Hossa to Sign Soon?

[YoungGuns1340 1]

Hudler gets all the PP time. Huds has 158 minutes of power play time to flip's 28. Huds has 22 ever strength points, flip has 25.

Filppula - 25 ES points, 720 ES minutes

Hudler - 22 ES points, 549 ES minutes

Hudler ranks 2nd in PP points, behind only Datsyuk.

Edited February 9, 2009 by YoungGuns1340

[GoWings1905 2,694]

Hudler gets all the PP time. Huds has 158 minutes of power play time to flip's 28. Huds has 22 ever strength points, flip has 25.

You further proved the point. Fil should have more points, considering he does play far more at even strength than Hudler. Hudler gets the power play time because he is a superior offensive player in every regard. I think it's Hudler, not Filppula, that deserves the chance you were harping on. Hudler is more productive than Fil in a much lesser even strength role.

Edited February 9, 2009 by GoWings1905

[Booster313 138]

If Hossa signs a long term deal here soon, I'm get a hossa tattoo on my ass.

LOL...I hope we all get to hold you to this. Is should be your profile pic for at least a week to prove it.

[Sebastian 0]

Filppula - 25 ES points, 720 ES minutes

Hudler - 22 ES points, 549 ES minutes

Hudler ranks 2nd in PP points, behind only Datsyuk.

THANK YOU Flip plays way more even strength minutes and has fewer points and on top of that when flip does play even strength he plays on a line with Hossa, Dats or Z more than Huds does.

[Z and D for the C 712]

Hasn't flip spent most of the year on the third line? (serious question, I don't know). To me it only seems that Flip has played with Hossa on the second line the past 5-10 games.

Anyway just the way flip plays makes me think (keyword there, no stats to back this up) that he'll be a better investment for the years to come. Flip holds on to the puck so strongly in the zone, and he's shown his offensive brilliance occasionally that is bound to come out some time. Look at the goal in the SCF he had. Flip has huge amounts of talent (I see soo much Datsyuk/Zetterberg/Hossa in him, more than anyone else), and is far from peaking. Hudler is the better offensive player today, but he is just about playing the best hockey he'll play (which is very good, don't get me wrong)

Also consider hudler's first NHL season was in 03, flip's in 06, and they're both the same age. Hudler has more experience, and once flip gains that same experience he'll shine way more than Hudler ever has.

Edited February 9, 2009 by Z and D for the C

[toby91_ca 620]

My numbers. I got flak for it because people didn't want to have an AHL team for a line. Well, I think it's been made perfectly clear that Helm, Leino AND Abdelkader can very much skate at the NHL level and be very effective. Ericcson as well. Please note it's under this years cap.

And to think people called me crazy and was smoking a crack pipe to think the Wings could retain Hossa, I won't name names.

Help me understand why Hudler only gets $1.5 million? He'll likely put up 60+ points this year and if so, would be a fool to sign for that amount. I understand players would want to take less to play in Detroit, but not when your salary is that low and when this is really his chance to earn some money. Him taking less and Hossa taking less or completely different situations.

Also, I think it would be a pretty big mistake to only carry 12 forwards on the roster. At that cap hit, you are really leaving no room to account for injuries and the need to call any players up.

[ComradeWasabi 109]

Hasn't flip spent most of the year on the third line? (serious question, I don't know). To me it only seems that Flip has played with Hossa on the second line the past 5-10 games.

Yeah he has, and since he's been with Hossa he's got something like a goal and 7 assists in his last 12 games.. Ken and Mick said something about it yesterday vs Edmonton, but I don't remember the specifics.

[YoungGuns1340 1]

Lets just lay out the facts here. This is what our "offensive" forwards do with their ice time:

1. Datsyuk - 1ESP per 17.8ESM

2. Hossa - 1ESP per 21.6 ESM

3. Hudler - 1ESP per 24.9ESM

4. Homer - 1ESP per 25.2 ESM

5. Cleary - 1ESP per 25.3 ESM

6. Hank - 1ESP per 25.8 ESM

7. Flip - 1ESP per 28.8

8. Franzen - 1ESP per 31.2

9. Sammy - 1ESP per 40.8 ESM

1. Datsyuk - 1 PPP per 7.521PPM

2. Hudler - 1PPP per 7.523PPM

3. Samuelsson - 1PPP per 7.7PPM

4. Hossa - 1PPP per 8.1 PPM

5. Hank - 1PPP per 8.2 PPM

6. Franzen - 1PPP per 10.5 PPM

7. Homer - 1PPP per 12PPM

8. Cleary - 1PPP per 21.3PPM

9. Flip - 1PPP per 28.5PPM (N/A)

Edited February 9, 2009 by YoungGuns1340

[thedisappearer 291]

Who wants to name the last Wings captain who wasn't drafted by the Wings?

Hint- in three years, the answer won't be Hossa. I mean, Danny Gare.

Damn, I screwed that all up.

