Kesler and Burrows talking trash about Backes' wife

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

It's hockey. Even Wayne Gretzky told people they were f***ers and had nasty azz wives. It happens, no big deal.

[Heroes of Hockeytown 694]

Why not just get the hell out there (like the Detroit Red Wings) and play your damn game?

What makes you so certain the Wings don't engage in this kind of trash talk? I'm sure Maltby's had some good ones.

[Kronthewall55 14]

It's unfortunate that the broadcast picked up what was said(although i find it personally hillarious) but this is different than what happened with avery. avery, like others had said, was a pre planned event in an interview. This was typical hockey trash talk. to some who haven't played the game in a competitive full contact level, it may come as a shocker, but this is not even bad compared to what else is said. I myself took pride on getting the best opposing players kicked out of the game for trying to take a swing at me after me digging in to them every faceoff with horrible comments. Its just what goes down. i myself would keep the wives out of things, but hey, it happens. Im sure backes had choice words towards them before that which wasn't picked up that were just as rude.

its hockey.

and i love it.

maybe have a 7 second delay to bleep out what's needed?

[Hockeytown0001 7,652]

[Kronthewall55 14]

you may think family is off limit when it comes to chirping but avery, burrows, ott, etc. don't, there's always someone willing to go that extra little bit... it always amazes me when people act like they are shocked because something cruel was said, the fact that it happened in a hockey game with absolutely no real meaning whatsoever other than to razzle the other player a little bit is just bonus... get over it lol

see that's exactly it, burrows and the rest don't even mean it at all, their just throwing out there what ever they think might throw a player off his game. its the nature of competition. In most cases, these comments are toward people who have a reputation of being a hothead and so the players try to exploit it. nothing more to it.

[Kronthewall55 14]

[Guest Shoreline]

What makes you so certain the Wings don't engage in this kind of trash talk? I'm sure Maltby's had some good ones.

Only way to find out is for them to let us in on the mics. I'd pay.

[hillbillywingsfan 794]

Only way to find out is for them to let us in on the mics. I'd pay.

that would be awesome if it were a separate subscription with center ice where you got the mic on all the games. thats would rock!!!!!

[55fan 5,133]

Once again, "time and place".

I'm sure if the guys met Ms. Backes on the street, they'd be quite cordial. On the ice is another story.

Some people like it; some don't. This particular conversation was not intended for our ears. It was on-ice banter. Banter with a purpose. If a guy gets off his game, he is eliminated from the play until he gets his wits about him. That one or two seconds might allow for a puck to be stolen, or a shot or pass to be made. Think of it as a verbal check.

What gets under people's skins? Religion. Politics. Race. Family. There's no time to have a great religious or political discussion on the ice. "Hey, Tootoo, transubstantiation is erroneous doctrine" is not going to cause him to stop what he's doing, although it might confuse him. "Pronger supports economic sanctions against North Korea" is equally stupid. Race is too general. If you drag down an individual because of his race, you drag down the whole race, including your fans of that race. Big no-no.

That pretty much leaves family. It's a sure-fire way to get someone. By the time they reach the pros, they've probably heard it all. They know what's coming, and how they're supposed to ignore it. If they don't, they lose.

I've never played hockey, but I hear it at work. Again, time and place. It is reserved for non-work related chatter amongst like-minded people. You do it when and where it is appropriate, and around people who are expecting it. Sometimes it's a riot.

[zettie85 106]

Now this is a piece of absolute, mature brilliance. Know what I mean? Know what I mean?

...jeezuss, I do believe some of you are still in the pubescent stage of life. Even if you're 30 years old.

I love pro hockey. And I know I have no control over what happens on the ice. But I say that any player who is so desperate as to attack wives and/or families is mostly showing his own insecurities about his play and whether he can cut it on the ice. Otherwise, why bother? Why not just get the hell out there (like the Detroit Red Wings) and play your damn game? Show them up the way you're supposed to, like you've been trained to do most of your whole life?

I don't care if it happens 40 out of 60 minutes of ice time and that it starts in high school and is ingrained.. It's stupid. It's a kind of insecure cheapshotting. It's ugly in too many ways to count.

Burrows scored 28 goals this year. Not sure he is feeling insecure. haha.

[zettie85 106]

Prolly the best video I've ever seen! haha Thanks for posting it.

[OsGOD 3]

lol tsk tsk Ryan watch your language... somethings never change

[kozac 10]

A few years ago, maybe 2003? There was a series on ESPN called "The Season" In one of the installments they followed the Detroit Red Wings. You guys should watch it if you can ever find it. The way the Wings gave it to Forsberg was unbelievable, I almost felt sorry for the guy.

"Say Hi to Kelly" "Kelly is a great gal" ??? You guys are taking offense to that? That almost sounds like a complement.

Every team talks trash, and nothing is off limits, its a part of the game. Oh how I'm sick of this political correctness...

