Trade Deadline

[RusDRW 155]

I hope we get Neil at the trade dealine. Something around 2nd round peak would go to Senators. Neil is making 1.2M this season and we can accommodate it.

[joshy207 156]

I also doubt the Wings will be making any trades. If... IF... they acquire anyone, he'd pretty much have to be a pending UFA. And with Helm, Leino, Ericsson, and even Abdelkader able to step in and play, why should they rent somebody from outside the organization? I'd much rather see our current assets gain some playoff experience.

[Guest mindfly]

Clemmensen for Lebda/Meech + pick, or something? They need a puck moving defenseman.

Everyone is laughing at red wings goalie situation, just go on TSN and hear what they are saying, it ain't pretty, but it's all true.

[Glubki 17]

Clemmensen for Lebda/Meech + pick, or something? They need a puck moving defenseman.

Everyone is laughing at red wings goalie situation, just go on TSN and hear what they are saying, it ain't pretty, but it's all true.

New Jersey isn't going to move Clemmensen at the deadline this year given how he has played.

[Winged_Wheeler 3]

You never tell people someone you want to trade is overpaid, not living up to his potential, how do you expect them to unload him

Well, I remember when Zetterberg and Datsyuk were Filppula's age. Did they shoot a lot? No. Did they pass the puck a lot? Yes. Why? That's the European style hockey. Don't you remember the Russian Five? All passing and then looking for the opening lane. Filppula's going to be great some day and everyone will love him.

Oh yeah...

[Guest EZBAKETHAGANGSTA]

Exactly, Flip is here to stay for a long time.

*If* we were to trade anyone off the roster, I think it would be either Kop or Hudler. But both make so little, I doubt Holland will let them go anywhere. I *HIGHLY* doubt we make any trades at all this season.

I Think your an idiot for even thinking of Hudler. There is so many things wrong with that assesment

1) Hudler would help more in the playoff more than anything we could expect in a trade.

2) As you stated he makes next to nothing, and is an impending RFA.

3)Being a RFA if we ARE going to lose him, WHICH IS SOMETHING WE ARE TRYING TO AVOID AT ALL COSTS, we will get at least a 1st, 2nd, and a 3rd (We will match anything under that). Hudler very well may be gone next year, but not by trade. Holland is not going to trend a 70-80 point player (which he will be next year Easily) at the deadline for nothing.

It's ok if you don't like Hudler, though I can't figure out why anyone would, but at least look at simple logic

[Guest EZBAKETHAGANGSTA]

Well, I remember when Zetterberg and Datsyuk were Filppula's age. Did they shoot a lot? No. Did they pass the puck a lot? Yes. Why? That's the European style hockey. Don't you remember the Russian Five? All passing and then looking for the opening lane. Filppula's going to be great some day and everyone will love him.

Oh yeah...

Flipulla will never be on the same level as Zetterberg or Pavel, he simply does not have the skill set or natural talent.

He very well may be a 60 point devensivly responsible second line center ala a Michael Handzus/Brendan Morrison.

No one is saying Val is bad, in fact he is a very very good young player, but he is simply NOT WHAT THE WINGS NEED.

We have 3 Selke Canidates on the team allready, coupled with either one of Hossa/Franzen returning, Cleary, most probably Sammy, and Helm next year.

Flip would be MUCH more valuable to another team then he is here, other teams know this, we could get very very good return for him.

[Guest mindfly]

New Jersey isn't going to move Clemmensen at the deadline this year given how he has played.

Brodeur is soon ready for a comeback and he is the number one no matter how good clemmensen has played, and they got a decent backup goalie in weekes already... i think they would consider it if they got the d-man type they wanted.

[talex 1]

I don't see any moves being made, the team is very solid other than D and Goalie. If they are to make a move it would make the most sense to pick up a goalie, it is either that or let Conks finish out the season, giving him a real shot as starter to see if he can handle it full time. Ozzie might very well step up in the playoffs, but he might not which is a HUGE risk to take with this team. I see the wings as a team that can give up 2 goals a game and win, they have not been doing this... seems like 3+ goals a game has become the norm and that to me is the only scarry thing. The offense is fine and I do not mind putting a 3 goal a game weight on their shoulders, but right now it does not seem Ozzie (and to some degree Conks) is capable of keeping oponents to 2 with any consistency. So to me the only pick up prior to the deadline that would make sense would be a goalie, we have Downey and Mac if we want to add 4th line punishers and a plethra of talents at forward/center in Leino, Helm, Abdelkader and a couple guys that can play D in Errikson and Kopechky. That's my take.

[Glubki 17]

Brodeur is soon ready for a comeback and he is the number one no matter how good clemmensen has played, and they got a decent backup goalie in weekes already... i think they would consider it if they got the d-man type they wanted.

I think Weekes will be the one they try to offload. Moving Clemmensen after how well he has played would be a risky gamble if Brodeur struggles or gets re-injured. They have over two million in cap space to play with so they can afford a rental player without moving Clemmensen. I doubt if Lebda would peak would their interest anyways.

