Aussie_Wing 354 Report post Posted February 9, 2009 I'm guessing there will be a lot of disappointed people on here when Flip is a Wing in 2009/10. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z and D for the C 712 Report post Posted February 9, 2009 ^ Hossa is basically a massive upgrade on Flip, so keeping Hudler would serve the team better than keeping Flip. If Hossa is "just" an upgraded flip, what happens when flip comes into him own? (and you know he will) I'm sure he won't be as amazing as hossa, but he'll be better than hudler. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nev 1,085 Report post Posted February 9, 2009 Well, we would have Hossa to shut down those top forwards. Hossa is basically a massive upgrade on Flip, so keeping Hudler would serve the team better than keeping Flip. Well, by your own logic, Hossa is a massive upgrade over Hudler, so why keep Hudler? And Hossa is plays wing, not centre. He doesn't take face-offs, and whilst not downplaying his defensive ability, he wouldn't be matched up against the opposing centre like Flip was against Malkin. Under the system the Wings play, the onus is on the centre to be the main back-checking forward. Dats has gone on record as saying that he prefers Z being at centre and himself at LW because he doesn't have to back-check as hard. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maltbyrocks18 0 Report post Posted February 9, 2009 i feel ultimately all of this crazy who stays who goes bizz is all too soon to tell. just think about last year, and think about how much has changed. this time last year no one knew if osgood or hasek was going to be the man come playoff time, and osgoods play last post season is a huge reason for his signing. also, i don't believe a soul had a clue this time last year that franzen would put up the monster numbers he did. Then you got stuarts great play for us and all the other stand outs and it really made a difference when it came down to the off season. What if franzen gets healthy and dominates again this playoffs??? what if hossa chokes randomly???? what if filp redeems him self with some playoff heroism, or anyone else like huds or sammy??? A big factor i haven't heard anyone mention is a goaltending for next year. What if conklin dominates in the playoffs and oz never returns to form?? do you let conks go still??? you never know. IMO, i feel we all need to just be grateful we can watch these guys for the rest of the year, see how this ridiculous roller coaster plays out and work from there. GO WINGS! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xBrave_Heartx 0 Report post Posted February 9, 2009 I dont know how i feel if we signed Hossa instead of Franzen. Even though Franzen isn't a punishing physical specimen. He still has great size and plays the body alot more then Hossa. I cant argue with results though Hossa is a scoring machine and best of all.. isn't an injury waiting to happen. If i had my choice I'd rather sign Huds and Franzen over Hossa.. But either way i wont be disappointed, It's a great problem to have. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Datsyerberger 279 Report post Posted February 9, 2009 Damn, and here I was all excited for some legitimate source. Can I get some E4s with this please? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted February 9, 2009 Both Hudler and Filppula were born in '84 and Hudler has outperformed Filppula every year in both the AHL and NHL, and usually with less minutes. How and when is Filppula ever going to be better than him? When Filppula is playing 30 minutes a game and Hudler is still at 13 minutes? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xBrave_Heartx 0 Report post Posted February 9, 2009 (edited) I'm guessing there will be a lot of disappointed people on here when Flip is a Wing in 2009/10. Which is ridiculous. He's a good skater, he has offensive instict, he is a scoring line player, throw him on a line with Sammy and Cleary, of course he isn't going to make much happen. Lately with Hossa he's been pretty solid. has 6 goals 20 assist, only 10 points to go to match last years total of points. He's not an elite talent, but he's a good set up man when he has people to set up. Both Hudler and Filppula were born in '84 and Hudler has outperformed Filppula every year in both the AHL and NHL, and usually with less minutes. How and when is Filppula ever going to be better than him? When Filppula is playing 30 minutes a game and Hudler is still at 13 minutes? 