[YoungGuns1340 1]

Yeah he has, and since he's been with Hossa he's got something like a goal and 7 assists in his last 12 games.. Ken and Mick said something about it yesterday vs Edmonton, but I don't remember the specifics.

No he hasn't. He gets double shifts with the top lines that puts his ESTOI in the Top 5 among forwards.

[Cruiser008 37]

Franzen has been AWESOME but let's not forget that he's 30 years old, so this may be his last chance at a big long-term contract. Moreover he's already won the cup, so I dunno.... I don't really see him taking a significant home-town discount.

If we can sign Hossa for 6 mil. I say do it.

[rick zombo 3,739]

nm

Edited February 9, 2009 by rick zombo

[rick zombo 3,739]

My numbers.

My dream scenario, I'm not counting on it, so don't flip out on me internet style. Either Hudler or Sammy will sign for 1.5, take whoever will. The more I look at that 6 by Ralfaski's name the more I hate it. ZDH is reunited. Leino and Hudler = Datysuk in terms of dishing the puck to the Hoss. Lebda is a floater.

Offense:

Zetterberg (6) - Datsyuk (6.7) - Holmstrom (2.25)

Hudler (1.5) - Leino (1) - Hossa (6)

Cleary (2.8) - Helm (.6) - Abdelkader (.74)

Meech (.483) - Draper (1.583) - Maltby (.883)

Defense:

Lidstrom (7.45) - Stuart (3.75)

Ralfaski (6) - Kronwall (3)

Ericcson (.9) - Lilja (1.25)

Lebda (.650)

Goalie:

Osgood (1.417)

Howard (.717)

TOTAL : 55.473 (1.4ish million UNDER this year's cap for all the "the cap is going to go down" people)

OR, Hudler gets 2.5M.

Filpulla AND Kronwall and Osgood are traded for prospects/picks, sign Samuelson for 1.5, and another forward for .5M and 1M for Conklin. You end up + .417M

Zetterberg (6) - Datsyuk (6.7) - Holmstrom (2.25)

Hudler (1.5) - Cleary (2.8) - Hossa (6)

Leino (1) - Helm (.6) - Samuelson (1.5)

Abdelkader (.74) - Draper (1.583) - Maltby (.883)

UFA (.5M)

Defense:

Lidstrom (7.45) - Stuart (3.75)

Ralfaski (6) - Lilja (1.25)

Lebda (.650) - Ericcson (.9)

Meech (.483)

Goalie:

Conklin (1M)

Howard (.717)

edit to add: Man, what I wouldn't give to see Holland's napkin/notepad I bet he screws with these scenarios 3 times a day.

Edited February 9, 2009 by rick zombo

[Slave 31]

bottom line is if we lose hudler who the hell is gonnasit in the box for all the bench minors?

[Z and D for the C 712]

Anyway back to the original topic, isn't hossa not even able to sign until a certain date? Could hossa sign right now even if he wanted to?

[The Secret 304]

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?...e=lebrun_pierre

If the Wings can resign this guy for $6M per year, they'll probably let Franzen walk.

With Leino improving, I think the Wings would love to stick with Hudler, Leino and Hossa over that same combo except with Franzen.

Hossa has been great and he has fit like a glove. They can't let this guy slip away. Hossa is a winner and I think he knows the Red Wings organization is too. I would hate to see Franzen go but given the chance to sign Hossa I think the choice is quite clear. You are right, Hudler has really come on this year and IMO Helm and Leino are ready and capable. Couldn't they trade Franzen before losing him? I guess no-one will trade for a guy who can hit the open market and risk losing him and what ever they traded for him if he doesn't stay.

[softshoes 83]

bottom line is if we lose hudler who the hell is gonnasit in the box for all the bench minors?

Finally, someone getting to the nuts and bolts of the matter. You can't just let anyone sit for the bench minors, Hudler has been special trained for this duty.

[YoungGuns1340 1]

Hasn't flip spent most of the year on the third line? (serious question, I don't know). To me it only seems that Flip has played with Hossa on the second line the past 5-10 games.

Anyway just the way flip plays makes me think (keyword there, no stats to back this up) that he'll be a better investment for the years to come. Flip holds on to the puck so strongly in the zone, and he's shown his offensive brilliance occasionally that is bound to come out some time. Look at the goal in the SCF he had. Flip has huge amounts of talent (I see soo much Datsyuk/Zetterberg/Hossa in him, more than anyone else), and is far from peaking. Hudler is the better offensive player today, but he is just about playing the best hockey he'll play (which is very good, don't get me wrong)

Also consider hudler's first NHL season was in 03, flip's in 06, and they're both the same age. Hudler has more experience, and once flip gains that same experience he'll shine way more than Hudler ever has.

1. Hudler's first season was in 2003-2004 is akin to saying Ericsson's first season of 8 games was in 2007-2008. Apparently you don't remember that far back, but that 12 game stretch saw Hudler playing on a Detroit Red Wings team that featured the likes of a rookie Kronwall, Ryan Barnes, Nate Robinson, and other Grand Rapids gems. The Wings were so decimated by injuries during that stretch that the Wings were seemingly carrying more Griffins than Red Wings on the roster. Not only was Hudler seeing minimal time, but he was doing so on less than an NHL roster.

