in the neighborhood of 4. But Kenny...Kenny would be inconsolable, maybe even suicidal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted July 1, 2008 (edited) ...and Zetterberg for next year, Which makes it, really, around 5 or 6 million to sign Filppula and whoever else this offseason as Z will get about 5 million more next year. I was strictly talking this season....meaning a one year deal to any big UFA offensive signing. Z's impending contract (and Franzens for that matter) have nothing to do with it. Edited July 1, 2008 by Never Forget Mac #25 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
betterREDthandead 58 Report post Posted July 1, 2008 It seems to me as though if Marian had a cap hit of 7m here, we could still afford Flip for at least most of this season, if not all of it, and possibly deal him after next year perhaps on draft day for some high picks? Word, LDi03 Assuming you can trade someone for draft picks is asking for a sixth rounder in return. It's not a good way to do business. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wings_Dynasty 267 Report post Posted July 1, 2008 Or Holmstrom, Draper, Maltby, Lilja, Samuelsson, etc... You don't cut the good players to get cap room. Fixed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted July 1, 2008 There's about $1 million in possible bonuses that need to be accounted for, as well. For who? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest EZBAKETHAGANGSTA Report post Posted July 1, 2008 Assuming you can trade someone for draft picks is asking for a sixth rounder in return. It's not a good way to do business. Alex tanguay garnered a first round pick. Filp couldve fetched at least a third right now and with a good season this year a 1st or second. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