2 different players, Val isn't known as a goal scorer, he's a 2-way forward. something Hudler is not.. Hudler wont be on the ice when Crosby/Malkin come to town. Val will be shutting down one of them. Edited February 9, 2009 by xBrave_Heartx Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted February 9, 2009 2 different players, Val isn't known as a goal scorer, he's a 2-way forward. something Hudler is not.. Hudler wont be on the ice when Crosby/Malkin come to town. Val will be shutting down one of them. Hudler is a better scorer and playmaker than Filppula - a lot better. Filppula is definitely better defensively, but on a team of defensively responsible forwards, that is facing the impending loss of 2-3 offensively gifted forwards, I think Hudler easily has more value for this team. I like Filppula a lot and think he has a lot to offer both now and into the future, but I have a hard time valuing him higher than Hossa, Franzen or Hudler. If trading Filppula means you can keep two of those three (or even all of them), plus whatever you get for Filppula, it is an easy decision in my mind. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,949 Report post Posted February 9, 2009 If you prefer, I can quote all of the psots that show hoe dumb yours are. Or, I can just say PWNED and save us all some time. ...how about just being an adult and saying the actual word, instead of this immature jibberish that is supposed to mean something... ...the jibberish PWNED doesn't even have a real meaning let alone a pronunciation... ...Back on topic. Hossa is priority 1! If we get him for $6 (which is what I have been saying for weeks, but someone has called me dillusional for it. Is this reporter also? Or since he works for ESPN, now it's a possiblity? Just keep your man-love alive for Hudler.) then we should be able to sign Franzen OR Hudler, but not both, unless Filppula is traded... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,949 Report post Posted February 9, 2009 Which is ridiculous. He's a good skater, he has offensive instict, he is a scoring line player, throw him on a line with Sammy and Cleary, of course he isn't going to make much happen. Lately with Hossa he's been pretty solid. has 6 goals 20 assist, only 10 points to go to match last years total of points. He's not an elite talent, but he's a good set up man when he has people to set up. 2 different players, Val isn't known as a goal scorer, he's a 2-way forward. something Hudler is not.. Hudler wont be on the ice when Crosby/Malkin come to town. Val will be shutting down one of them. ..uh, I highly doubt they will be coming to town anytime in the near future. they'll be luck to make the playoffs, let alone all the way to the Cup finals... ...but your point is well taken, I too would choose Filppula over Hudler... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FireCaptain 563 Report post Posted February 9, 2009 Yeah, people are breaking down the doors and blowing up the phones in a rush to be first in line for the rights to trade for Osgood. Everyone wants the goalie who's ranked damn near last in the NHL with an .880sv% and a 3.29gaa. Seriously, where do you people get these ideas? http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id=8458568&view=stats Filpulla AND Kronwall and Osgood are traded for prospects/picks, sign Samuelson for 1.5, and another forward for .5M and 1M for Conklin. You end up + .417M Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted February 9, 2009 Flip > Hudler, at the same price. Flip just needs a chance, and he's not puny. I have to assume you're basing that equation on height. Otherwise it's retarded. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted February 9, 2009 I used to be by far, the biggest Hudler hater on this sight. But after the way he's played in the playoffs and this season, there is not one reason that Fillpula should be kept over Hudler. Espicially not potential, that is bull. If Fillpula is better then Hudler in 3 years, cool. He'll be good then, but the Wings, yeah they like winning cups, and putting players on the ice that can do the best job of that. Hudler 22 GP - 5g 9a Fillpula 22 GP 5g 6a Fillpula played much more minutes last year as he was a key defensive presence. But we dont need that anymore. Zetterberg and Datsyuk will probably anchor there own line, and if not Franzen and Hossa is good enough to shut down the opponent. And to make sure I dont mess up my grit rep, I'd take Mike Richards over both of these bums anyways! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Duck Guy 86 Report post Posted February 9, 2009 Damn, and here I was all excited for some legitimate source. Can I get some E4s with this please? sorry i only trust e5s Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted February 9, 2009 (edited) Double post. Sorry. Edited February 9, 2009 by Drake_Marcus Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted February 9, 2009 (edited) I'm guessing there will be a lot of disappointed people on here when Flip is a Wing in 2009/10. If that means we let Hudler go to keep Filppula then yeah, I'll be pissed. 