stormboy 47 Report post Posted October 28, 2008 yeah, we've been squeaking by teams that aren't good...even losing to them. granted, you're going to lose against some crappy teams some times, and a SO win over the kings is just as many points as a 8-1 rout. still, four of our next five games are against better teams (or at least teams that match up better against us...i guess we can debate whether anaheim is actually bad this year or whether they just haven't been playing up to their potential--either way i think they'll still be a tough matchup for us), and the fifth game is away versus a team that has beaten us at home this year (vancouver). if we continue to win games by one goal against the sharks, devils and penguins, then i'm alright with it. but if a SO victory against LA is the best that we can do, i don't see us beating the sharks, etc. but, who knows if last night's win IS the best we can do. only time will tell. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yzermania 156 Report post Posted October 28, 2008 yeah, we've been squeaking by teams that aren't good...even losing to them. granted, you're going to lose against some crappy teams some times, and a SO win over the kings is just as many points as a 8-1 rout. still, four of our next five games are against better teams (or at least teams that match up better against us...i guess we can debate whether anaheim is actually bad this year or whether they just haven't been playing up to their potential--either way i think they'll still be a tough matchup for us), and the fifth game is away versus a team that has beaten us at home this year (vancouver). if we continue to win games by one goal against the sharks, devils and penguins, then i'm alright with it. but if a SO victory against LA is the best that we can do, i don't see us beating the sharks, etc. but, who knows if last night's win IS the best we can do. only time will tell. well quite honestly, in terms of last night's game, Franzen being out changed htings up quite a bit. One he is a greta defensive forward and two it reunited the grind line which didnt impress babs obviously, so for a lot the game we pretty much played with three lines in which there was chemistry in about 1 of them. The d has ben sloppy though and that is defintley a concern if it continues like this for a good portion of the season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shadow47 1 Report post Posted October 28, 2008 Ozzie is fine and the wings are rolling so why don't you think of other things to whine about. So is it the 3.13 GAA or the .884 save percentage that you consider "fine"? Among goaltenders playing at least 4 games Osgood is 21st in GAA and has the 7th worst save percentage. That said, guys like Luongo, Nabokov, and Turco have all had horrendous statistical starts. Of course...well, I won't say it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sdogg1m 3 Report post Posted October 29, 2008 35 Goals For 28 Goals Against The offense cools down one bit then the Red Wings could easily drop to .500 I wouldn't worry too much now but defense does win championships and I wouldn't look for Detroit to repeat if they continue with this same crappy defense in the playoffs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted October 29, 2008 So is it the 3.13 GAA or the .884 save percentage that you consider "fine"? Among goaltenders playing at least 4 games Osgood is 21st in GAA and has the 7th worst save percentage. That said, guys like Luongo, Nabokov, and Turco have all had horrendous statistical starts. Of course...well, I won't say it. I'd be worried if the team was playing well defensively and those were the numbers. Defensively speaking, this team hasn't looked itself since the start of the season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ltgator333 3 Report post Posted October 29, 2008 I agree with the ppl saying the wings haven't looked defensively right since the season started- they do look discombobulated in their own end. I don't know how many times I've seen either goalie have to make a real dandy of a save. I'm not real worried about either goalie really other than that I'd hate to see their confidence tank because pucks are going in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dominator2005 558 Report post Posted October 29, 2008 Ozzie's been fine, he will only get better... We need Chelios back Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DatsyukownzU13 1 Report post Posted October 29, 2008 No doubt he's been shakey. That said, most of the goals havent been his fault. He hasn't played great in any games, but he's done what he needs to do to win the game. As long as the winning trend continues, I have no complaints. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pjgj13 30 Report post Posted October 29, 2008 Quite a few of the goals Ozzie has allowed to go in were bad bounces. The one off of Lid's skate last night comes to mind. As long as we score more than the other team, who cares what we give up. Even if no Wing wins a trophy, all they (and we) care about is Stanley. If we score 395 goals and give up 300 and our record is 58-12-12 and win the cup, who cares, right? Once the "D" turns it around, we will be looking DAMN GOOD!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Booster313 138 Report post Posted October 29, 2008 I'm not worried....yet. If we are still talking about less than stellar goaltending and questionable defense in March then I'll be worried. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Mule 0 Report post Posted October 29, 2008 Ozzie has struggled at times, and played above average at others, but for the most part, his play has been very slightly underwhelming. On the other hand, you also need to keep in min that we're 9 games into the season, and we've still managed to win games in which both our team and Ozzie has been somewhat below par. In other words, I am far from worried. Ozzie showed us last season that he can play spectacularly, and until he destroys that recognition, I will remain confident with him in goal. Also, he was wonderful in the shootout last night. On another note, Conklin has looked quite good, as well. I wouldn't mind seeing Conklin start once every three games to ensure that Ozzie is well-rested come playoff time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted October 29, 2008 Defence tightens up and he gets a couple more nights off, and you'll see his stats pick up. He's been fine. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Outsider 42 Report post Posted October 29, 2008 Ozzie's been fine, he will only get better... We need Chelios back That is the gospel truth. As for Oz...? He hasn't been terrible, but he hasn't been good, either. I'm just about the biggest Osgood supporter out there, and I don't think he's playing up to his capabilities. The "weird" or "fluky" bounces/goals? I've seen those go in on Oz many times in the past, and it only happens with this kind of frequency when he's not on top of his game. It's almost like a Murphy's Law type of thing. Everything that can go in, DOES go in. He's fighting the puck right now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