[imisssergei 0]

The biggest deal that the Wings have made at the deadline that worked? I'd say it's a toss-up....

In 96-97, the Wings traded for Murphy. At the time, Murphy had 39 points, he only finished with 43 points, one of his worst seasons.

Or...

In 07-08, the Wings traded for Stuart. Stuart brought a more physical game to Detroit.

IMO, neither trade was a real big splash but points out what the Wings like to do and what works.

Don't give up a roster player, get someone who fills a hole, fits into your system well, and who has the potential to stay with your club beyond the playoff run.

Nothing big will be done. I would be be surprised to see a goaltender and/or dman were brought in. But I wouldn't be surprised if no one was brought in.

[Wingsallwin 0]

I don't see any moves being made, the team is very solid other than D and Goalie. If they are to make a move it would make the most sense to pick up a goalie, it is either that or let Conks finish out the season, giving him a real shot as starter to see if he can handle it full time. Ozzie might very well step up in the playoffs, but he might not which is a HUGE risk to take with this team. I see the wings as a team that can give up 2 goals a game and win, they have not been doing this... seems like 3+ goals a game has become the norm and that to me is the only scarry thing. The offense is fine and I do not mind putting a 3 goal a game weight on their shoulders, but right now it does not seem Ozzie (and to some degree Conks) is capable of keeping oponents to 2 with any consistency. So to me the only pick up prior to the deadline that would make sense would be a goalie, we have Downey and Mac if we want to add 4th line punishers and a plethra of talents at forward/center in Leino, Helm, Abdelkader and a couple guys that can play D in Errikson and Kopechky. That's my take.

D is not a huge problem if we consider our goalie situation. We let the fewest shots against in the league right now. Nick is not in his prime but he is still really good. And Lilja is good. Raff and Kronwall are concerned but you cannot call them totally bad.

Bold part again and again. No guarantee Osgood will well step up in the playoffs. Playoff is a defensive game. Who cares if we can score 5 or 6 goals in the regular season. While other teams' goalies will step up in the playoff, we cannot expect that from Osgood right now.

If Osgood starts the playoff, which is likely to happen, I will feel same way when Hasek was in the net last season. I thought Osgood would be better because he had better stats and more solid. This season is different than that because at least both Hasek and Osgood were good in the regular season. I don't see Osgood will go far in the playoff. If playoff is tomorrow, no surprise even though Osgood is pulled out in 3 or 4 games in round number 1.

[Wingsallwin 0]

The biggest deal that the Wings have made at the deadline that worked? I'd say it's a toss-up....

In 96-97, the Wings traded for Murphy. At the time, Murphy had 39 points, he only finished with 43 points, one of his worst seasons.

Or...

In 07-08, the Wings traded for Stuart. Stuart brought a more physical game to Detroit.

IMO, neither trade was a real big splash but points out what the Wings like to do and what works.

Don't give up a roster player, get someone who fills a hole, fits into your system well, and who has the potential to stay with your club beyond the playoff run.

Nothing big will be done. I would be be surprised to see a goaltender and/or dman were brought in. But I wouldn't be surprised if no one was brought in.

I think Stuart was a big piece for us. It does not matter how many points he produced but he brought up some physical play in Wings D, which was not there before he came.

I am not gonna be surprised if Kenny makes moves on goalies. Trade Dead line is March 4th and tons of time is still left. If Kenny still thinks neither goalie will play well in the playoff, we have to trade for goalie.

[YoungGuns1340 1]

I think Stuart was a big piece for us. It does not matter how many points he produced but he brought up some physical play in Wings D, which was not there before he came.

I am not gonna be surprised if Kenny makes moves on goalies. Trade Dead line is March 4th and tons of time is still left. If Kenny still thinks neither goalie will play well in the playoff, we have to trade for goalie.

I really don't think we will, to be honest, unless Holland doesn't mind having the goalie saga part 2 and carry 3 goalies. Holland will not trade Osgood ever again, and I can't see Holland trading Conklin either, out of respect to a guy who has been an integral part of our team this year and who signed for the express purpose of strengthening our cup chances.

With that said, a random idea might be one of Philly's goaltenders, Biron or Niitymaki. 1) Both are "Red Wings goaltenders," meaning they're not great, but can come up when needed, which would provide a slight upgrade for us in net. 2) They also don't have the ego to create havoc in the dressing room if we were to carry three goaltenders (from what I've heard, they're both really well liked in the dressing room), and we could use them to push one another to play their best 3) They're UFAs 4) They wouldn't cost too much since neither are the be all and end all of a playoff run to most teams 5) Philly not only needs cap space, but they're also seeking another Top 4 Dman, and they could see moving one of their goaltenders to create space/add a Dman as more crucial than retaining both goalies or avoiding a trade with a fellow Stanley Cup competitor. But I'm just thinking "out loud" here.

