uk_redwing 495 Report post Posted October 17, 2008 Hudler is a midget and he sucks. Bring back Downey. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Secret 304 Report post Posted October 17, 2008 Haha, good to know. Well I think Hossa's problem is that he is gripping the stick to tightly. He just needs to loosen up and shoot the puck more. With more importance on that last part. Shoot the puck! That is what has made you a big name player. Shoot...The...Puck! I agree with you! I don't think he looks bad but I feel there is a lot more to come. He isn't the only one getting off to a slow start. Hossa, dats and Z all need to quite the fancy stuff, maybe make one less pass and lean into a few good shots on net. It's coming... we seem to go through this every year in stretches.... SHOOT THE PUCK! To me so far the players really coming along are Holmer, Franzen, cleary and Filpula finally. Our 4th line is invisible. The gell isn't there quite yet but it won't be long. We are too well coached to stay stagnant for too long! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ilmickeyli 40 Report post Posted October 17, 2008 I have seen him standing around there quite a bit.. And it seems most shifts he is off the ice very, very quickly.. It seems almost minutes before Pavs gets off. There are other times that I have seen some light from him, though Overall, I've been very underwhelmed Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slave 31 Report post Posted October 17, 2008 aye, way too soon for this thread, but the more i think about it, the more i think they should have the ZDH line together, Hossa would still flourish on a 2nd line with players like franzen/hudler/flip/cleary or whoever else they put in that spot Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rick zombo 3,739 Report post Posted October 17, 2008 Now you're just being naive :/ Yes, I'm totally whacko to suggest that Hossa will score 40 goals this year. Who's the one being naive? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dallas27 7 Report post Posted October 17, 2008 Hossa just needs to net a couple, after that, when it rains it pours. Hossa can drop a hat trick on any team as he has proven to the Red Wings and many other teams. He is passing a little too much though. Last night when he tried to sneak a pass to homer in front of the net on the pp was brutal. He one times that and it hits the back of the net before Luongo even knows it. I don't think "butterflies" escape even professional athletes and I wouldn't be surprised if Hossa still has a few. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shutemdown 23 Report post Posted October 17, 2008 Hell, he looks so bad out there we should probably just concede the other 78 games and say f*** the playoffs. Sorry Hossa, you weren't good enough to win us the cup again, let alone 4 games. Thanks for a s***ty year. This thread came much too soon and makes me wonder about alot of you guys... I mean, I understand people wanting to talk hockey or picking their brains for conversation starters, but c'mon... hockey's finally back and everyone's still making "the sky is falling!!!!1!!" threads that are hardly relevant and hold very little water. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted October 17, 2008 What's amazing is even with how bad the team is performing right now, they are on pace for another 100+ point season and a guaranteed playoff spot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ilmickeyli 40 Report post Posted October 17, 2008 What's amazing is even with how bad the team is performing right now, they are on pace for another 100+ point season and a guaranteed playoff spot. Did you really just draw that conclusion from 4 games? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted October 17, 2008 (edited) How come people are saying this thread came up much too soon? The Lilja thread came up after only one game 1! And hes actually looked better than usual... At any rate, you can talk about points all you want. 3 points in 4 games is nothing to scoff at, and I would be ecstatic if he were Kyle Calder or Todd Bertuzzi and had put up those points already. But this is Marian Freaking Hossa. This is a guy that scored a hattrick on us in the regular season less than a year ago. This is a guy that scored 12 playoff goals and 25+ playoff points. This is a guy who outplayed Crosby AND Malkin in the playoffs. This is a guy who has dominated not just on the scoresheet but ON THE ICE with three different teams and a variety of talents centering him. And lastly, this is a guy who is playing with our best puck distributor, yet his overall performance has made him look remarkably comparable to Samuelsson. After 4 games, none of our offensive lines are clicking outside of a few short spells here and there (and apparently whoevers playing with Darren Helm at the time). One thing thats particularly interesting is that brcause