11/13 GDT: Red Wings 4, Lightning 3

[Guest mindfly]

Wings dominated the shots didnt they, mid 3rd it was 33-10 or something, that´s wing style hockey atleast.

[puckloo39 5,686]

Watching Hossa skate tonight I had flashbacks to Fedorov in his prime (on a night he felt like competing).

I agree... Feds was the most talented underachiever ever in the NHL. I loved watching him when he was on his game, which was pretty often.

Hossa needs to stay in Detroit, please...

[Z and D for the C 712]

watch the reaplay dumbass, im just saying the nhl refs sucks.

Could see that one coming, now soon a penalty and game will be 4-4.. you heard it here first.

Any questions?

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

The reffing is a joke whenever the Wings take a lead. And that play late where the puck hit Vinny..... how the **** is the faceoff still in the Red Wing zone?

Absolutely ridiculous.

Yeah, it doesn't make sense.

Either the puck clipped Vinny in the face and the faceoff comes out of the zone, or it was Raf's butt end that bloodied Vinny's mouth and it's a penalty on the Wings.

[BlueMonk 102]

Franzen just now: "It seems like the team with the lead gets the penalties, like they're trying to even it up."

Hit the nail on the head.

The NHL really is a garage league. Thanks, Mario. You were right.

[Guest mindfly]

It was close to a penalty on rafalski so the prediction was worth it, would be priceless if it turned out like that.

[The Mule 0]

Despite a few sketchy plays, the Wings managed to play more of their game tonight. We outshot the opponent heavily, proved we can put pucks in the net, and managed to control the play. Not to mention, our defense wasn't horrible tonight, either. Don't get me wrong, it wasn't great, but I'll take it.

[Uncle Danny 155]

Sabourin just made a ridiculous save in the Philly/Pitt shootout. Look for it on the highlight reels.

[This Is Bida 0]

I understand Mickey has to say it but sometimes when he says that hockey refs are the best of any sport, it makes me want to puke.

I do not blame ref's for teams losing games. I just don't. But overall, the officiating in hockey is downright pathetic. I'm so disgusted by it, I should probably make a post about it cause this isn't gonna get read by many people. The first original call today was pathetic. The "hook" on I think Stuart. Then the cross-checking on Tampa was pretty humorous also. But it just kept getting worse as the game went on.

Ya see, the NHL tries to say that a penalty is a penalty whenever the time is of the game. Well if that is the case then how the F*UCK was there not a hook/hold/interference on Hossa as he barreled towards an empty net? Why was there no call? I'll tell you why... because the NHL wants action-packed games. You know what else supports this theory? The puck hitting Lecavalier. Granted, it was pretty funny to see the guy try and get tough (don't get me wrong I absolutely love Lecavalier! But he's not that tough) it was sad that the puck might have actually hit him. From the replay we could not tell.

NOW, for some odd reason with 14.00 seconds left after this play the puck gets dropped INSIDE the Wings zone. So, if the puck didn't in fact hit him, then how in gods name do you miss the call of Raffy's stick drilling him in the teeth? If the puck DID go off of his mouth and up into the stands then how in the hell do you not take the face-off outside?

Basically here's my deal...

Me and my brother and father have been hockey fans ever since we were all born. My father was a pretty good player in his day and me and my brother have played very competitive hockey when we were younger (and still continue to dominate our beer leagues! ) so we understand the game better than most. One of the most frustrating things in the world is to go to a bar or to a game and listen to the hockey fans who just do not understand the actual game. All in all, my family is the die-hard hockey fan. The fan that has been there since pre-lock out. What Bettman is doing is RUINING the game of hockey and all the officials can do is follow (the) suit. It's like watching the worst sport known to man... Basketball. You don't even touch a guy without getting a foul cause all they want is slam dunks.

Truthfully it's embarassing.

Ya know what I wish? I wish I could meet Gary Bettman. I would knock that son of a b*tch out. Then I would tie him up and torture him until he begged and pleaded to turn the game back to the way it was and drop VERSUS and run back to ESPN. If he didn't... for the sake of hockey I would take him as a prisoner until some better commissioner could take the reign and turn hockey back into the sport that i love.

Cause for gods sake... It's getting really close to losing a couple more fans.

[HockeyCrazy3033 168]

YAY WINGS!

That was damn nerve wrecking at the end.

Gotta say Malts has been playing some great hockey as of late.

[BlueMonk 102]

OK, I just saw the conclusive replay. I hadn't seen that one before. Yes, he clearly kicked in the puck. Brutal call. Almost robbed. Damn.

[The Mule 0]

That "goal" definitely was not a goal. No question.

[Barrie 900]

10-2-3

Go Wings!!

[This Is Bida 0]

Despite a few sketchy plays, the Wings managed to play more of their game tonight. We outshot the opponent heavily, proved we can put pucks in the net, and managed to control the play. Not to mention, our defense wasn't horrible tonight, either. Don't get me wrong, it wasn't great, but I'll take it.

I would tempt to say they "weren't bad" up until Stuart, Mule and the other player (don't remember who it was, I think Kronwall) let the one Tampa player walk right in front of Osgood to score their 3rd goal. I mean, 3 guys standing around the peremiter just LOOKING at him and he walks right in front.