3 million $ is way too much to pay a 3rd line centre used in a shut-down role. Cleary and Fippula add up to $5.8 million for a pair of pk specialists with offensive ability. That'd be fine if we weren't looking at a front-loaded team that spends 18.7 million $ on three two-way offensive dynamos. At this point we stand to lose more in the long run by keeping Filppula around at 3 million $ waiting for his role to be given to him. But let's put that alllll aside, ok? Let's assume Filppula and Hudler both make $1 a year and one has to go for some other reason. They're both the same age and both great players. One has a ton more offensive upside than the other and the other guy has a ton more defensive upside and speed. How do you chose which one to let go? You have to think about which one is easier to replace. Hudler: Mid to high end offensive player (high end being the upside). Comparable prospects in the Wings system that are ready to go in the next 2 years: Zero. Val: Two way forward with speed and a little bit of offensive upside. Comparable prospects in the Wings system that are ready to go in the next 2 years: Four. Edited February 9, 2009 by Drake_Marcus Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest EZBAKETHAGANGSTA Report post Posted February 9, 2009 Mike Richards. I lol'ed Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted February 9, 2009 Out of idle curiosity, just where in the hell did this view of Franzen come up? Because he didn't want to bend over for Holland and take a long-term rock bottom rogering like Lebda did? Maybe, just maybe, he and his agent realized that he was more than a mere career scrub. And even the "money grubbing" that he did only amounted to a roughly $900K salary. I highly doubt Kenny feels cheated by what he got out of Franzen for that deal. It's was well known at the time when Franzen signed his original extension that his agent was playing real hardball and made it absolute hell to get a checking line player with little to no offensive upside signed for $900k. I assure you that he didn't have a crystal ball that told him of Mule's future goal scoring prowess. No one knew he was capable of that- hell the last time he was known for scoring was in his early teens. I wouldn't call his agent 'money grubbing' but reports coming from the negotiations frequently alluded to or spoke directly of how difficult it was to get Franzen for that number. And Franzen's contract was certainly not a hometown discount based on the situation when it was signed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grim 5 Report post Posted February 9, 2009 I don't understand all this bickering.. Filppula + Hudler << Hossa + whatever we get in trade for Filppula this summer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted February 9, 2009 Mike Richards. Malkin was never the same, we could've moved Samuelsson to center and he would've handled Malkin 5on5. The goal afterwards was the only positive thing he did, after that hit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted February 9, 2009 So, even though he scored directly after that hit, that hit is the only reason he was not successful against the Wings? REALLY? The team he was playing against that shut down his whole team except one player (Marian Hossa, maybe Crosby wasn't shut down but he wasn't himself). Right, that one hit, in which he scored what 12 seconds later, is the reason he was invisible in the SCF and had the Wings put a pylon on the ice he still couldn't have scored, Yeah that's the ticket! (In my best Jon Lovitz) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoWings1905 2,694 Report post Posted February 9, 2009 I'm guessing there will be a lot of disappointed people on here when Flip is a Wing in 2009/10. Probably true, but even moreso disappointed that Fil is still around and potentially Franzen and Hudler are not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doggy 130 Report post Posted February 9, 2009 Mike Richards. QFT. Malkin wasn't the same after Richards was finished with him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VM1138 1,921 Report post Posted February 9, 2009 Probably true, but even moreso disappointed that Fil is still around and potentially Franzen and Hudler are not. Exactly. None of us "hate" Flip, I don't think. I'd love for him to stay on this roster. But push come to shove, when you have to make the best team out of limited roster space and cap space, keeping Flip while letting Franzen and Hudler go is a mistake. Especially if we lose Franzen first, there's no excuse for not keeping Hudler over Flip. Flip will never develop here. He could be great somewhere else, but he won't be here. He's a good player, but that's all he'll ever be here, and we need to keep players who could potentially be great, like Hudler. I would imagine that with a year under his belt, Leino would be filling Flips role pretty well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