Homer knows Datsyuks game much better than Hossa does, it has made Homer lookl like the better of Datsyuks wingers. Hossa, after at least 2 weeks of practice and games with Datsyuk, looks like a rookie trying to cope not only with Datsyuks level of play, but the NHLs as well. Now before the Hossa apologists come out in droves, lets remember that this guy is coming to this team as what most of us consider to be a top 10 winger. Those are huge expectations of him, but nothing he hasnt proved capable of throughout his entire career. Therefore, anything short of top line material is going to come with heavy criticism. And rightfully so. On the bright side, this guy has definitely held up his end of the bargain defensively. Whoever suggested the revamped lines, I entirely agree. Keep Datsyuk and Homer together, and set up Hank and Hossa together. Yes, they are both shooters first, but Hank's distribution game is also more simplistic or mainstream than Datsyuks, and its worth it to see if Hossa fits in better in that role. Edited October 17, 2008 by YoungGuns1340 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BeeRYCE 2 Report post Posted October 17, 2008 Yeah, Hossa is backchecking well and is playing pretty good on the PK. His offensive skills aren't up to par but it's because him and Datsyuk are trying to make the highlight reels everytime they enter the zone. I completely agree with Nev's line-up on the previous page, Hossa would do fine (better) without Datsyuk because he feels inferior to Datsyuk's prettiness. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FedorovGurl 2 Report post Posted October 17, 2008 Hossa will be fine; give him a few more games. Jeez. Leave Hudler alone; what he lacks in height he makes up for in "Red Vings" spirit! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SouthernWingsFan 854 Report post Posted October 18, 2008 I am lazy and I suck. There. *shrugs* If this were a 7-game playoff series it'd be a lot different scenario, but just 4 games in an 80+ game regular season is not when you throw white flags up. Plenty of teams are going to go 2-2 in a 4 game stretch at some point in the season, the Wings will go 2-2 in another 4 game stretch again this season. Hell, even though they've lost twice they've still picked up a point in 3 of 4 games. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dawgs 0 Report post Posted October 18, 2008 The problem with Hossa is the same problem the entire team has. They are not playing well without the puck. They tend to stand around and watch the play. What you end up with is some great individual effort but nothing sustained. The proof is the high amount of turnovers per game. Alot of those turnovers are passes made that would be good passes if the guys without the puck were moving thier feet. Combine this with a lack of any sort of aggressiveness and you have a lethargic team. By aggressiveness I dont mean fighting or big hits, I mean cycling the puck, standing up at the blueline and backchecking. All of these elements are missing to some degree. Move your feet guys and your problems disappear. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Swayze 81 Report post Posted October 18, 2008 Nothing wrong with Hossa, he usually starts out slow. He didn't start really heating up last season till about two weeks before the all-star game, when I said "he doesn't deserve to be in the all-star game" then got a hat trick against the Wings Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chrisdetroit 189 Report post Posted October 18, 2008 How come people are saying this thread came up much too soon? The Lilja thread came up after only one game 1! And hes actually looked better than usual... At any rate, you can talk about points all you want. 3 points in 4 games is nothing to scoff at, and I would be ecstatic if he were Kyle Calder or Todd Bertuzzi and had put up those points already. But this is Marian Freaking Hossa. This is a guy that scored a hattrick on us in the regular season less than a year ago. This is a guy that scored 12 playoff goals and 25+ playoff points. This is a guy who outplayed Crosby AND Malkin in the playoffs. This is a guy who has dominated not just on the scoresheet but ON THE ICE with three different teams and a variety of talents centering him. And lastly, this is a guy who is playing with our best puck distributor, yet his overall performance has made him look remarkably comparable to Samuelsson. After 4 games, none of our offensive lines are clicking outside of a few short spells here and there (and apparently whoevers playing with Darren Helm at the time). One thing thats particularly interesting is that brcause Homer knows Datsyuks game much better than Hossa does, it has made Homer lookl like the better of Datsyuks wingers. Hossa, after at least 2 weeks of practice and games with Datsyuk, looks like a rookie trying to cope not only with Datsyuks level of play, but the