worried about ozzie?

[OsGOD 3]

Guys you can bring up the Red Wings record all you want but if the defense and Ozzie plays like this during the playoffs then I can guarentee you that they won't get through the first round.

A less than .900 save percentage is not going to win.

I don't care who you blame it on Ozzie or the defense but both of them need to shape up or the team will not be repeating this year. During that time you won't be able to say, "Well, the Red Wings started 7-1-2!!!"

False statement

as long as our all-star forwards have a scoring Percentage up 11% or up... we will win at at 90%

[12Newf 0]

we need to bring back hasek immediately before the wings implode and lose the next 70 games.

[Doc Holiday 0]

we need to bring back hasek immediately before the wings implode and lose the next 70 games.

Seconded. Hasek is so much better.

[Offsides 21]

Were those jokes, or do you simply not remember Hasek's numbers

[Doc Holiday 0]

Were those jokes, or do you simply not remember Hasek's numbers

I don't need numbers to know Hasek is so much better than Ozzie.

[theman19 47]

I don't need numbers to know Hasek is so much better than Ozzie.

No you need a reminder of last year's playoffs, and how we don't get past nashville with hasek in net. Argument over.

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

And I don't need reminders or re-visitations of any of the debates of the past between the pro-Osgood clubs vs. negative-bias-Hasek clubs and the pro-Hasek clubs vs. the negative-bias-Osgood clubs to convince me of goaltending one way or another.

Both were/are great goalies, and I trust Osgood right now, and I'm leaving it at that.

Both him AND the defense need to play more consistently.

[glasgowcelticwing 18]

I don't need numbers to know Hasek is so much better than Ozzie.

Your looking at the Hasek of the past..... maybe about 8 years ago when he was on top of his game. we're talking of the soon to be 44 year old washed up retired Hasek who didn't exactly play anywhere near good last season. So comparing him to the guy who in my opinion should have had the Conn Smyth last season is crazy.

[Offsides 21]

I don't need numbers to know Hasek is so much better than Ozzie.

I seriously thought you were joking. Hasek was absolutely terrible at the start of last year, and is known as a 'slow starter' and ain't getting any younger. Even if Ozzie isn't playing great I expect better out of fans in their irrational goalie coveting.

[puckloo39 5,686]

I think it's fun that goalie stats no longer matter this season. How things change!!

[vladdy16 2,154]

we need to bring back hasek immediately before the wings implode and lose the next 70 games.

Seconded. Hasek is so much better.

He retired. He has no place in a thread about current goalies.

[OsGOD 3]

No you need a reminder of last year's playoffs, and how we don't get past nashville with hasek in net. Argument over.

Touche!!

Yeah um... i know Hasek raised the cup over his head all you peeps... but need i remind you he did so after taking the towel off his neck and jumping off the bench... the same bench he did his best work for the wings this last cup run.

...There is no arguement here.. Hasek blew his chanch to win his 2nd cup himself. Its okay though, he is still a good goalie... just wasn't needed to win our cup last year...

Peace out kids

[russianswede919293 95]

I'm not worried about Ozzie he is 5-1-2, the whole team has been off early, and he looked tremendous against Vancouver.

Scoring is up this year, the new rule that a puck of the post, and that all PPs start in the zone is bringing scoring up. Things wil settle as the year goes on.

A bigger concern then Ozzie is the high turnover numbers, and the lack of consistantly solid play from our defence.

[dallas27 7]

I think it's fun that goalie stats no longer matter this season. How things change!!

Jesus Christ

As stated many times before, Hasek was playing with the best defense in the league and the least penalized. Can you say the same for Osgood and Conklin this year? Not quite, far from it actually. How many shots did Hasek face last year? And Osgood for that matter? How many shots are they facing now? DOUBLE? TRIPLE? How many stupid penalites are they taking this year? How many did they take last year? Also, when Hasek lets in goals 4,9 and 11 seconds apart (or whatever it was) that's not a sign of a shoddy defense. That's a sign of a goalie that had no means to ever start the playoffs. Thankfully (not for you) he did that so it opened Babcock's eyes and let Osgood start, the rest is history.

