Sidney Crosby is leading by the example

[evilmrt 636]

I have a difficult time believing SYDNEY is interested in scantily clad girls

If this is supposed to be the 2nd coming of Gretzky, why does everyone hate this skinny little whiner so much? Myself included

[LeftWinger 5,153]

How long until Nascar is over? I'm wondering when you'll stop mentioning it in every post on a hockey board?

...lol! I guess you're lucky I grasp the concept of Sarcasm! But, I do not mention it in evey post. I guess all be damned who like more things than hockey! I am sure you've never mention anything else on here BUT hockey!?!? LOL! Anyhow, NASCAR is over and one of the *** crybabies won! You don't have to read it from me until February!

...btw, last I checked, that wasn't violating a forum rule, mentioning another sport, or for you non-fans, another Hobby...

...anyhow, does anyone from California even qualify as a hockey fan? Oh, wait, the California Bandwagoners, that's right, I've heard of them...

[edicius 3,269]

I think people here mostly just hate Crosby, to an irrational degree. So by extension they hate Pittsburgh. Though honestly your coach didn't help a whole lot during the finals last year. I've honestly never seen a coach whine so much about officiating. It was embarrassing. So it sets this atmosphere of whining for everything Pens related.

My hatred of Crosby is perfectly rational! Just don't ask me to rationalize it.

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

My hatred of Crosby is perfectly rational! Just don't ask me to rationalize it.

I know edi. Your hate for Crosby is as rational as your love for Lilja.

[ben_usmc 253]

it's been said 1000 times, Sid ******* and it annoys everyone. But most of the hate for the Pens and Sid come from huge hard on everyone in the papers and etc has for him. If people would shut up (himself included) and let him play his game people would respect the guy. Perfect example was during the vs's broadcast against the Pens this year, talking about the new dynasty and the Pens, they haven't won s*** yet; lost some key players, and our team just won the cup and added the biggest free agent. Things like that piss people off, most of the Sid hate really isn't his fault.

[ben_usmc 253]

I know edi. Your hate for Crosby is as rational as your love for Lilja.

hmm one's an overrated crybaby (sid), the other is a future Norris trophy winner and sure fire hall of famer (Paintrain); what person wouldn't like Lilja

Edited November 20, 2008 by ben_usmc

[VM1138 1,921]

Ovie can run Malkin all he wants. That's what happens when you earn respect instead of get it handed to you by the league. You can get away with stuff like that. Nobody likes a little whiner.

[Doogs 0]

Sorry but you are wrong the H left pittsburg in the off season to come to a real team he wears # 81 now

That is truely classic. I like that. Painful that he left, but funny.

Now, can we please practice adding the H at the end of my city's name... ummm okay, yeah thanks.

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

it's been said 1000 times, Sid ******* and it annoys everyone. But most of the hate for the Pens and Sid come from huge hard on everyone in the papers and etc has for him. If people would shut up (himself included) and let him play his game people would respect the guy. Perfect example was during the vs's broadcast against the Pens this year, talking about the new dynasty and the Pens, they haven't won s*** yet; lost some key players, and our team just won the cup and added the biggest free agent. Things like that piss people off, most of the Sid hate really isn't his fault.

Nobody yet can convince me otherwise that the "Crosby is a whiner" bit is ridiculously overblown. Does he whine? Without question. Did Therrien whine and complain during the Finals? Yep.

I can name a handful of Red Wings players who whined on and off the ice. Chelios is as big a yapper as they come. Even our beloved former Captain, Yzerman whined and he was a captain at just as young of an age as well and probably made his fair share of mistakes like Crosby has so far. Babcock whines from time to time.

Now before people barbeque my head for what i just said, my point is that everybody and their mother whines at some point in their careers whether they are a captain of a team, a natural-born scorer, or a 4th-line benchwarmer.

Maybe I'm being too simplistic regarding this, maybe it was because the Wings recently played the Penguins in a playoff series and beat them, but the Crosby whining tag in here gets to be pretty ridiculous sometimes. I cannot comment on other sports/hockey forums because I don't go to any others with any regularity.

Does the media hype Crosby? Without question. That's no mistake though given how much he was promoted even before coming to the league. I haven't watch the Penguins with any regularity, but given the immense pressure put on him so far, overall I think he's done a solid job handling himself on and off the ice given his limited experience, and he's certainly produced on the ice. The Crosby and Penguins media hype doesn't really bother me, it is what it is.

[VM1138 1,921]

Now before people barbeque my head for what i just said, my point is that everybody and their mother whines at some point in their careers whether they are a captain of a team, a natural-born scorer, or a 4th-line benchwarmer.