2. Hudler is 75 days older than Filppula. A sensible mind would never assume that less than 3 months difference in age could account for a drastic difference in development.

3. This is the beauty of the internet. I can find out how many NHL minutes a guy has played in his short career. Namely, I can tell you that Filppula has played 355 more minutes over his NHL career than Hudler has. If a typical TOI average is anywhere from 13-18 minute a game, than Filppula has effectively played between 20-27 NHL games more than Hudler has. But I'm sure it was just that 03/04 stint that gave Hudler the developmental advantage.

[South Dakota wings fan 7]

...yes, but Hudler is going to cost more than Franzen. You let Franzen walk, you get nothing in return. You let Hudler walk, he gets a qualifying offer, you get compensated with draft picks...

...which one makes more sense?

I agree, with taking compensation for Hudler. It's the only way to get something out of one of your current assets.

Personally, I would be ok trading Flip if it meant keeping Mule and Hossa.

Edited February 9, 2009 by South Dakota wings fan

[thedisappearer 291]

1. Hudler's first season was in 2003-2004 is akin to saying Ericsson's first season of 8 games was in 2007-2008. Apparently you don't remember that far back, but that 12 game stretch saw Hudler playing on a Detroit Red Wings team that featured the likes of a rookie Kronwall, Ryan Barnes, Nate Robinson, and other Grand Rapids gems. The Wings were so decimated by injuries during that stretch that the Wings were seemingly carrying more Griffins than Red Wings on the roster. Not only was Hudler seeing minimal time, but he was doing so on less than an NHL roster.

2. Hudler is 75 days older than Filppula. A sensible mind would never assume that less than 3 months difference in age could account for a drastic difference in development.

3. This is the beauty of the internet. I can find out how many NHL minutes a guy has played in his short career. Namely, I can tell you that Filppula has played 355 more minutes over his NHL career than Hudler has. If a typical TOI average is anywhere from 13-18 minute a game, than Filppula has effectively played between 20-27 NHL games more than Hudler has. But I'm sure it was just that 03/04 stint that gave Hudler the developmental advantage.

PWNED.

Well done, sir.

[LIDSTROM-YZERMAN4PRESIDENT 0]

If the Wings can only sign one right now, I think its got to be Hossa. Dollar for dollar I think he is better than Franzen, not to say the Mule is not freakin awesome. Plus Hossa might take another pay cut to be on a cup contender for 2010

[Grim 5]

Here's a BIG if...

if Hossa's camp knows they can't exceed Z's 6.08M Cap number AND they are still willing to talk... look out!

[Z and D for the C 712]

1. Hudler's first season was in 2003-2004 is akin to saying Ericsson's first season of 8 games was in 2007-2008. Apparently you don't remember that far back, but that 12 game stretch saw Hudler playing on a Detroit Red Wings team that featured the likes of a rookie Kronwall, Ryan Barnes, Nate Robinson, and other Grand Rapids gems. The Wings were so decimated by injuries during that stretch that the Wings were seemingly carrying more Griffins than Red Wings on the roster. Not only was Hudler seeing minimal time, but he was doing so on less than an NHL roster.

2. Hudler is 75 days older than Filppula. A sensible mind would never assume that less than 3 months difference in age could account for a drastic difference in development.

3. This is the beauty of the internet. I can find out how many NHL minutes a guy has played in his short career. Namely, I can tell you that Filppula has played 355 more minutes over his NHL career than Hudler has. If a typical TOI average is anywhere from 13-18 minute a game, than Filppula has effectively played between 20-27 NHL games more than Hudler has. But I'm sure it was just that 03/04 stint that gave Hudler the developmental advantage.

I'm not going so much by nhl season/nhl experience, that's not the key, but just the fact that he was called up when he was younger is a testament to the fact that hudler has more experience and/or developed at a younger age/developed quicker. So I'm not saying Hudler's 12 games in 2003 was such a huge developmental advantage.

Their date of birth has little to do with it. It's not like everyone has the exact same development growing up. Maybe hudler started playing at a younger age. Zetterberg and Hossa are one year apart, and they're equal in skill but Hossa came into the league much earlier. I'm not saying because Hudler is 75 days older or whatever it is he is more developed. You're looking at this way too linearly.

Case in point not all players progress at the same rate. Our entire team is the epitome of this. Having said that, it's my belief that Flip has much more potential than Hudler, but hudler has progressed quicker than Flip but in a few years flip will be the better player.

Edited February 9, 2009 by Z and D for the C

[Z and D for the C 712]

PWNED.

Well done, sir.

Um...

...

Why don't you just run along..

[Echolalia 2,961]

Who said that Hossa can't earn more than 6M in Detroit? Or is this one of those, "well if he does, we won't be able to sign anyone else" kinda things.