F%^ng A I know you are in Hasek's ass all the time but give it a freaking break...nobody wants to hear your non-stop crap anymore because THERE IS NO REASON TO. HASEK ISN'T EVEN ON THE FREAKING TEAM. The only reason why you continue to post on this board is so you can talk about how Hasek got the short end last year and Osgood has it so much easier aka bitching aka pissing and moaning. Hasek was a great goaltender, there is no need to bring him into a discussion of this nature. If anything it further proves how he was a has been last year and should have been a back-up to Osgood all season long.

That being said, I don't know why people are still discussing this. Osgood and Conklin are one of the few reasons why the Wings have a shot to win every night. Conklin was a big reason why that San Jose game was remotely close (even though it wasn't in relation to the score and overall play) and Osgood was one of few reasons why they were able to get a point in Anaheim.

Stats weigh less for a goalie when a team is playing horribly in their own end, taking way too many dumb penalties and just not being disciplined as the Wings are. However, when you are a Hall of Fame goalie facing 10-15 shots a game due to the fact that he has a team playing the best defense in the league by far, stats do come into play. That goalie has high expectations. That of which he never accomplished.

[puckloo39 5,686]

Jesus Christ

As stated many times before, Hasek was playing with the best defense in the league and the least penalized. Can you say the same for Osgood and Conklin this year? Not quite, far from it actually. How many shots did Hasek face last year? And Osgood for that matter? How many shots are they facing now? DOUBLE? TRIPLE? How many stupid penalites are they taking this year? How many did they take last year? Also, when Hasek lets in goals 4,9 and 11 seconds apart (or whatever it was) that's not a sign of a shoddy defense. That's a sign of a goalie that had no means to ever start the playoffs. Thankfully (not for you) he did that so it opened Babcock's eyes and let Osgood start, the rest is history.

F%^ng A I know you are in Hasek's ass all the time but give it a freaking break...nobody wants to hear your non-stop crap anymore because THERE IS NO REASON TO. HASEK ISN'T EVEN ON THE FREAKING TEAM. The only reason why you continue to post on this board is so you can talk about how Hasek got the short end last year and Osgood has it so much easier aka bitching aka pissing and moaning. Hasek was a great goaltender, there is no need to bring him into a discussion of this nature. If anything it further proves how he was a has been last year and should have been a back-up to Osgood all season long.

That being said, I don't know why people are still discussing this. Osgood and Conklin are one of the few reasons why the Wings have a shot to win every night. Conklin was a big reason why that San Jose game was remotely close (even though it wasn't in relation to the score and overall play) and Osgood was one of few reasons why they were able to get a point in Anaheim.

Stats weigh less for a goalie when a team is playing horribly in their own end, taking way too many dumb penalties and just not being disciplined as the Wings are. However, when you are a Hall of Fame goalie facing 10-15 shots a game due to the fact that he has a team playing the best defense in the league by far, stats do come into play. That goalie has high expectations. That of which he never accomplished.

freak out much? Just saying that reactions to stats are objective, depending on the player in question. You are a great example, BTW.

[Swede40 0]

Too early to worry about stats.

[Doggy 130]

dallas27, you desperately need to get laid. Do you always need to be such a ***** to everyone?

[dallas27 7]

freak out much? Just saying that reactions to stats are objective, depending on the player in question. You are a great example, BTW.

I do, when you CONTINUE to bring Hasek into discussions he has no reason to be in.

We get that you like Hasek. It's hard not to, the only reason why I have any dislike of Hasek is because of you. And I have had other people tell me the same thing. We also get that you try to defend him. BUT OH WAIT THERE IS NOTHING TO DEFEND. Yet you STILL drag Hasek into goalie conversations. If you can actually contribute other than anything related to Hasek that would be great. If not, do us all a favor and go to www.icanonlytalkabouthasek.com and stay away from goalie threads.

Again, nobody wants your crap about Hasek when he isn't even on the team.

[dallas27 7]

dallas27, you desperately need to get laid. Do you always need to be such a ***** to everyone?

I do fine, thank you. This thread is about Osgood. Not Hasek. Puckloo likes to think otherwise.

[Doggy 130]

I do fine, thank you. This thread is about Osgood. Not Hasek. Puckloo likes to think otherwise.

The thing is, she didn't actually bring up Hasek [in the post you quoted]. She was more comparing people's judgments of Ozzie to their judgments of Hasek 12 months ago. Others addressed it and made their points. You went psycho.