But only the hardiest few make an entire career out of whining, as Sid the Kid has.

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

But only the hardiest few make an entire career out of whining, as Sid the Kid has.

Not really.

[Doc Holiday 0]

When does Babcock whine? He hates being asked the questions that require him laying the blame on someone other than the team that he is coaching.

[#19=Legend 29]

But only the hardiest few make an entire career out of whining, as Sid the Kid has.

not sticking up for Crosby or anything, but this is dumb.

How can you say he has made a career out of whining, when his career has just started?

[T.OWingsFan 7]

Good ol slew foot Malkin.

At least Lemieux had a right to complain when he played in Pittsburgh. I'd be pissed off too if I always had 2 guys climbing on me 24/7 like he did when he played.

The Kid and the Slew are not treated like this, and complain 10x more.

Its all funny considering the PP favours the refs/Bettman gave them during the playoffs last season, especially against Detroit in the finals.

[Wings_Rule_1010 4]

I love how a thread about Malkin turns into a thread about crosby. I love crosby bashing

I am glad to see so many people share my annoyance with him.

This thread brings memories of therrian saying obstruction like 100x in a post-game conference. It was almost comical.

Edited November 20, 2008 by Wings_Rule_1010

[CrossoverThrash 0]

Pittsburgh sucks, they have one of the smallest arenas and still failed to sellout their games for so long, now there are bandwagoners filling the seats temporarily but theres not doubt the massive amount of fairweathers will be gone in not too long, the crowd whines too, every time something looks even remotely bad on first glance. i like how even the wings fans know when and when not to boo the refs or scream for a bs call.

[Dabura 12,232]

everybody and their mother whines at some point in their careers

Crosby's whining gets to people because it's a part of his game, a staple of his game. He uses it like a tool, a weapon, an asset. Pavel Datsyuk, on the other hand, has blown up at a ref a grand total of once -- and he was fully justified in that instance.

"To whom much is given, much is expected."

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

Pittsburgh sucks, they have one of the smallest arenas and still failed to sellout their games for so long, now there are bandwagoners filling the seats temporarily but theres not doubt the massive amount of fairweathers will be gone in not too long, the crowd whines too, every time something looks even remotely bad on first glance. i like how even the wings fans know when and when not to boo the refs or scream for a bs call.

Plenty of people have joined Detroit's ranks as fans because the Red Wings have been good in recent memory, they could be labeled bandwagoners as well. Does that make them bad? In the 70s and 80s when the Wings were struggling, they had their fair share of empty seats. Winning and success leads to more interest and usually increases attendance at games. There's nothing wrong with that.

Crosby's whining gets to people because it's a part of his game, a staple of his game. He uses it like a tool, a weapon, an asset. Pavel Datsyuk, on the other hand, has blown up at a ref a grand total of once -- and he was fully justified in that instance.

"To whom much is given, much is expected."

And it is a part of plenty of other people's games as well when things don't completely go their way. Some of you act like you think everybody should act like perfect angels all the time whether it be at a hockey game or playing in a sporting event or at your job.

Well, that doesn't happen in life.

I have had plenty of people want to roast my head just about every single call I made when I was a sports official for a brief time period. And some people yapped and complained to me multiple times as well. If you or anybody else in here has played in a rec or beer or work league before, you cannot tell me with a straight face that you've never complained about a call or blown a gasket ever, whether you were the leader of the team or a benchwarmer.

I recently complained about a customer giving me attitude even though I was doing my job correctly. I complained about my cable going out this week for the third time in two weeks. I have complained more than once about grocery prices increasing.

The complaining card thrown his way his overblown. I get why it happens because it's "fun" to do, but it's still a bit silly and people go off the deep end with it.

Is it because he's a captain? Well, I've seen my boss complain or lose his cool more than once. You know what, that, and whining alone, doesn't make one a completely awful boss or leader, he's still a good CEO, the company he runs is still good and doing well for itself in spite of complaining here and there and I've been there for close to 4 years now.

Nobody can tell me when they've messed up on a play in sports or something didn't go right at their job that you've just basically continued on the day like normal with a jolly smile singing Kumbayah. Nobody has 100% perfect behavior skills 24-7. Not you, not me, not everybody in here, not Crosby, not Therrien, not Datsyuk, not anybody.

Edited November 20, 2008 by SouthernWingsFan

[The Secret 304]

Plenty of people have joined Detroit's ranks as fans because the Red Wings have been good in recent memory, they could be labeled bandwagoners as well. Does that make them bad? In the 70s and 80s when the Wings were struggling, they had their fair share of empty seats. Winning and success leads to more interest and usually increases attendance at games. There's nothing wrong with that.