[Frozen-Man 144]

ahahahaaahahhaha

never touched the ice in your life i'd imagine

Don't be so pathetic. How come anyone who happens to disagree with you must have "never touched the ice?" I made a legitimate point regarding that I think trash talking is fine but I don't like when players are vulgar towards another person's wife. It is stupid and very narrow minded of you to think that "no one who has ever played hockey could possibly have a problem with vulgar things said about a person's wife." I have a hard time seeing Yzerman or Lids saying such things and think that they probably disapprove of such behavior as well (just my opinion on what they think). It is silly beyond belief for you to think that just because a person believes that certain things are unbecoming that they have never played hockey. Is there much that is a sign of a weak intellectual mind, with no ability to articulate and defend a position than to say "I don't agree with you so rather than defend my point of view I'm going to claim that you have never played hockey."

I have a couple of very specific questions for you to answer. Do you have a problem with them trash talking and bringing race into the thrash talk? Do you think that it is OK to rip on another player about having cancer (a la Blake)? I'd like an answer to those questions, if you think that they are both ok then wow, if however you think that they are inappropriate then "obviously you have never touched the ice in your life." I've got an idea how about you actually defend you position instead of throwing out that pansy answer.

[zettie85 106]

A few years ago, maybe 2003? There was a series on ESPN called "The Season" In one of the installments they followed the Detroit Red Wings. You guys should watch it if you can ever find it. The way the Wings gave it to Forsberg was unbelievable, I almost felt sorry for the guy.

"Say Hi to Kelly" "Kelly is a great gal" ??? You guys are taking offense to that? That almost sounds like a complement.

Every team talks trash, and nothing is off limits, its a part of the game. Oh how I'm sick of this political correctness...

Do you have any where to find this show "The Season"? Im really interested now.

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

We probably can't even imagine what kind of stuff Avery says on the ice. Hopefully, the league will have him mic'd for a game, and then show the game on Cinemax or something.

[martyrme19 73]

there are other ways of getting to someone..... leave a personal life out of it!!!! They dont come over and play XBOX 360 after the game,they are not part of his everyday life like buddies or friends

so they should either keep their mouths shut ...or stop showing that they are envious of his wife!!!! makes them look 10 yrs old

And thats all im gonna say about it YOUR WRONG period

Your arrogance about this subject really bothers me.

He is NOT wrong. period.

And look, its why some are accusing other of never playing the game of hockey before. Because if you DID play...ever.....you would know the place that trash talking has in a game. If you were to step on the ice for your very first hockey game and someone said something along these lines to you....and you started to piss and moan about it...guess what? Your parents are signing you up for piano lessons tomorrow.

Yes you need to get over it. People want to say that a person isnt being a "man" because of these comments? How about being a man for knowing a time and place and being able to subside comments like these to concentrate on your game. Do you think any of these players go into the locker room at intermission and say to their coach, "coach....i dont know, just cant go back out there. those guys keep bringing up my wife. i just need to sit in here for the third and get my emotions out."

come on really? do you think any of these guys think about it more than 2 minutes?? hell no. I recall times where i know a player im playing against (happens regularly, just as in the nhl) and ive hooked up with a girl who that player used to date. Oh you better believe thats fair game. Thats what your signing up for. And these players have signed up even more for it when they put their names on a contract for millions of dollars.

And guess what??? Their WIVES signed up for it when they decided to marry a public figure. You KNOW what your getting into. and if you cant stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

go boohoo to someone who gives a damn.....because i guarantee nobody in the game will give a rats ass if this bothers you. Not your coach, not your teammates, not even your damn GM.

Its the same in politics......politicians trash talk each other day and night but at the end of it all, they know that it is their JOB and it doesnt get in the way of their personal lives. I know for a FACT Bush senior and Clinton would share a glass of whiskey together even after ripping each other apart on the news.

If you disagree with any of this, you're simply and sadly naive.....and you must have a really hard time in life having to get offended ALL the time. I would never want to be your friend if i had to listen to you ***** and whine about all of this. I could see it now....."hey guys, should we invite Bill over for a poker game?"

"Nah, bills a *****. just tell him we decided to cancel."

"God I sure would love to give Bill's wife a good bone though!"

i mean.....this kind of trash talk happens in your everyday life, just as in the example i used. We know we all do it....one way or another. and all of a sudden your holier than thou because men above 30 should act like "MEN"???? PLEASE!

All is fair in love and war.

And guess what? PLAYOFF HOCKEY IS WAR.

[OsGOD 3]

YOUR MOM!

now thems fighting words... talking about his wife and or male live in friend... part of the on ice festivities

[Johnny Law 15]

Not even worth posting about other than that its funny.

Anyone who has spent 10 seconds playing hockey knows this stuff goes on at all levels and for the most part is laughed off. Every team and every player has said something at some time. Mr Selke himself Datsyuk included.

I too would pay extra to hear the players miked up, some of the stuff these guys come up with is super hilarious.

[Vladifan 680]

What makes you so certain the Wings don't engage in this kind of trash talk? I'm sure Maltby's had some good ones.