Edited November 4, 2008 by Doggy

[puckloo39 5,686]

I do, when you CONTINUE to bring Hasek into discussions he has no reason to be in.

We get that you like Hasek. It's hard not to, the only reason why I have any dislike of Hasek is because of you. And I have had other people tell me the same thing. We also get that you try to defend him. BUT OH WAIT THERE IS NOTHING TO DEFEND. Yet you STILL drag Hasek into goalie conversations. If you can actually contribute other than anything related to Hasek that would be great. If not, do us all a favor and go to www.icanonlytalkabouthasek.com and stay away from goalie threads.

Again, nobody wants your crap about Hasek when he isn't even on the team.

my comments stem from when he was, and all I was doing was pointing out a fact of life. Inequity exists on many levels. I just find it ironic how the tables turn, that's all. I do contribute other information to this board, you just don't bother to read it.

Ozzie and Conks have the same team in front of them -- and the same effort for that matter -- that Hasek did early last season. You've apparently forgotten how bad it was in some games, with penalties aplenty, 2-1s, breakaways, turnovers, illegal goals, etc. etc. Dom kept them in a lot of games where they shouldn't have even been close to winning. Different expectations, different players.

Comparing the two seasons isn't totally irrelevant, when you consider the circumstances are about the same... the only difference I see in this season early on and last is that the Wings now have Hossa = who is a major reason they don't look much worse. The only subtractions are Dom and Drake. How is it not relevant? Unless we can never speak of departed players again in any context here.

You could PM me, but I have you blocked. I also have you on ignore, but some perverse part of my nature makes me want to peek at your posts. Bad looo...

[puckloo39 5,686]

The thing is, she didn't actually bring up Hasek [in the post you quoted]. She was more comparing people's judgments of Ozzie to their judgments of Hasek 12 months ago. Others addressed it and made their points. You went psycho.

thanks, Doggy. I appreciate the support.

[dallas27 7]

my comments stem from when he was, and all I was doing was pointing out a fact of life. Inequity exists on many levels. I just find it ironic how the tables turn, that's all. I do contribute other information to this board, you just don't bother to read it.

Ozzie and Conks have the same team in front of them -- and the same effort for that matter -- that Hasek did early last season. You've apparently forgotten how bad it was in some games, with penalties aplenty, 2-1s, breakaways, turnovers, illegal goals, etc. etc. Dom kept them in a lot of games where they shouldn't have even been close to winning. Different expectations, different players.

Comparing the two seasons isn't totally irrelevant, when you consider the circumstances are about the same... the only difference I see in this season early on and last is that the Wings now have Hossa = who is a major reason they don't look much worse. The only subtractions are Dom and Drake. How is it not relevant? Unless we can never speak of departed players again in any context here.

You could PM me, but I have you blocked. I also have you on ignore, but some perverse part of my nature makes me want to peek at your posts. Bad looo...

But here is the thing, Hasek isn't on the team. And that's last year. I don't care about last year. Other than the fact they won the cup and I hope they repeat.

You're kidding yourself if you honestly believe that the Wings are playing just as good defensively now as they were last year. You are just looking at the player level. Of course it's the same team sans a couple players. That doesn't mean they are playing the same way.

[dallas27 7]

The thing is, she didn't actually bring up Hasek [in the post you quoted]. She was more comparing people's judgments of Ozzie to their judgments of Hasek 12 months ago. Others addressed it and made their points. You went psycho.

How can you say she actually didn't bring up Hasek...and go on to say she was adressing a judgement about Hasek? Which was it there Doggy? Did she not bring up Hasek? Or did she?

That being said, I don't know why people are still discussing this. Osgood and Conklin are one of the few reasons why the Wings have a shot to win every night. Conklin was a big reason why that San Jose game was remotely close (even though it wasn't in relation to the score and overall play) and Osgood was one of few reasons why they were able to get a point in Anaheim.

Stats weigh less for a goalie when a team is playing horribly in their own end, taking way too many dumb penalties and just not being disciplined as the Wings are. However, when you are a Hall of Fame goalie facing 10-15 shots a game due to the fact that he has a team playing the best defense in the league by far, stats do come into play. That goalie has high expectations. That of which he never accomplished.

Nah, I didn't make any points at all, Doggy.

[Doc Holiday 0]

I WAS JOKING YOU MORONS