Coolio Mendez 7 Report post Posted January 24, 2009 (edited) Don't feel like reading all 20 pages, but why when something "bad" happens to a specific team or player do we all blame Bettman? Bettman (like Selig and Stern) is pretty much the league's spokesperson. He is the talking head for 30 other men who would rather not get booed out of their own arenas. He doesn't set the rules, nor does he get to vote on them (unless there's a tie). To many uneducated hockey fans. Edited January 24, 2009 by Coolio Mendez Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
esteef 2,679 Report post Posted January 24, 2009 Don't feel like reading all 20 pages, but why when something "bad" happens to a specific team or player do we all blame Bettman? You should read all 20 pages. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HenrikRules40 14 Report post Posted January 24, 2009 Don't feel like reading all 20 pages, but why when something "bad" happens to a specific team or player do we all blame Bettman? Bettman (like Selig and Stern) is pretty much the league's spokesperson. He is the talking head for 30 other men who would rather not get booed out of their own arenas. He doesn't set the rules, nor does he get to vote on them (unless there's a tie). To many uneducated hockey fans. To many uneducated hockey fans...what? Oh...you mean "too many uneducated hockey fans." Gotcha. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Never_Retire_Steve 35 Report post Posted January 24, 2009 Don't feel like reading all 20 pages, but why when something "bad" happens to a specific team or player do we all blame Bettman? Bettman (like Selig and Stern) is pretty much the league's spokesperson. He is the talking head for 30 other men who would rather not get booed out of their own arenas. He doesn't set the rules, nor does he get to vote on them (unless there's a tie). To many uneducated hockey fans. He is the face of the league, he is responsible for everything that happens, if something negative is due to someone under his power, well then it his responsibility to change that. P.S. Don't call people uneducated when you admit not doing thorough research yourself. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Seraph 240 Report post Posted January 25, 2009 Don't feel like reading all 20 pages, but why when something "bad" happens to a specific team or player do we all blame Bettman? Bettman (like Selig and Stern) is pretty much the league's spokesperson. He is the talking head for 30 other men who would rather not get booed out of their own arenas. He doesn't set the rules, nor does he get to vote on them (unless there's a tie). To many uneducated hockey fans. He is their ambassador. It's his job to represent these people and along with it, take any criticism of how things are done. Or would you like us to list all the owners each time we talk about them? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HockeytownRN 0 Report post Posted January 25, 2009 Don't feel like reading all 20 pages, but why when something "bad" happens to a specific team or player do we all blame Bettman? Bettman (like Selig and Stern) is pretty much the league's spokesperson. He is the talking head for 30 other men who would rather not get booed out of their own arenas. He doesn't set the rules, nor does he get to vote on them (unless there's a tie). To many uneducated hockey fans. Is there a course on Hockey that I don't know about? So Bettman, the league's "spokesperson" (you mean Commisioner) doesn't set the rules. Ok the GM's voted on this rule, and there is no one here that I know of disputing the rule that they should get a game suspension. Since it IS the rule, does Bettman then get to make the decision (almost a year AFTER the rule was put into effect, and the DAY before the skills competition) that the rule can be tweaked a bit so that players can opt out of suspension by showing up for media? Of course two players are by then unavailable and not even able to DEFEND themselves in the media who is bashing them? But Bettman didn't do something like that. no need to be upset with him. I suggest you read the whole thread, or at least skim through parts of it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coolio Mendez 7 Report post Posted January 25, 2009 He is the face of the league, he is responsible for everything that happens, if something negative is due to someone under his power, well then it his responsibility to change that. P.S. Don't call people uneducated when you admit not doing thorough research yourself. I understand that but people tend to over exaggerate his misques. The title of the thread said " Bettman suspends Lidstrom, Datsyuk 1 -game each" When clearly Bettmans does not hand out the suspensions. Most people who jumped on the "Dump Bettman" bandwagon have no idea what Bettman actually does, Guess I should have read all 20 pages to understand what you guys are talking about. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rivalred 630 Report post Posted January 25, 2009 (edited) I will point this out again, the fact this news has not been posted on www.nhl.com shows that Bettman does not want any negative impact on the ASG as he knew he did something wrong. The 2 players are injured and there is medical evidence. Pretty clear, cut, and dry. The players are not required to play in the ASG, as a matter of fact I thought there was a freeze on trades and etc during this time. Bettman could of easily called Holland and stated, look if your guys do not play this weekend, make sure they sit out the following game to rest up because of their injuries. Now, instead of doing that, he is trying to make an example of 2 players from the same team. Nick played the entire last game and Pavel left early during the last one, he did not even finish. Edited January 25, 2009 by Rivalred Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coolio Mendez 7 Report post Posted January 25, 2009 (edited) He is their ambassador. It's his job to represent these people and along with it, take any criticism of how things are done. Or would you like us to list all the owners each time we talk about them? Sure criticize the guy, but people on this board blow things out of proportion calling for his head. I'm not the biggest Bettman fan but he sure as hell has done more good for the game then most people have come to realize. Edited January 25, 2009 by Coolio Mendez Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shaman 713 Report post Posted January 25, 2009 Theory: if you have an infinite number of monkeys at an infinite number of keyboards my theory is 1 in 8 would be a better commissioner than Bettman... In a related story one of those other 7 monkeys in the before mentioned theory may in fact be Bettman's real father Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Never_Retire_Steve 35 Report post Posted January 25, 2009 I understand that but people tend to over exaggerate his misques. The title of the thread said " Bettman suspends Lidstrom, Datsyuk 1 -game each" When clearly Bettmans does not hand out the suspensions. Most people who jumped on the "Dump Bettman" bandwagon have no idea what Bettman actually does, Guess I should have read all 20 pages to understand what you guys are talking about. I agree people blow things out of proportion and maybe don't understand his job description but the passion people have for the game of hockey often blind people to rationalization but we have had to deal with a bunch of s*** under Bettman and people are getting pretty sick and tired of it and are just looking for excuses to get rid of him... I know I am. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BuckeyeWingsfan80 209 Report post Posted January 25, 2009 ummm hello, What's that picture have to do with anything I said? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Holiday 0 Report post Posted January 25, 2009 ummm hello, What's that picture have to do with anything I said? Reconsider playing in the NHL?? I'll give you one reason why they won't leave, and it is in that picture I posted. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Never_Retire_Steve 35 Report post Posted January 25, 2009 I don't get that picture either.. I must be slow but I love seeig pictures with this ---------> in them Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted January 25, 2009 (edited) It's amazing to me there are actually Red Wings fans who feel Lidstrom and Datsyuk got what they deserved. Anyways, the Player's Association is definitely not pleased over this, and some may feel it was a show of power by Bettman: http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2009/01/24/...llstar_weekend/ According to one source the player's union felt Bettman's suspension was a part of a hastily devised policy that came without input from the PA and that it was arbitrary as well as being patently unfair. They also felt Bettman's statement on the players' decision to extend the collective bargaining agreement was structured to read that he was pleased that the players were on board with the program as crafted by him in the wake of the lockout and that that was a subtle jab to let Kelly know who's running the show here. http://www.tsn.ca/blogs/darren_dreger/?id=264460 The National Hockey League Players Association has requested additional information from the NHL regarding the leagues intent to enforce a policy that will keep Detroit's Pavel Datsyuk and Nicklas Lidstrom out of Tuesday's game against Columbus. Unfortunatey nothing can be done before the actual game. Edited January 25, 2009 by egroen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BuckeyeWingsfan80 209 Report post Posted January 25, 2009 Reconsider playing in the NHL?? I'll give you one reason why they won't leave, and it is in that picture I posted. Could you be a LITTLE more cryptic? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puckloo39 5,686 Report post Posted January 25, 2009 Anyways, the Player's Association is definitely not pleased over this, and some may feel it was a show of power by Bettman Is it possible to move to impeach Bettman? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thedisappearer 291 Report post Posted January 25, 2009 I read the fist 4 pages, then had better things to do- what are the salary cap reprecussions of this with Franzen and Stuart missing Tuesday at Columbus? *sorry is this was covered* Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BuckeyeWingsfan80 209 Report post Posted January 25, 2009 Reconsider playing in the NHL?? I'll give you one reason why they won't leave, and it is in that picture I posted. You do realize that people from outside Canada and the US who play hockey may not hold the Cup in as high a reverence as Lids and Dats do right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ms_Hockey 0 Report post Posted January 25, 2009 You do realize that people from outside Canada and the US who play hockey may not hold the Cup in as high a reverence as Lids and Dats do right? I can't speak for the entire world, but I grew up in England, and even there, hockey players understood the magnitude of the Stanley Cup. Anybody who plays hockey understands. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Statts 4 Report post Posted January 25, 2009 (edited) You do realize that people from outside Canada and the US who play hockey may not hold the Cup in as high a reverence as Lids and Dats do right? The NHL is the cream of the crop as far as talent goes. Minus the Olympics, winning the Cup is the highest honor for a professional hockey player. I think that's the point of the picture. EDIT: Ms. H knows what the fack is up! Edited January 25, 2009 by Statts Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MIN8TV 0 Report post Posted January 25, 2009 Bettman is a weiner. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BuckeyeWingsfan80 209 Report post Posted January 25, 2009 I can't speak for the entire world, but I grew up in England, and even there, hockey players understood the magnitude of the Stanley Cup. Anybody who plays hockey understands. The world is changing. And the KHL among others are actually trying to compete. Some good to great players will gravitate to wear the money talks and they aren't treated like cheap rentals for exhibitions like what Bettman is doing here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted January 25, 2009 The world is changing. And the KHL among others are actually trying to compete. Some good to great players will gravitate to wear the money talks and they aren't treated like cheap rentals for exhibitions like what Bettman is doing here. Except the KHL can not sustain such salaries with their paltry revenues. Bettman just needs to go - get in an actual hockey guy as a commissioner, not an NBA reject, and I think the NHL can flourish again.... it is already doing so, depite Bettman. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted January 25, 2009 Except the KHL can not sustain such salaries with their paltry revenues. Bettman just needs to go - get in an actual hockey guy as a commissioner, not an NBA reject, and I think the NHL can flourish again.... it is already doing so, depite Bettman. NHL Commissioner Darren Pang? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