motorcitykid 42 Report post Posted October 29, 2008 (edited) Our defense has looked very average. Ty and Ozzie haven't look all that better. This team knows it's a long season and are still working some things out. Yet we sit at 7-1-1 and likely first overall in the NHL if we played the 3 games we have in hand on the Rangers. No worries here. Edited October 29, 2008 by motorcitykid Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
XxGoWingsxX 0 Report post Posted October 29, 2008 Well, for one, i think we're taking wayy to many bad penalties in the second half of games...some were just blown calls but for the most part detroit has looked undisciplined. Second...with ozzie especially, he's not used to having more than 15-20 shots come at him in a game. Conks on the other hand, seems to be a bit more used to the frantic 2,3,4 shots in a row coming right at him than ozzie is. I also personally have a SLIGHT suspicion that Chelios not being around to help Lidstrom keep the D in check is hurting us more than most would like to admit. In defense of lidstrom..he just started wearing that visor which will take some getting used to but some of his plays have been very uncharacteristic also. I don't have the wings PK stats near me but if im correct the numbers aren't that great right now are they? The bottom line is this...its the beginning of the season and yes the D looks shaky but as far as i know babcock hasn't really tried shaking up the lines a bit...maybe the defensive chemistry has changed and should be paired differently? Try putting Kronwall on the 1st pair with Lids, and Raffi on the 2nd with stuart? Just a thought but it might help. Either way, we're winning solely because our offense is saving our defense's ass, and both ozzie and conks have kept us in it to the best of their ability...they just need a little more help out front and we'll be fine. I can't remember the last time i saw the wings give up 30 shots in one game...let alone a few at a time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AtomicPunk 296 Report post Posted October 29, 2008 I think we need to let Ozzie get in a groove. Give him a few games in a row instead of jerking him out every other game. He needs to feel like he is the man. It worked in the playoffs! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3chrisosgood0 7 Report post Posted October 29, 2008 I think we need to let Ozzie get in a groove. Give him a few games in a row instead of jerking him out every other game. He needs to feel like he is the man. It worked in the playoffs! exactly im a goalie myself an i know if i get a couple good starts back to back that usally turns into a good run of high quality starts so once ozzie gets a groove goin hes GAA will go down and the save% up Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
XxGoWingsxX 0 Report post Posted October 29, 2008 exactly im a goalie myself an i know if i get a couple good starts back to back that usally turns into a good run of high quality starts so once ozzie gets a groove goin hes GAA will go down and the save% up you know...you guys have a good point on this...he keeps getting pulled every 3rd or so game...maybe he needs a string of 4 or 5 games to get back into the swing of things Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Mule 0 Report post Posted October 29, 2008 you know...you guys have a good point on this...he keeps getting pulled every 3rd or so game...maybe he needs a string of 4 or 5 games to get back into the swing of things He's not getting "pulled." Babcock is using a tandem just like he did last year until Ozzie started playing exceptionally well. You can't let Conklin ride the pine 90% of the time, or he will be cold and completely devoid of any sort of groove if we need him. If we go lengthy streaks without putting Ty in goal, what happens when he's called upon if Ozzie has a streak of bad play or perhaps and injury? I'd much rather continue using the tandem that we are right now. NHL goaltenders should be able to build on solid play even if they have to sit a game here and there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phazon 24 Report post Posted October 30, 2008 (edited) you can complain at the defense, sammy, clearly, hudler etc all you want, but .879 in Save Percentage is unacceptable. If Osgood keeps that up we might as well ride conklin for a while. you should expect atleast over 0.900 from a good goalie. Edited October 30, 2008 by Phazon Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OsGOD 3 Report post Posted October 30, 2008 (edited) Meh 7-1-2... (3pts shy of league lead with 2 games at hand) I would hate to see him and the rest of the team on fire! Edited October 30, 2008 by OsGOD Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rick zombo 3,739 Report post Posted October 30, 2008 you can complain at the defense, sammy, clearly, hudler etc all you want, but .879 in Save Percentage is s unacceptable. If Osgood keeps that up we might as well ride conklin for a while. Well, Conklin will have his chance tonight. If he can get a win tonight and play well he may get 60% of the starts coming up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingfan13 44 Report post Posted October 30, 2008 you can complain at the defense, sammy, clearly, hudler etc all you want, but .879 in Save Percentage is unacceptable. If Osgood keeps that up we might as well ride conklin for a while. you should expect atleast over 0.900 from a good goalie. It's hard to have a good GAA when you are always on a 5 on 3. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seeinred 1,488 Report post Posted October 30, 2008 We should waive him to alleviate our cap issues. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
McCartyFanForLife 17 Report post Posted October 30, 2008 you can complain at the defense, sammy, clearly, hudler etc all you want, but .879 in Save Percentage is unacceptable. If Osgood keeps that up we might as well ride conklin for a while. you should expect atleast over 0.900 from a good goalie. Apparently you didn't watch the game last night. Osgood kept them in the good. He made at least 3 or 4 phenomenal saves on point-blank shots last night. Penalties killed us last night and the defense is giving other teams great scoring chances. Osgood is fine, but the goalie will always be the scapegoat in Detroit... no matter how much evidence is to the contrary Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