Then I totally remembered Kronwall getting completely WALKED as he just stood still on the blueline to make it 1-0. Then I remembered, they were just as bad as every other game.

Something has to be done about our defense. We can score anywhere from 3-6 goals a game but we give up anywhere from 3-7 goals a game. It's just bad. This team should be scoring the way it is, but it truthfully should be only giving up no more than 4 goals at the ABSOLUTE MOST!!!

One good thing I can say about our D is I am loving the way Stuart is fitting in. Too bad his partner, I can't say the same for at the time.

I'm just praying that this is sort of like Kronwall's sophomore slump (yes, I know he's not a sophomore but technically this would be his sophomore season INJURY FREE)

[Hockeytown0001 7,652]

Caught the 3rd period after work. Great setup by Hank to Mule for the goal!

[Doc Holiday 0]

Mule is my home boy man.

[MTU_Huskies963 398]

Haha Mike saying that if your up by 2 goals in a game you better expect a penalty, it's like it's written in the rules.

[This Is Bida 0]

That "goal" definitely was not a goal. No question.

If that's not a "kicking motion" than I don't know what the F*CK is? I'd love to been sitting there in the War Room asking them what HELL they were thinking on that one.

[Outsider 42]

OK, I just saw the conclusive replay. I hadn't seen that one before. Yes, he clearly kicked in the puck. Brutal call. Almost robbed. Damn.

Welcome (back) to the 2008 Stanley Cup Finals.

And as long as the Wings players keep talking to the Press about how "the Team that's ahead gets all the bad calls against them, because the League wants to even it up and/or wants higher scoring games", it will CONTINUE to happen. Whether it's true, or not....(and I believe there's more than a grain of truth to it)....

Keep your head down, keep your feet moving, keep your mouth SHUT.

The very LAST thing Gary Bettman wants to see is Detroit with a chance in Hell to repeat. The Wings are good enough to win despite the bad calls, they proved it during last years SCF.

They just have to quit allowing the calls against them to throw them off their Game.

[Z and D for the C 712]

I would tempt to say they "weren't bad" up until Stuart, Mule and the other player (don't remember who it was, I think Kronwall) let the one Tampa player walk right in front of Osgood to score their 3rd goal. I mean, 3 guys standing around the peremiter just LOOKING at him and he walks right in front.

Then I totally remembered Kronwall getting completely WALKED as he just stood still on the blueline to make it 1-0. Then I remembered, they were just as bad as every other game.

Something has to be done about our defense. We can score anywhere from 3-6 goals a game but we give up anywhere from 3-7 goals a game. It's just bad. This team should be scoring the way it is, but it truthfully should be only giving up no more than 4 goals at the ABSOLUTE MOST!!!

One good thing I can say about our D is I am loving the way Stuart is fitting in. Too bad his partner, I can't say the same for at the time.

I'm just praying that this is sort of like Kronwall's sophomore slump (yes, I know he's not a sophomore but technically this would be his sophomore season INJURY FREE)

They weren't just staring...they covered the other players who were also in prime position for scoring a goal. It's not the best situation to be in and that can be looked at (how it came to it) but the defense played it right after he got the puck. People may not like to admit it but that is a clutch save a good goalie is expected to make, and ozzie didn't come to the challenge.

Edited November 14, 2008 by Z and D for the C

[Yzerman191 37]

I'm still not happy with this game. As Babcock said, the guys still didn't play up to potential and the powerplay bailed us out. My mouth must've been hanging open when Pettinger (I believe) walked in for that last "goal."

On another note, I honestly don't know what's going on with the officiating, but it absolutely has to stop. I'm not typically one for conspiracy theories, but it's almost undeniable that something is going on. And I'm not talking about just the Red Wings (although I feel it's hitting us harder than most), but almost every time a team goes up they meet a barrage of penalties. Complete joke.

[This Is Bida 0]

Haha Mike saying that if your up by 2 goals in a game you better expect a penalty, it's like it's written in the rules.

He's been saying that for the past couple games now. And he's dead on. Any team that gets a lead will get a couple penalties. Tonight was a PRIME example. Tampa goes up by 2 and all of a sudden we're on a 5-3 for a extended period of time. We go up 4-2 and all of a sudden we start to get the penalties (all the while, somehow dictating all of the play). I never understood that, how does a team who's dominating play, controlling the puck get a penalty?

[CdnWingsFanEh 2]

Ok, I'm at work right now, so I didn't get to see the game, but by the sounds of it, I would have just been pissed off anyway....

Getting sick of lousy officiating...

edit: (tori) spelling

Edited November 14, 2008 by CdnWingsFanEh

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

I'd love to see a statistical analysis of penalties called in a game and the goal disparity at the time of the calls.

Because it sure seems like if a team is up a couple goals, they're probably getting the next penalty.

[DyingAlive 27]

I loved it how in the TB broadcast, one of the commentators talks about how Holmstrom is the only one that gets away with not being called on goalies interference. Then talks about how he is suprised that more teams don't try to put a man in front of the net. ...contradiction, maybe?

Pretty good game. Once TB got 3 men in the box I could tell the game was going to be ours.

Great pass by Z to the Mule. Beauty of a goal. Here's to the momentum carrying into tomorrow.