And it is a part of plenty of other people's games as well when things don't completely go their way. Some of you act like you think everybody should act like perfect angels all the time whether it be at a hockey game or playing in a sporting event or at your job.

Well, that doesn't happen in life.

I have had plenty of people want to roast my head just about every single call I made when I was a sports official for a brief time period. And some people yapped and complained to me multiple times as well. If you or anybody else in here has played in a rec or beer or work league before, you cannot tell me with a straight face that you've never complained about a call or blown a gasket ever, whether you were the leader of the team or a benchwarmer.

I recently complained about a customer giving me attitude even though I was doing my job correctly. I complained about my cable going out this week for the third time in two weeks. I have complained more than once about grocery prices increasing.

The complaining card thrown his way his overblown. I get why it happens because it's "fun" to do, but it's still a bit silly and people go off the deep end with it.

Is it because he's a captain? Well, I've seen my boss complain or lose his cool more than once. You know what, that, and whining alone, doesn't make one a completely awful boss or leader, he's still a good CEO, the company he runs is still good and doing well for itself in spite of complaining here and there and I've been there for close to 4 years now.

Nobody can tell me when they've messed up on a play in sports or something didn't go right at their job that you've just basically continued on the day like normal with a jolly smile singing Kumbayah. Nobody has 100% perfect behavior skills 24-7. Not you, not me, not everybody in here, not Crosby, not Therrien, not Datsyuk, not anybody.

A large part of me cannot wait for Crosby to retire. Not because he's Crosby or because he's retiring, so I can eventually stop reading about how fans obnoxiously and excessively complain about his complaining, when plenty of other people do the same.

The Crosby roasting threads get to me too. I guess when the spot light is on someone so intensely everything they do is seen in a different light. I find it hilarious how the haters dismiss how unbelievably well he's done in his short career, stats-wise, hockey-wise, leadership-wise etc. And the biggest complaint is he whines, it is funny because there is no substance. It's like complaining that he has an ugly helmet, although it maybe true and annoying it does not add or take anything away from how he plays and how well he plays. The next is that he is poor defensively, which I don't find to be true... it may not be the best part of his game but he is not that bad, and he is improving. Remember a guy named Steve Yzerman? He was not always considered to be the best 2 way forward, it took the time to improve his defensive play and look where it got him. My belief is that is all stems from either extreme jealousy, or just plain stupidity. I have more respect for the people that just say I hate the kid... period! That I can live with. Isn't it ironic how many people whine about Crosby whining... there must be hundreds of LGW whiners that whine more then Crosby ever will. SWF is right, try to play a competitive sport just once and not complain about a call you feel was unjust... if you can do that then you are not human or you don't actually have the heart for the game.

[Mors 201]

If Crosby shut his mouth and played hockey rather than bitching like a little girl with a constant expression of tears on the horizon than maybe he wouldn't garner so much dislike. The only person who has a worse reputation for whining is Gretzky as a coach. I consider Crosby one of the more repugnant faces of the "new" NHL, and they sure do love throwing him out there.

[CrossoverThrash 0]

Plenty of people have joined Detroit's ranks as fans because the Red Wings have been good in recent memory, they could be labeled bandwagoners as well. Does that make them bad? In the 70s and 80s when the Wings were struggling, they had their fair share of empty seats. Winning and success leads to more interest and usually increases attendance at games. There's nothing wrong with that.

And it is a part of plenty of other people's games as well when things don't completely go their way. Some of you act like you think everybody should act like perfect angels all the time whether it be at a hockey game or playing in a sporting event or at your job.

Well, that doesn't happen in life.

I have had plenty of people want to roast my head just about every single call I made when I was a sports official for a brief time period. And some people yapped and complained to me multiple times as well. If you or anybody else in here has played in a rec or beer or work league before, you cannot tell me with a straight face that you've never complained about a call or blown a gasket ever, whether you were the leader of the team or a benchwarmer.

I recently complained about a customer giving me attitude even though I was doing my job correctly. I complained about my cable going out this week for the third time in two weeks. I have complained more than once about grocery prices increasing.

The complaining card thrown his way his overblown. I get why it happens because it's "fun" to do, but it's still a bit silly and people go off the deep end with it.

Is it because he's a captain? Well, I've seen my boss complain or lose his cool more than once. You know what, that, and whining alone, doesn't make one a completely awful boss or leader, he's still a good CEO, the company he runs is still good and doing well for itself in spite of complaining here and there and I've been there for close to 4 years now.