NHLs as well. Now before the Hossa apologists come out in droves, lets remember that this guy is coming to this team as what most of us consider to be a top 10 winger. Those are huge expectations of him, but nothing he hasnt proved capable of throughout his entire career. Therefore, anything short of top line material is going to come with heavy criticism. And rightfully so. On the bright side, this guy has definitely held up his end of the bargain defensively. Whoever suggested the revamped lines, I entirely agree. Keep Datsyuk and Homer together, and set up Hank and Hossa together. Yes, they are both shooters first, but Hank's distribution game is also more simplistic or mainstream than Datsyuks, and its worth it to see if Hossa fits in better in that role. It's also a guy that is coming off his worst regular season in 6 years. He doesn't get a free pass in my book. I agree though 4 games means nothing and he should be on the 2nd line with Flip and Franzen. ZDH has great chemistry and part of the problem is that the chemistry isn't there with the current lines. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RainingBlood 8 Report post Posted October 18, 2008 wow its only 4 games into the season and people are allready bitchin Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lets go pavel 2 Report post Posted October 18, 2008 This thread is lazy and it sucks. Seriously people, it's been 4 games. Hossa has looked a bit out of place at times, and yes, at times he's passed the puck when he needed to shoot, but none of it is for lack of effort. He's been playing solid defensively, he's been out on the PK, backchecking and hustling. He hasn't been a liability at all. Some of you are dismissing the lack of chemistry "excuse" because he's had 2 weeks? What is 2 weeks? Homer and Z have been playing with Pavel for years, and when people say it's like they read each others mind, that's why. So many of the plays that ZDH make are about positioning and anticipation ... they don't pass to each other, they pass to where they know the other player is going. This familiarity takes time, it's not something that develops in 2 weeks no matter how good the player is. It wouldn't surprise me if it takes half the season for Hossa and Datsyuk to really start clicking anywhere near the way Hank and Pavel do. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
greenrebellion 415 Report post Posted October 18, 2008 If you don't count Zetterberg's empty net goal. Neither Datsuyk, Hossa, or Zetterberg have scored yet this season and we are 2-1-1 as a team. Just wait, they won't go scoreless the whole season and we'll be more than fine. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dano33 41 Report post Posted October 18, 2008 Expectations were EXTREMELY high coming into the year, almost unfairly high. Everyone expected the Wings to break the win record again while having three players over 100 points, which more than likely won't happen. We are just blaming our slow start on the new guy, who hasn't looked his best, but he will come around. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bellarina 1 Report post Posted October 18, 2008 Hossa has thus far played ok not what we expected. I think he may be on the wrong line. He and Zetta would have more chemistry b/c they play different styles. Dats and Hossa are too similar. The only player that I think has looked really out of place is Ozzie. No I do not think Ozzie is lazy and he sucks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted October 18, 2008 I'd love to see how him and Franzen work out playing together. People always assume that 2 great players can always have chemistry together if you give them time, but that isn't always true. Datsyuk and Hossa just seem to be off right now, and maybe a change is needed. Trying him together with Hank also wouldn't be a bad idea. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingslionstigers 12 Report post Posted October 18, 2008 Its defiantly to soon to start jumping the gun but its defiantly time to start taking note on whats going on. Like numerous people mentioned no matter what way you look at it Hossa is never going to play with Datsyuk like Zetterberg can. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoWings1905 2,694 Report post Posted October 18, 2008 In a couple of months, this thread will look as silly as some of the panic threads from last February. Give Hossa a chance guys. It has been four games. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted October 18, 2008 I dont care if it's 4 games in or 40, your in the NHL you compete every night. And so far, I'm not impressed with Mr Hossa, I still remember the knocks on him before last year were that he gets un-interested at times and doesnt compete, but then in the playoffs he was Mr Amazing. I dont know what to think, hopefully he picks his play up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