My favorite players are Lidstrom, Yzerman, Konstantinov, plus the Russian Five. I cannot imagine one of them resorting to this kind of attack because they never had to. They just played their game to the best of their ability. And if they ever did/do it, I would guess they felt like crap afterwards. They are/were sheer class on every level. They just played their damn game.

I know it goes on all the time. That means absolutely nada to me because again, on so many levels it's still ugly and wrong. I still say that once a player resorts to an attack like that he's already lost the argument. It's like finally saying to an opponent, "Yeah, well so's your mother". I still say that mostly, it shows the attacker's insecurities and fears. Why else resort to it? Why else even go there?

And yeah, I also love(d) watching Mac and Chelios play. But ultimately Mac proved his prowess on the ice and I believe, was a major part of the shift in '97. And I still remember a moment between Chelios and Forsberg. Can't remember whether it was during a playoff game or not. But it happened to the (stage) right side of somebody's net. There was Forsberg trying to take Cheli's head off. And there was Cheli with his stick up between Forsberg's legs, almost lifting him off the ice. Not one word was spoken. They were just doing it the right way. NOT taking any s*** from each other and showing it on the ice. Not yapping about it. That was real power. That is playing the game.

Peace out.

[Rivalred 630]

Real men actually follow through with their promises, just ask Shanny.

[esteef 2,679]

My favorite players are Lidstrom, Yzerman, Konstantinov, plus the Russian Five. I cannot imagine one of them resorting to this kind of attack because they never had to. They just played their game to the best of their ability. And if they ever did/do it, I would guess they felt like crap afterwards. They are/were sheer class on every level. They just played their damn game.

I know it goes on all the time. That means absolutely nada to me because again, on so many levels it's still ugly and wrong. I still say that once a player resorts to an attack like that he's already lost the argument. It's like finally saying to an opponent, "Yeah, well so's your mother". I still say that mostly, it shows the attacker's insecurities and fears. Why else resort to it? Why else even go there?

And yeah, I also love(d) watching Mac and Chelios play. But ultimately Mac proved his prowess on the ice and I believe, was a major part of the shift in '97. And I still remember a moment between Chelios and Forsberg. Can't remember whether it was during a playoff game or not. But it happened to the (stage) right side of somebody's net. There was Forsberg trying to take Cheli's head off. And there was Cheli with his stick up between Forsberg's legs, almost lifting him off the ice. Not one word was spoken. They were just doing it the right way. NOT taking any s*** from each other and showing it on the ice. Not yapping about it. That was real power. That is playing the game.

Peace out.

Vladdy and Yzerman DID do it, and not as a last resort either. I'm quite certain neither of them were "insecure".

Peace out.

esteef

[spydrwebb 0]

very few hockey players don't talk trash... some more colorful than others but it's part of the game. like it or not, build a bridge and get over it.

there was some value to this thread but not before the additional videos were posted to support the fact that this type of communication is commonplace.

those videos saved this thread from being completely pointless.

[NvrFrgtRussian5 85]

I didn't even waste my time reading through all the posts. This is downright stupid. It's hockey. It's part of the game. It doesn't matter if it's someones personel life or not. It's trash talk, trying to get under one anothers skin, trying take their mind away from the game. ITS HOCKEY. Plain and simple.

Lets just take all trash talking, fighting, checking, hitting everything that is not family friendly and MEAN out of the game. That'll be fun. Maybe we can cover the sticks in pink feathers! Change the game to be more figure skating related! YEAH! So much better!

Do you honestly think this stuff only happens in hockey? Its sports. Its a competition. You mean to tell me that you've never talked trash to someone your competing with? I ran a race last weekend and theres trash talking there among racers. Its human nature, settle down.

[ManLuv4Clears 7]

My favorite players are Lidstrom, Yzerman, Konstantinov, plus the Russian Five. I cannot imagine one of them resorting to this kind of attack because they never had to. They just played their game to the best of their ability. And if they ever did/do it, I would guess they felt like crap afterwards. They are/were sheer class on every level. They just played their damn game.

I know it goes on all the time. That means absolutely nada to me because again, on so many levels it's still ugly and wrong. I still say that once a player resorts to an attack like that he's already lost the argument. It's like finally saying to an opponent, "Yeah, well so's your mother". I still say that mostly, it shows the attacker's insecurities and fears. Why else resort to it? Why else even go there?

And yeah, I also love(d) watching Mac and Chelios play. But ultimately Mac proved his prowess on the ice and I believe, was a major part of the shift in '97. And I still remember a moment between Chelios and Forsberg. Can't remember whether it was during a playoff game or not. But it happened to the (stage) right side of somebody's net. There was Forsberg trying to take Cheli's head off. And there was Cheli with his stick up between Forsberg's legs, almost lifting him off the ice. Not one word was spoken. They were just doing it the right way. NOT taking any s*** from each other and showing it on the ice. Not yapping about it. That was real power. That is playing the game.

Peace out.

Let me get this straight. Creative stick-work to ones' johnson is more appropriate than asking how an opposing player's wife is doing while leaving the ice?