Nobody can tell me when they've messed up on a play in sports or something didn't go right at their job that you've just basically continued on the day like normal with a jolly smile singing Kumbayah. Nobody has 100% perfect behavior skills 24-7. Not you, not me, not everybody in here, not Crosby, not Therrien, not Datsyuk, not anybody.

The JLA has 5,000 more seats

[The Secret 304]

If Crosby shut his mouth and played hockey rather than bitching like a little girl with a constant expression of tears on the horizon than maybe he wouldn't garner so much dislike. The only person who has a worse reputation for whining is Gretzky as a coach. I consider Crosby one of the more repugnant faces of the "new" NHL, and they sure do love throwing him out there.

They throw him out there because he is good and he makes them money for the league. If there were other players that would generate as much interest it would be them that they would throw out there but right now Sid's the one. Obviously there are many more fans interested in seeing him then not. And don't kid yourself there are plenty of whiners in the league. Its viewed as whining by those who don't want to hear what they have to say, but I'm sure it's viewed as sharing an opinion to others. I don't care for excessive whining by anyone but I think he more then makes up for it by his play.

[Dabura 12,232]

And it is a part of plenty of other people's games as well when things don't completely go their way.

And it's not just a part of his game "when things don't completely go his way"; it's a part of his game all the time, every night, regardless of who he's playing against, regardless of what he's playing for, regardless of the situation. Kirk Maltby's a whiney little *****, but he gets paid to be an agitator, a crybaby. Sidney Crosby's the face of the league. I'd like for that face to not be filled with tears at some point in every single game he plays.

That doesn't mean I don't think he's an unbelievably talented hockey player. He's already one of the most impressive players to ever play the game, and I have no problem with saying so. He just complains too damn much. Maybe this point is brought up too often -- but it holds true.

Some of you act like you think everybody should act like perfect angels all the time whether it be at a hockey game or playing in a sporting event or at your job.

No one is acting like that. What are you smoking? Crosby cries too much. You try too hard to be objective. Bam! Thread done.

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

The JLA has 5,000 more seats

So?

Tampa Bay Lightning's arena is almost 22,000 seats I think. They probably didn't sell out all the time when they were struggling.

The big college down here has won 2 National Championsips in football over the last few years and sell out pretty much all their games in a 90,000+ seat stadium. 10-15 years ago they were consistently bad with losing records and didn't even come close to selling out their stadium which was about 80,000 seats at the time.

The New Orleans Saints sell games out now, but they could rarely ever sell out their Superdome of 70,000 when they weren't as good years ago.

You're not always going to sell games out.

Bandwagoners exist on any and every team whenever they are good. Winning typically leads to more attendance at games, losing typically leads to less attendance, regardless of stadium/arena size.

And it's not just a part of his game "when things don't completely go his way"; it's a part of his game all the time, every night, regardless of who he's playing against, regardless of what he's playing for, regardless of the situation. Kirk Maltby's a whiney little *****, but he gets paid to be an agitator, a crybaby. Sidney Crosby's the face of the league. I'd like for that face to not be filled with tears at some point in every single game he plays.

That doesn't mean I don't think he's an unbelievably talented hockey player. He's already one of the most impressive players to ever play the game, and I have no problem with saying so. He just complains too damn much. Maybe this point is brought up too often -- but it holds true.

And so do the people that excessively do it about him complaining, including people in here and yourself personally, like you just said. It holds true.

No one is acting like that. What are you smoking? Crosby cries too much. You try too hard to be objective. Bam! Thread done.

But people are acting like that to a pretty good degree as everybody in here excessively whines about how Crosby presents himself. You just said so more or less in your expectations of him yourself.

I don't smoke as I feel it's bad for my health.

No, I don't try too hard to be objective. I try to bring basic logic and examples that are easy to follow when I feel it is needed.

Edited November 21, 2008 by SouthernWingsFan

[Guest Shoreline]

Funny thing is, while I hate him for crying against the Wings, watching him in most games that I can, he rarely ever dives, and puts forth substantial amounts of effort, not to mention people clutch and interfere with him constantly without him complaining, nor the people getting called for it. Hell, if this were happening to me as often as it does to him I'd probably start diving and whining too. But beyond that, it's clear to me hating Syd is a fad, so, not much one can do about it besides ignore it and praise the kid when he does alright.

He's one of the best, if not the best, in the league right now. Players don't score goals and are constantly amongst league leaders in points by whining.

Edited November 21, 2008 by Shoreline