Again, I don't think thats really going to happen - we've had holes in the past going into the playoffs that Holland knew of and failed to address - and I think thats going to be the case this year. We have problems in net, and have had them all season long, but I just can't see us doing anything about it other than hoping for the best in a close-your-eyes-tight-and-cross-your-fingers kind of way. I think this is going to be a deadline similar to 2006. We desperately needed grit up front, on the back end, and we really needed another Top 4 Dman after Fischer went down. Our bottom 4 that year was old Chelios, rookie Lebda, a much worse Andreas Lilja, and, for all intents and purposes, a rookie Niklas Kronwall who was still recovering from a big injury. It was obvious we were soft all over and weak on the back end, and Kenny's solution was Cory Cross. Thats kind of what I expect to see this year, if we make any additions at all.

Edited February 14, 2009 by YoungGuns1340

[sureWhyNot 19]

Oh yeah...

Other memorable Red Wing playoff goals by guys CRUCIAL to the team, and whose carreers flourished here for many 'o years:

(Robert Lang and Mathieu Schneider's huge goals in Game 4 against San Jose)

(Martin Lapointe's goal against Philadelphia in game 3 of the 97 SCF)

I was going to include a couple of Justin William's goals but I think you get what I am trying to say. And please, I repeat please do not even attempt to compare Flip to either Dats or Zetterberg in terms of production at any point in their careers:

Valtteri Filppula:

2006-07 DET 73 games 10 goals 7 assists 17 points

2007-08 DET 78 19 17 36

2008-09 DET 56 6 21 27 *26 Games remaining

Pavel Datsyuk

2001-02 DET 70 games 11 goals 24 assists 35 points

2002-03 DET 64 12 39 51

2003-04 DET 75 30 38 68

Henrik Zetterberg:

2002-03 DET 79 games 22 goals 22 assists 44 points

2003-04 DET 61 15 28 43

2005-06 DET 77 39 46 85

[DatsDanglez 0]

I wouldn't lose any sleep over the wings trading Sammy @ the deadline. He has been lookin' better this year than in past seasons, but we will lose him to free agency come July 1st. We can get a pick for him and we have the talent in Grand Rapids to fill his hole, but i doubt we will trade him though. Just an idea...

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

A Neil/Roberts/Nolan type is the only thing I can imagine Holland even being remotely interested in.

[ComradeWasabi 109]

I wouldn't lose any sleep over the wings trading Sammy @ the deadline. He has been lookin' better this year than in past seasons, but we will lose him to free agency come July 1st. We can get a pick for him and we have the talent in Grand Rapids to fill his hole, but i doubt we will trade him though. Just an idea...

Trading him for a pick before a playoff run makes no sense.

[dallas27 7]

Well, I remember when Zetterberg and Datsyuk were Filppula's age. Did they shoot a lot? No. Did they pass the puck a lot? Yes. Why? That's the European style hockey. Don't you remember the Russian Five? All passing and then looking for the opening lane. Filppula's going to be a great second line center who amasses 55 points and everyone already does love him.

Oh yeah...

Fixed.

Ahhhhhhhh yes, the infamous "Bobby Orr" goal that vaulted Flip to superstar status here. Notice how both Orr AND Flip shot the puck before they went flying. Except Orr's won a Stanley Cup.

Flip is a jack of all trades player. Does everything well but nothing exceptional. And quite frankly seems lost and confused in the offensive zone when he's out there with Hossa, Zetterberg, or Datsyuk.

Nothing against the guy but Hossa + Hudler > Hossa + Flip. Only problem with the former is that you have to trade Flip.

[Reilly 24]

A Neil/Roberts/Nolan type is the only thing I can imagine Holland even being remotely interested in.

Correct.

[Guest EZBAKETHAGANGSTA]

Shooop right over your head...

I hate to be grammar police, I understand this is just a random message forum and people don't really care, but c'mon... it's a HUGE pet peeve of mine when someone can't even use *your / you're* correctly; *your* is spelled *you're* (you are)

Your (not you're) reading comprehensions isn't very sharp either. If you had read my ENTIRE post and actually used your brain to comprehend it, you'd understand that I didn't say Hudler SHOULD be traded. My point was that he's as likely to get traded as Filppula (which is slim-to-none). Big difference there, squirt.

Okay, carry on.

You obviosuly don't hate to be it, because thats the only way you can make an illusion to you winning an arguement. Way to contradict yourself shirlock. PROOFREAD THIS POST MORE, MAYBE SOMEONE WILL CONFUSE YOUR OBESSEION TO IMPRESS PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD AS INTELLIGENCE (I doubt it though).Don't insult me or the average knoweldge of the poster by making up claims, we both know I know the diffirence, but idiotic people like you don't deserve me proofreading. Im stuck on AIm talk buddy.

As for my comprehension skills, YOU SAID YOU THOUGHT HUDLER WOULD BE TRADED; too which I pointed out valid reasons to which he would not be... You are now implying that Holland would make a dumb mistake, and so therefore implying that you have more hockey knoweldge than Holland.

FAIL (insert smiley face as a pathetic way of signifiying that I somehow made a relevant point)

Btw I didn't proofread it, make another attempt oh powerful one who thinks Holland would make that dumb of a trade

[Dabura 12,232]

Neil plz.

[Guest EZBAKETHAGANGSTA]

can mods merge this and the other one?